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(DIR) Post #AhUcLBuPyXVz8pWqsi by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-02T21:13:47Z
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Biden fucked up."Recalling Civil Rights Era Abuses, [The NAACP Legal Defense Fund] Roundly Condemns Rising Violations Against Peaceful Protesters and Calls for Immediate Federal Intervention"https://www.naacpldf.org/press-release/recalling-civil-rights-era-abuses-ldf-roundly-condemns-rising-violations-against-peaceful-protesters-and-calls-for-immediate-federal-intervention/
(DIR) Post #AhUco7SnaBNxkgP7tw by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-02T21:18:56Z
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@sunguramy I'm team harm reduction and vocal pushes to not let "good enough" be the executioner of "better."
(DIR) Post #AhUcyDradvAsUqolSC by BruceMirken@mas.to
2024-05-02T21:20:18Z
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@Wolven Biden's statement earlier today was practically a textbook definition of "tone deaf." Someone needs to talk some sense into him, stat.
(DIR) Post #AhUmwk4Gw31tL7gNG4 by PattyHanson@mastodon.social
2024-05-02T23:12:37Z
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@Wolven The purpose of protest is to end the status quo by, in some cases, creating chaos.
(DIR) Post #AhUo0cyrKMw2THZESe by Simplicator@federate.social
2024-05-02T23:24:31Z
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@Wolven He’s not fucking up, from his perspective, he’s upholding white supremacist, oligarchical empire. No matter the human or planetary cost
(DIR) Post #AhV7ULbqNNJgPbgetk by tobie1@mastodon.social
2024-05-03T03:02:48Z
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@Wolven Tonight I learned that the protestors on my campus sent out a call for chains, locks, sandbags, zip ties, etc. Sandbags. WTF? Only fellow travellers are admitted into the encampment, and no effort is made to talk to anyone outside the echo chamber, even those politely asking for dialogue. No, I cannot imagine civil rights protestors refusing dialogue. They wanted to persuade people, not vanquish them, because they actually believed in the free exercise of mind.
(DIR) Post #AhV9gz59dv5ADZYB9c by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T03:27:21Z
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@tobie1 Then you're not contextualizing what's happening now both as a lineage of the protest movements past, but also a reaction to what's happened in the last 10 days.When students have been preemptively declared "outside agitators" as a pretext for siccing violent police action on them, even when all they are doing is *Existing On Their Own Campus*, that changes the tenor of the response.Also: You "heard" they're not engaging in dialogue? Did you yourself go and try to have a conversation? Or did you just "hear" how these students are responding?
(DIR) Post #AhVBTIGzh7APakghbE by Okanogen@mastodon.social
2024-05-03T03:47:25Z
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@Wolven Biden didn't respond to jack shit you fucking lying jackass, the different universities and local law enforcement did these actions, which varied from place to place, including whether outside professional agent provocateurs were involved.And it's ahistorical and insulting to compare people breaking windows and doors to occupy buildings with the Woolworth sit in protestors in Greenboro, NC. https://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/6-legacy/freedom-struggle-2.html
(DIR) Post #AhVBUhv3pNuVQD6Qd6 by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T03:47:43Z
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@Okanogen https://bsky.app/profile/matthewcort.land/post/3krkludg7lt2u
(DIR) Post #AhVBfvhIwQSRL61Goi by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T03:48:48Z
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@Okanogen Lying to yourself just makes you less equipped to deal with the realities of the situation and what needs to be done to fix it:https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/biden-campus-protests-19433708.php
(DIR) Post #AhVByR8Eo8Ws2mRTXc by Okanogen@mastodon.social
2024-05-03T03:52:43Z
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@Wolven I've been an activist longer than you have been alive. I've been actively working change for decades. Your juvenile pablum isn't improved by a "PhD".
(DIR) Post #AhVC3dPkZLrdaL70Xg by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T03:53:54Z
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@Okanogen Also, you missed like… a whole lot of other things of things. Including the fact that this letter drawing a lineage between the campus movements today and the work of the 1960's is from the NAACP. You know: The people who marched with and were themselves SNCC?Anyway. Bye.
(DIR) Post #AhVCC18MGSvXSyyScy by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T03:55:32Z
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@Okanogen You're a very unpleasant person, not to mention extremely willfully ignorant. You can get off my feed, now.
(DIR) Post #AhVCHzMJmBwPhQLpku by tobie1@mastodon.social
2024-05-03T03:56:34Z
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@Wolven I experienced the protests in the 60s and 70s, albeit as someone quite young but still able to understand the fear of the draft, the incomprehension about why Vietnam mattered to the US, anger about US military tactics & colonial aspirations, etc. I don't see the current protests in this vein. In my view they're a perversion of it. I never said anything about calling the police or indicate support for beating up protestors. I'm not sure why you attribute that to me.
(DIR) Post #AhVCSKVhzTK8CAfssy by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T03:58:30Z
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@tobie1 I never said you said anything about that. I said that's what's being done to students, and perhaps goes some way to explaining why they might have sandbags and fortifications.
(DIR) Post #AhVCTwmVBaAvBDIhwe by Okanogen@mastodon.social
2024-05-03T03:58:41Z
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@Wolven I grant I'm unpleasant, but not ignorant.I detest lying bullshit.
(DIR) Post #AhVDFOfpIgv7ISnuzY by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T04:07:05Z
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@Okanogen And yet you haven't acknowledged what Biden did actually say, what students have said about their changing sentiments as a result, and the fact that, again, the comparison between protests of the 1960's and today is being drawn by the NAACP itself. I mean, I don't really expect you to at this point, but I really hope this gets through: You can support Biden and still want him to be better than this. You can support him and acknowledge he's been getting this one wrong.Goodbye.
(DIR) Post #AhVDOnQkcmGmgXEbw0 by tobie1@mastodon.social
2024-05-03T04:08:06Z
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@Wolven The encampment is on the lawn in front of the library. I suspect the sandbags, chains and locks were for occupying a building. The members of the encampment called on the local community to join them. This and the prep.for occupying a building changed what had till then been a lax attitude toward the encampment.
(DIR) Post #AhVDZ002kO1WZ0bigi by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T04:10:52Z
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@tobie1 Your causation's backward. The police were called on students around the country who did NONE of those things. So now students are doing things like this to increase their numbers and keep each other safe.
(DIR) Post #AhVEMqcrsB6TyEXMCe by tobie1@mastodon.social
2024-05-03T04:19:50Z
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@Wolven They're not increasing their numbers in occupying buildings, or protecting themselves on my campus. As I said, the encampment was accepted as political expression. Things took a turn yesterday when a student was punched and plans were being hatched to occupy a building.I'd love if there were an effort to understand a protracted conflict and how peace can be achieved. That's not happening here.
(DIR) Post #AhVEnJdecvmnTsWeky by Okanogen@mastodon.social
2024-05-03T04:24:37Z
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@WolvenBullshit.You have your narrative and facts won't change it.For those not blinkered by attractive simplicity, Biden isn't responsible for violent cop crackdowns, the individual campus administrators and local law enforcement do. And he wasn't condoning it either.Sure "Bye".Final words of a coward who can't defend their opinion.
(DIR) Post #AhVHdnC0BtDC6jk4mm by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T04:56:34Z
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@Okanogen You still didn't actually respond to any of the facts. You know that right?
(DIR) Post #AhVI5nDRhJrqHvlk3M by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T05:01:38Z
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@Okanogen The president of the united states blame students for "chaos" the day after massive violent crackdowns from police, several of which were provoked by nothing more than students existing on their own campus in a stance of protest, but that's not condoning the violence?Also, you still didn't respond to any of the facts I presented you with. I mean, as long as we're talking about who can and can't defend their position.Anyway. Gonna mute you now, because you're a tedious sealion.
(DIR) Post #AhVNAKm7MnkrIcyI0u by notroot@notroot.online
2024-05-03T05:36:30.276Z
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@Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net https://www.12news.com/article/news/politics/police-remove-pro-palestinian-protesters-from-asu/75-7aef3345-782e-47ee-bf17-104ffe86784bTL;DR: 80% of Arizona State University "student" protesters... weren't students.Clean up your mess. Organize yourselves, children. This ain't organization. This is pathetic fucking weak sauce self-entitled so badly that you have to be self-entitled not to fucking SEE it.
(DIR) Post #AhVNAMkm0lrrR2MFCC by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T05:58:27Z
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@notroot That's assuming we take the cops and university admin at their word— which, why would you? I meant, that number was pretty much immediately disputed by student protest organizers on the ground:https://www.azfamily.com/2024/05/02/asu-students-speak-following-dozens-arrests-pro-palestinian-protest/And even if they were telling the truth: So? Selma to Montgomery marchers weren't just from Alabama, either: https://www.crmvet.org/tim/timhis65.htm Either way, it seems like you're looking for a reason to be angry at students who perhaps brought friends and family to protest with them, rather than recognizing and acknowledging the core of what they're protesting.Maybe rethink that. Have a good one.
(DIR) Post #AhW37pOlWlcuUlyMxE by GuerillaOntologist@social.coop
2024-05-03T13:48:36Z
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@Wolven Every peaceful anti-war protest is met with violence from the authorities. That's how the system works. Biden did not "fuck up," he is doing exactly what he is supposed to do and what his position calls for. If he was the type to take actions preventing the violent repression, he never would have been made President to begin with. This ain't a bug, it's a feature.
(DIR) Post #AhW5K7op4DJP0Z9Uiu by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T14:13:15Z
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@GuerillaOntologist you're misunderstanding. He's also trying to be president again, and he has alienated several major, intersecting constituencies.
(DIR) Post #AhW5vsUYV556Tcfre4 by GuerillaOntologist@social.coop
2024-05-03T14:19:54Z
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@Wolven Of course he has, but I highly doubt that he cares too much. It's win/win with a two party system like our own. If he loses the election, the Dems will be flooded with money to fight back against evil Trump. If he wins, the Dems get all the patronage jobs and associated kickbacks. They come out on top no matter what. It works the same for both parties, and means they can both act with impunity, since no one is realistically challenging their duopoly of political power.
(DIR) Post #AhW6fjRKUIlHiu1vpA by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T14:28:20Z
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Wrong side of history.
(DIR) Post #AhW75w9Rqh0Mg1A63k by RainofTerra@terra.incognita.net
2024-05-03T14:33:00Z
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@Wolven there’s always people who think the best way to change things is to be polite and not bother anyone. I don’t know why the million different examples of that not working throughout human history aren’t enough for people to think “maybe I should not say this?”Stonewall wouldn’t be something we remember if the bricks hadn’t been thrown. 🤷🏻♀️
(DIR) Post #AhW7dTfaFX12BjBcHo by spacemanspiff@noauthority.social
2024-05-03T14:38:59Z
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@Wolven and the evidence is all of the organic, unforced harmony we see now?
(DIR) Post #AhWGCBd86y2A0Z6GgK by fenris23@eldritch.cafe
2024-05-03T16:14:55Z
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@WolvenHe was on the other side of history back then too.
(DIR) Post #AhWGoIuBVkjHZkFkpc by fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe
2024-05-03T16:21:52Z
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@Wolven Also, aren't there more than one university in big American cities? I know that the encampment in Montreal at McGill has students from various local universities standing (or camping) alongside McGill students and faculty.
(DIR) Post #AhWTYyhldEoLzBT2R6 by tob@hachyderm.io
2024-05-03T18:44:41Z
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@Wolven Police crack-downs on campus protesters are requested by college administrators who are desperate to clear their campuses before graduation ceremonies begin.Since Biden isn't a college administrator, a police chief or a state governor he really doesn't have much to do with this at all.Having said that, I'm not really sure why anyone would think Biden was going to come out publicly on the side of the college students chanting "F*ck Joe Biden."
(DIR) Post #AhWU3dJjCW7gd7qBOK by tob@hachyderm.io
2024-05-03T18:50:21Z
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@Wolven @GuerillaOntologist I think the misunderstanding is because you're juxtaposing two different things.1) How history will view these protests.2) The politics of the moment.On #1, you're possibly right. On #2 you're demonstrably wrong.For every young activist pissed off that Biden said the word "chaos" there are 5 suburban white voters who are more interested in voting for Biden in November because he stood up to those campus radicals.
(DIR) Post #AhWU76DoBu8Z91izVw by platypus@glammr.us
2024-05-03T18:50:56Z
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@Wolven @tobie1 I am reminded of this statement from Portland in 2020. If students are stepping it up, it is certainly not unrelated to what the police have done. Just like the demonstrators in Portland did not start off with gas masks or vests or helmets… although bike locks and sandbags don’t particularly sound outside student protests of the last 4 decades. Schools try to wait people out and ignore them at end of semester, eg our local police murder case timelines.https://kolektiva.social/@Voline/112356643972664854
(DIR) Post #AhWW6pMv3AOmmfz5DU by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T19:13:23Z
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@tob The President of the United States in live public statements to the press blaming students for "chaos" and saying he believes in “rule of law” the day after massive violent crackdowns from police, several of which were provoked by nothing more than students existing on their own campus in a stance of protest, which was then followed by yet more crackdowns on student protest doesn't have much to do with this?I disagree.
(DIR) Post #AhWWLaR8qgSAojzsKe by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T19:16:01Z
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@tob And yet, again, the NAACP, which represents the median voice of a major constituency that Biden absolutely does need to win, wrote the above letter. Black communities are seeing this moment for what it is, and they are asking him to stop this and change direction. @GuerillaOntologist
(DIR) Post #AhWXdXRYof9QhVJhgm by tob@hachyderm.io
2024-05-03T19:30:24Z
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@Wolven @GuerillaOntologist For the record, that statement is not from the NAACP. "Please note that LDF has been completely separate from the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) since 1957"Second, it is not well established that *any* community is "seeing this moment for what it is."I think that's what's driving a lot of the anger at Biden. His statement demonstrates that politically, the fate of the protests is on the fringe.
(DIR) Post #AhWYVX4GQfq5AmANCC by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-03T19:40:14Z
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@tob Good point. A separate, long-established Civil Rights organization which has been precedentially cited as having lent weight and esteem to one of the most well known Civil Rights organizations in the country (https://casetext.com/case/naacp-v-naacp-legal-defense-educ) is the one which wrote this letter. My bad. I stand by the rest.@GuerillaOntologist
(DIR) Post #AhWaZpNQUxIL1YIzM8 by Aviva_Gary@noc.social
2024-05-03T20:03:08Z
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@Wolven thank you for the knowledge 🙏
(DIR) Post #AhWnzlb0Te5iENM9ce by jason@logoff.website
2024-05-03T22:33:49Z
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@Wolven the guy who as recently as a half year ago was wistfully reminiscing about how they used to work across the aisle with Robert Byrd?Yeah.
(DIR) Post #AhleDfWHmR1xGmXNQW by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-11T02:24:50Z
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@NovaNaturalist A different, worse wrong one. There can be multiple wrong sides.And for the record:https://ourislandgeorgia.net/@Wolven/112373578911001630