Post AhaR2umfFgj7HZBHaC by mlohbihler@techhub.social
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(DIR) Post #AhaKLCuHuWMh1UWR8a by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-05T15:20:28Z
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"Joe Biden fascist marxist prosecutors"Like... how do you even unpack a phrase like that?The prosecutors aren't--Biden's not--Marxism isn't--Fascism doesn't--It's New York State not--Those aren't even--This is beyond a Gish Gallop (lies so thick you can't sound sane as you counter them all)It's like information anti-matter and it's not even the whole sentence.What do we call something that is "beyond untrue" ?
(DIR) Post #AhaKZKRsfQ96T3y7Tk by zalasur@mastodon.surazal.net
2024-05-05T15:22:55Z
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@futurebird A deliberate tactic to fluster their opponents and tie them up in countering their "arguments" as they hop from untruth to untruth unbothered by their own self-contradictions.
(DIR) Post #AhaKc6Tx3E0A1IGCaO by CatDad@mas.to
2024-05-05T15:23:02Z
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@futurebird Immediately discarded due to nonsensical word salad. It's on them to explain what they mean, otherwise ignore it and anyone parroting it.
(DIR) Post #AhaKdhuHOOsyNcL7rs by Stegosaurus@sciences.social
2024-05-05T15:23:12Z
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@futurebird Unfortunately, it comes under"Legal Discourse"Anything goes.No constraints.Truth and Fact are only subjective concepts that exist within that court and are determined by that judge.That's one of the things that has to change if society is to improve.
(DIR) Post #AhaKhg42BYrDp6nOE4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-05T15:23:16Z
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@AMS So wrong that any correct information in proximity becomes suspect and corrupted.
(DIR) Post #AhaKvGWrv8DwgMlJ4K by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-05T15:27:00Z
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@Stegosaurus Biden is doing many irritating things but one thing he cannot do is make NY and GA and AZ and FL prosecute anyone. Likewise Biden has little influence over the justice department and has frankly been too hands-off on fear of an "appearance of impropriety" forgetting that no one cares about the appearance in the muddy scrum of lies and hysterics that passes for political discourse at the moment. Like I get that this is the whole ruse but it's so damn annoying.
(DIR) Post #AhaLAATGj6MwEmBTk0 by funkula@goblin.camp
2024-05-05T15:29:43Z
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@futurebird "these words are all synonyms for bad and contain no information other than bad. I don't need to worry about understanding my enemies because they're just bad for no reason."
(DIR) Post #AhaLC3WrVXlLHnlV5M by Stegosaurus@sciences.social
2024-05-05T15:29:47Z
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@futurebird Agreed!Thanks for being a fighter.
(DIR) Post #AhaLGPJ2U18Pz7NH1c by glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
2024-05-05T15:30:31Z
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@futurebird @AMS That's the reality distortion field. It was always very strong in the vicinity of blond blob.
(DIR) Post #AhaLWZYG9sgGOUCZrU by Osteopenia_Powers@newsie.social
2024-05-05T15:30:43Z
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@AMS @futurebird “ What do we call something that is "beyond untrue" ?”Trumpian
(DIR) Post #AhaLWaAtqDaaKKHR5c by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-05T15:33:43Z
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@Osteopenia_Powers @AMS p = falsenormally ~p would be true but p is SO EXTREMELY false that ~p is somehow ALSO false. You can't just say "that's not true" it's so intrinsically broken that it can be fixed by even negation.
(DIR) Post #AhaLguulaOYTXuf6R6 by thedansimonson@lingo.lol
2024-05-05T15:35:40Z
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@futurebird I'd probably put this under "presupposition failure." it's like saying "The King of France is bald." It's not even false because there's no King of France. ditto for whatever that noun phrase is.
(DIR) Post #AhaLmdyFUnH8jW1OeO by doctormo@floss.social
2024-05-05T15:36:40Z
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@futurebird It's funny that R's use an elephant mascot and their fumbling idiot ivory tower Trump is named for the sound they make¹¹ When the attack is a big pile of shit, best not to even try and touch it.
(DIR) Post #AhaMBr51tOPGdADNia by cindyweinstein@mastodon.world
2024-05-05T15:41:11Z
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@futurebird. I will follow the lead of #JohnGartner, brave #psychologist and former professor at #JohnsHopkins, and piggyback on your excellent observation that his words are "anti-matter," and call this verbal drivel/poison "probable dementia." Actually, because I'm not a medical doctor and can't violate the #Goldwater rule and also have had a lot, too much, experience with people with dementia, I'll call it "dementia." https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/03/19/trump-dementia/
(DIR) Post #AhaMZXYu70Yz2vTy5o by barrygoldman1@sauropods.win
2024-05-05T15:45:30Z
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@futurebird true and false are only MINOR categories of human experience. don't sweat it. we most certainly are NOT primarily rational beings. rationality is a boutique addiction only some of us subscribe to.
(DIR) Post #AhaMiIVpR3kCydDgBc by Legit_Spaghetti@mastodo.neoliber.al
2024-05-05T15:46:30Z
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@futurebird I think Feynman came up with calling batshit crazy stuff "not even wrong," meaning a statement was so far removed from anything making sense that it didn't even meet the bar of being factually incorrect.
(DIR) Post #AhaN0UWBXMGdQO3tLc by thecorodon@wandering.shop
2024-05-05T15:50:24Z
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@futurebird Massively untrue but founded on a series of falsehoods that the audience takes for granted. Honestly, this phrase makes perfect sense to me, it's just founded on 3 conservative axioms:1. The Nazis were actually socialists, because they had "socialism" in their name.2. The terms "socialist," "communist," and "Marxist" are interchangeable, or at most only differences of degree.3. Biden is corrupt. Corrupt enough to tie him to anything you want to.
(DIR) Post #AhaN9hpPQ5vHJMRo5Q by brewcitychaser@mastodon.social
2024-05-05T15:51:03Z
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@futurebird Thank you for introducing me to the Gish Gallop. I have been seeking a way to describe this phenomenon for years and have been at a loss.
(DIR) Post #AhaNF7zzXs27vTz0EK by zenkat@sfba.social
2024-05-05T15:52:57Z
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@futurebird Steve Bannon calls it "Flooding the zone with shit."
(DIR) Post #AhaO1XgdLGHhUm0vq4 by SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe
2024-05-05T16:01:45Z
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@futurebird fractal nonsense
(DIR) Post #AhaOBQv1MN1jOuSZs0 by gpk@pgh.social
2024-05-05T16:03:35Z
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@futurebird @Osteopenia_Powers @AMS "Not even wrong" comes to mind.
(DIR) Post #AhaPo6qvzwe4PoYS6i by RodneyPetersonTalent@mastodon.social
2024-05-05T16:21:38Z
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@futurebird Which dipshit said that?
(DIR) Post #AhaQ0aAUpUb0oKeUPw by Kierkegaanks@beige.party
2024-05-05T16:24:00Z
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@futurebird hurr durr is a powerful argument for dolts
(DIR) Post #AhaQ96FjQMVodTA7sm by peteriskrisjanis@toot.lv
2024-05-05T16:25:31Z
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@futurebird I don't unpack, I know it is aimed as trigger emotions, not deal with reality. So trying to nitpick is not worth in my humble opinion.How to treat this I don't know. I feel best way is just point out what happens in reality and leave at that.
(DIR) Post #AhaQNfvnZLhzLQmyJs by koteisaev@mastodon.online
2024-05-05T16:28:08Z
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@futurebird Fascism and Marxism are both far-right for me. Maxism ended up being even more far-far-far-right than Fascists and Nazi or MAGA.I just applied the criteria of right and far-right to Marxism and Nazi (who called self as national-socialists for a reason!). And viola, it worked. It even allowed to understand things like pro-putin alliance of die Linke in Germany.But putting Biden into same chamber as these mentioned above? "Niet, Molotoff!"
(DIR) Post #AhaQT1CZuenylKBXvc by jztusk@mastodon.social
2024-05-05T16:29:00Z
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@futurebird It's a "thought stopping cliché". Cult researchers see them a lot. We need to understand that they are not using language in the same way and towards the same ends as we are. The fascist only picks up a book to use it to smash your head in.
(DIR) Post #AhaQxhRvOzDSThzeue by rrb@allthingstech.social
2024-05-05T16:34:38Z
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@futurebird foxy?
(DIR) Post #AhaR2umfFgj7HZBHaC by mlohbihler@techhub.social
2024-05-05T16:35:40Z
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@futurebird @Osteopenia_Powers @AMS these things always start with a kernel of truth that gets extrapolated in wildly disingenuous ways. But when you try to expose the absurdity, they claim you're denying the tiny truth seed, and oh what an idiot you must be. Works every time.
(DIR) Post #AhaRBlo4013I2t3eU4 by KanaMauna@sauropods.win
2024-05-05T16:37:15Z
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@futurebird MAGA beliefs
(DIR) Post #AhacrCl3nWW90Fc5Sa by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-05T18:47:59Z
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@drwho But bullshit is excellent fertilizer. Seems like an unfair association.
(DIR) Post #AhaoV35iG1566JTW40 by stormcauldron@mas.to
2024-05-05T20:58:25Z
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@futurebird @Osteopenia_Powers @AMS see for stuff like this I’ve always liked “fractally wrong” because it’s wrong at every level of examination. You could zoom in infinitely just to discover new interesting patterns of wrongness going all the way down.
(DIR) Post #AhayzIbu7YIaShayrg by mcpinson@mas.to
2024-05-05T22:55:57Z
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@futurebird I call it not worth your time.Those who know it's BS aren't going to be fooled.Those who don't know it's BS are so deep in the cult that no amount of fact-checking will convince them it's BS.
(DIR) Post #AhbKXkk28OlOamfTO4 by solargroovy@mastodon.social
2024-05-06T02:57:31Z
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@futurebirdLike trying to fact check the teacher in a Charlie Brown special