Post AhWT9ffNHPcnhPHTNI by jlperuyero@masto.nobigtech.es
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(DIR) Post #AhS7ZkRov42da5eDUu by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-01T16:19:54Z
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#Communism #AntiCommunism
(DIR) Post #AhS7os9UYaivosHp9k by TheTsar@mastodon.social
2024-05-01T16:22:38Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I would be guilty of being this fella in the meme. What can I read to challenge that viewpoint?
(DIR) Post #AhS87mB6zYOwnI3fOa by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-01T16:25:40Z
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@TheTsar The two books I recommend are "The Conquest of Bread" by Peter Kropotkin and "What Is Communist Anarchism" by Alexander Berkman, particularly the last one which goes into in-depth criticism of authoritarian regimes like the Soviet Union.
(DIR) Post #AhS8MtuCXoDZ6TMPGS by TheTsar@mastodon.social
2024-05-01T16:28:46Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Just ordered both. I am a happy capitalist, but hope to learn and will stay open minded here. Appreciate the recommendations!
(DIR) Post #AhS8hFDd0m1Ozt9E7E by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-01T16:32:28Z
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@TheTsar You can actually read them for free on The Anarchist Library website.
(DIR) Post #AhS8rfWQ4WtXTEuM5o by TheTsar@mastodon.social
2024-05-01T16:34:21Z
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@Radical_EgoCom D'oh...ah well, I like having physical copy so won't fuss with a cancellation. If I go deeper down the rabbit hole that's def great to know though.
(DIR) Post #AhW9x8JvXF4lfsYadE by CatChucks@mastodon.social
2024-05-03T15:05:23Z
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@Radical_EgoCom This is also communism:https://www.thecollector.com/holodomor-great-famine-ukraine/
(DIR) Post #AhWAw3xYMa05oX94HA by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-03T15:16:24Z
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@CatChucks The Soviet Union wasn't communist, it was an authoritarian regime that distorted the principles of true communism, which advocates for voluntary cooperation and the absence of hierarchy, in stark contrast to the oppressive centralized control seen in the Soviet system.
(DIR) Post #AhWB49en43GtniEAj2 by CatChucks@mastodon.social
2024-05-03T15:17:52Z
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@Radical_EgoCom All communists say that! Pas discussion.
(DIR) Post #AhWBcLC2g9wVQT59FI by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-03T15:24:03Z
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@CatChucks Yeah, those authoritarian countries tried to achieve communism and failed. One method, the authoritarian method, out of various potential methods to achieve communism failed. It's not logical to assume that communism can't be achieved just because one singular method failed.
(DIR) Post #AhWC1o9q7vOYUtCBX6 by CatChucks@mastodon.social
2024-05-03T15:28:38Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I'm not with your 'one singular'.China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Albania, Yugoslavia, Angola, etc...
(DIR) Post #AhWCGzj9OTlYitxAiO by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-03T15:31:23Z
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@CatChucks All of those countries used authoritarianism of some kind to try to create communism. That's what I meant by 'one singular method'. There is also the Libertarian method of achieving communism which hasn't been fully tried, nor has it had the popularity of authoritarian communism.
(DIR) Post #AhWSAHMJ2Yuge75VFQ by jlperuyero@masto.nobigtech.es
2024-05-03T18:29:25Z
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@Radical_EgoCom The importance of the systematic economic blockades that have been imposed on all communist countries in international trade cannot be forgotten. In the short or long term, depending on the economic power of each country, the international trade blockade leads any country to bankruptcy and poverty, since the current economy is too complex to be addressed without its global aspect.
(DIR) Post #AhWT9fDiwDVUJeLOHA by jlperuyero@masto.nobigtech.es
2024-05-03T18:30:01Z
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@Radical_EgoCom A personal opinion: there has only been, in the history of Humanity, one form of government. The autocratic. It has gone through enormous appearance changes and refinements, but at its core it is always the same. From Mussolini's fascism to the decentralized democracy of Switzerland, it has always... I repeat: it has always been the government of the powerful, delegating one or another functions to different actors.
(DIR) Post #AhWT9ffNHPcnhPHTNI by jlperuyero@masto.nobigtech.es
2024-05-03T18:30:50Z
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@Radical_EgoCom The fact that a utopia has never been implemented should not discourage us from trying to achieve it, because the closer we get, the closer we will be to knowing how to perfect the management of public affairs, and the greater justice will have been achieved.
(DIR) Post #AhWjJe1dplF2lxTQmG by Bugspriet@social.tchncs.de
2024-05-03T21:41:31Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @CatChucks The situation in most of these countries was also more complex. Communism as the root of all evil would be too easy.
(DIR) Post #AhXUpxiaqcVixdTaJk by CatChucks@mastodon.social
2024-05-04T06:34:06Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Unfortunately, all of these methods to reach communism goes to dictatorship...If you do not like the world's practice like in the mentioned countries, try to read, for instance, 'This Island Now' by Peter Abrahams... pretty honest literature...
(DIR) Post #AhXsBLhfAIW2NNCxcm by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-04T10:55:41Z
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@CatChucks I don't agree that the Libertarian Communist method leads to dictatorship.
(DIR) Post #AhXvDx65PEpOnDZ4aW by CatChucks@mastodon.social
2024-05-04T11:29:46Z
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@Radical_EgoCom The history proves. I'm observing these whole my life in different continents. It was also described in the honest literature. I've mentioned one earlier, Peter Abrahams. His 'The Island Now', 1966, (read in early 7x) I remember well because I saw how all he predicted put into practice later. Reality isn't the same as dreams. Marks also thought of ruling the state as a factory, and it looked quite reasonable, but the practice makes perfect.And yes, the capitalism is awful.
(DIR) Post #AhXwGeTVCRpBrMMuS8 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-04T11:41:28Z
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@CatChucks You haven't proven in any way that Libertarian Communism specifically leads to dictatorship.
(DIR) Post #AhXxIovNQ3mOnm0LBY by CatChucks@mastodon.social
2024-05-04T11:53:04Z
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@Radical_EgoCom The discussion looks like 'god is evidence-proof, he doesn't want to be proven', or as any proving god existence. Credo vs Non Credo (in Deum)
(DIR) Post #AhXxaJRRD7WGN7LFei by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-04T11:56:11Z
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@CatChucks What does this have to do with anything we're talking about?
(DIR) Post #AhY0aa3JkdRHkhsYxk by CatChucks@mastodon.social
2024-05-04T12:29:51Z
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@Radical_EgoCom 'Dieses Ziel, was immer es sei, ist mir gar nichts, die Bewegung alles' We have reversed. :)
(DIR) Post #AhY0izRREtIooOAgOO by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-04T12:31:24Z
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@CatChucks Now you're just intentionally being confusing on purpose.
(DIR) Post #AhY1UsQMdHZSwpVFQ0 by CatChucks@mastodon.social
2024-05-04T12:40:04Z
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@Radical_EgoCom No, I'm following the Marx principle: 'practice is the criterion of truth'. (Not sure that Marx said that, btw).I'd like to say that theory and practice are differing. We still don't have a good real-life example of the idea being realised, but we do have a lot of bad ones.
(DIR) Post #AhY2BzJ0vIwQk5ccZE by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-04T12:47:51Z
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@CatChucks Yes, but the lack of good examples of communism succeeding isn't proof that it can't be achieved, especially when Libertarian Communism remains a method that hasn't been properly tried.
(DIR) Post #AhZkX8xGph5vtLJG0e by whynothugo@fosstodon.org
2024-05-05T08:39:23Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @CatChucks The USSR calling itself communist only helped consolidate capitalism. Stalin would use it as an excuse for his followers to obey. The west would use it as a fake example: whenever someone suggests communism, socialism or similar from of unity, others will simply point at the USSR and claim "this is what you're advocating?".
(DIR) Post #AhZkiPh8w0Wmzk8kPw by whynothugo@fosstodon.org
2024-05-05T08:41:26Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @CatChucks The USSR calling itself communist only helped consolidate capitalism. Stalin would use it as an excuse for his followers to obey. The west would use it as a fake example: whenever someone suggests communism, socialism or similar from of unity, others will simply point at the USSR and claim "this is what you're advocating?".
(DIR) Post #Ahb4X2FnwJq3LlAGGW by andytiedye@sfba.social
2024-05-05T23:58:12Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @TheTsar I read "What is Communist Anarchism" (thanks for the link). Looked like he was advocating for a gift economy, and I was eager to see how that was supposed to work. Much disappointment when at the end he calls for "temporary" rationing, putting us right back in the authoritarian thing again. We just replaced money with ration coupons.
(DIR) Post #Ahb5U8L8xHC5JLqGHI by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-06T00:08:53Z
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@andytiedye @TheTsar I haven't read the book in a while so I don't exactly remember what part of the book this is, but you are correct that such a proposal as implementing temporary rationing and ration coupons would be against the principles of a gift economy, and are in contradiction of the vision of a stateless, classless society where resources are freely shared according to need.
(DIR) Post #Ahb6D4mn12hVJsCgAC by andytiedye@sfba.social
2024-05-06T00:16:58Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @TheTsar It is near the end, and it was really disappointing, confirming my impression that he doesn't know how to make a gift economy work either.