Post AhSZRobCOmFyr82XsO by Gilou@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AhRcwHy9s1onL22eFE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-01T10:36:24Z
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I think most people are writing the rabbit r1 by Teenage Engineering as "another AI no one asked for" that might be true... HOWEVER LAM "Large Action Model" sounds interesting. An assistant to be able to use apps, not use APIs... literally *use* the apps by clicking buttons & such. But, the reason it sounds interesting is that fleeting hope it might, at long last, help me to avoid the little UI bugs/failings that drive me nuts in many apps.Which begs the question: why not just fix the UIs? 1/
(DIR) Post #AhRdISKK2fxDpeykYC by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-01T10:40:31Z
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And really "just fix your UI" ... and lets go beyond "fix" ... because what I really mean is the difference between programs that manage to simply work-- and those rare programs designed thoughtfully, that really save you time, that really make life better. I don't think throwing AI at poor UI will ever be a real solution. But I guess we need to watch as AI is thrown at every long standing problem for the next two years. Thinking about LAM I also had to wonder, again, why is it a gadget? 2/
(DIR) Post #AhRdMULiSrcBGNYOQq by mattmcirvin@mathstodon.xyz
2024-05-01T10:41:15Z
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@futurebird Sufficiently broken UI design might trip up the AIs too
(DIR) Post #AhRdf2irP7RD5BE7AO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-01T10:44:30Z
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Why is this another little object I need to have? This will sound hypocritical since I often complain about how everything can't just be another app on the phone. Purpose-built devices have a place, they are a kind of material language, their buttons, their form factors help us to interact with the dataspace. There is a reason keyboards just won't die. There is a reason mechanical keyboards are resurgent in the age of the "universal, single button touch screen rectangle device" 3/
(DIR) Post #AhRe24Tf2tlxBZ68jQ by mattmcirvin@mathstodon.xyz
2024-05-01T10:48:46Z
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@futurebird ...but my reaction to this was that it seems like a lot of excessive computing power thrown at something that shouldn't be that hard a problem, for a variety of reasons--there are so much more efficient ways to do this. You could have real reliable API support for the third-party service, you could have a simple bot that is not some monster AI system... this is just terrible overkill for what sounds like not great results.
(DIR) Post #AhRe8EWiazCC5fSyX2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-01T10:49:52Z
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So, after reading a few reviews of the $200 little oddity, I still have the same takeaway... I wish it were a music player, oooh made of heavy metal & make that wheel more like a fidget toy. There is something to be said for a device that's fun to hold. That does something simple, that isn't in my personal business. The LAM idea seems like it *could* just be another app. But any device with buttons and knobs gets me a little excited. There must be a better excuse to have them. 4/4
(DIR) Post #AhReKP8Mz3KKSmsgts by hazelnot@sunbeam.city
2024-05-01T10:52:04Z
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@futurebird funnily enough it's literally just a cheap Android device running an app
(DIR) Post #AhReM0DQbJCHl90d1s by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-01T10:52:06Z
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@mattmcirvin The same issue that leads to UI problems leads to badly designed inconsistent APIs. Personally I think there should be some minimal API threshold all apps need to meet... as part of privacy regulations I dream about that would make silicone valley VC types cry and thrash on the ground. I should always be able to ask any app "what are you doing?" or "stop" or "who are you sending that data to?" etc.
(DIR) Post #AhRfWbwPIEajc3fbX6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-01T11:05:30Z
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@mattmcirvin Consistent, effective APIs aren't just for interoperability, they are also *key* to real accessibility. Accessibility is the difference between apps that are fun toys for some people some of the time... and apps that can really be integrated into people's lives. These companies want us integrate, but they don't want to wipe their feet before coming in the house.They won't treat our data with circumspection, won't play nice with other apps, won't explain what they are doing.
(DIR) Post #AhRfczzcmWSfwiDlWi by ryanprior@mastodon.social
2024-05-01T11:05:52Z
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@futurebird @mattmcirvin that would be a huge, expensive rearchitrcture of the cloud and Internet infrastructure, but would ultimately be good for security too. Much easier to say "sorry Mx Hacker, I can't send that data to your server" when you have a clearly defined authorization of which data can go to which servers and enforce that at multiple layers.
(DIR) Post #AhRfugbnagDn2UVjBw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-01T11:09:50Z
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@ryanprior @mattmcirvin In a way the practical need for some security with things like payments and logins has forced "the industry" to self adopt a few notions of standards around logins and authentication. They had to because otherwise they don't get paid. But there could be more to that. And apps that can't meet the threshold are probably not apps that we want floating around and using people's data.
(DIR) Post #AhRgXkGbvINng9E0QK by john@sauropods.win
2024-05-01T11:16:53Z
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@mattmcirvin @futurebird Yeah, but we live in a world where those APIs don't exist, because the companies that make the software either don't care, or actively don't want to make their software available that way. It's an adversarial situation. I wonder what the near-future AIs will bring us in efficiency. The locally-runnable ones don't seem to bad to me, and Apple in particular seems to be interested in squeezing these things onto phones. I think this is a legit area for AI.
(DIR) Post #AhRgu4K02bRUFRSFqy by TrillionB@mstdn.social
2024-05-01T11:20:33Z
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@futurebird Yep. "Screen scraping" as an integration method has been around for decades.It can* work. But it is horrifying complex at scale.I'm here with popcorn to watch a bunch of plucky VCs light a few more billion dollars on fire with "AI", just to learn why "IT" and "systems integrators" exist. *can: Yep, system B can now retrieve information from exactly one inquiry screen in system A. Until system A has any patch or update, which inevitably breaks the screen scrape.
(DIR) Post #AhRgwi2dKmzs14ahYO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-01T11:21:15Z
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@u0421793 I think you were making the understandable mistake of assuming that higher productivity would leave people with less to do. Because, like a sane person, you have some concept of "enough" ... this misses the incredible opportunity for accumulating more and more wealth higher productivity represents: provided everyone keeps on working just as hard, or harder than before.
(DIR) Post #AhRhYsbAX2SRlKwgro by Cefr@beige.party
2024-05-01T11:28:18Z
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@futurebird It's worse than that. There is no actual Rabbit OS. https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/30/24145838/rabbit-r1-android-app-pixel-6a
(DIR) Post #AhRhqgfFdphVxhLXVI by fl0_id@mastodon.social
2024-05-01T11:31:31Z
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@futurebird supposedly the model are actually playwright scripts.
(DIR) Post #AhRijRvG9WkuATwlIe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-01T11:41:26Z
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@Cefr @hazelnot Did these little sneaks just make a different app for the affordable music player they had in the works and try to hop on the bandwagon? I want to see the PCB bet it has room…a gap even… for the headphone jack they quietly removed LOL
(DIR) Post #AhRkALRkREHbr8X1Ye by Cefr@beige.party
2024-05-01T11:57:28Z
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@futurebird @hazelnot That was my thinking, Teenage Engineering probably had this slated as a music toy of some sort that never made it to production. They just shed some buttons and knobs for Rabbit R1.
(DIR) Post #AhRkYvd7Youl1jZcrw by ReverendMoose@mas.to
2024-05-01T12:01:48Z
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@futurebird there actually is a music player project (Tangara) that's very prominent on here that I'm excited about, so I know what you mean.
(DIR) Post #AhRoYXcDFK4sMbDfqS by drexer@ciberlandia.pt
2024-05-01T12:46:34Z
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@futurebird regarding all their LAM talk and how it is a lie at the end: https://web.archive.org/web/20240423183114/https://github.com/rabbitscam/rabbitr1But on good news regarding devices with physical interfaces, specifically for music players: https://cooltech.zone/tangara/
(DIR) Post #AhSZRobCOmFyr82XsO by Gilou@mastodon.social
2024-05-01T21:32:03Z
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@futurebird well, some try to do that, but it's still.. Very expensive.. https://www.crowdsupply.com/cool-tech-zone/tangara
(DIR) Post #AhTjijvaDFYtzVF9oe by john@sauropods.win
2024-05-02T11:01:58Z
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@Cefr @futurebird @hazelnot What else was it going to be? OSs are millions of hours of work / billions of dollars worth. I don't get why people this is in a reveal?
(DIR) Post #AhTkkBNDktabM9QGQq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-02T11:13:17Z
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@john @Cefr @hazelnot I think there was some slim hope that the architecture and hardware mattered— but of course they don’t especially at this price.
(DIR) Post #AhTky1AoTZTNm8DTDE by hazelnot@sunbeam.city
2024-05-02T11:15:46Z
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@john @Cefr @futurebird well they're lying about it and keep claiming it's not just an Android app and that the "real OS" runs in the cloud so...But yeah, of course anything "AI"-related is gonna be a scam, so it's to be expected
(DIR) Post #AhTlZnm0kGnrDhdFLM by john@sauropods.win
2024-05-02T11:22:43Z
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@hazelnot @Cefr @futurebird Well, the things it actually does are mostly server-based, so I'm not sure what the problem is? I mean, what's the next shocking reveal, their servers run Linux?Don't get me wrong, this thing won't work because AI isn't good enough to do what they say it will do. To me, that's the bit that galling, not calling their not-entirely-original software stack an ‘OS’.
(DIR) Post #AhTlr1j67b3lPwU04u by john@sauropods.win
2024-05-02T11:25:47Z
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@futurebird @Cefr @hazelnot Yeah, seriously, this is dirt cheap. I think people have got way out of wack in their expectations of what sort of hardware you can get at that price. This is a cheap, minimal device to get their server-based AI stuff out from behind a launch-the-app friction. If it worked it would be pretty cool. It won't work though. The tech isn't there yet.
(DIR) Post #AhTmJsQVmEBWyMXuz2 by hazelnot@sunbeam.city
2024-05-02T11:31:02Z
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@john @Cefr @futurebird again, not shocking, it's just fun to dunk on techbro scammers
(DIR) Post #AhTmMETOmNFFvb1Hkm by hazelnot@sunbeam.city
2024-05-02T11:31:09Z
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@john @Cefr @futurebird again, not shocking, it's just fun to expose and dunk on techbro scammers
(DIR) Post #AhToOboDBkJUn212Su by amerika@annihilation.social
2024-05-02T11:54:24.825534Z
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@futurebird Handgun. You want a handgun.
(DIR) Post #AhUKsRYL2CNk2cuKUC by Cefr@beige.party
2024-05-02T17:58:13Z
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@john @hazelnot @futurebird The PlayDate is also around $200. Even if it also used AOSP as a jumping off point, under the hood there's a lot to do with it, and plenty of features at launch that were ready when it began. (Also a Teenage Engineering design, IIRC.)The asking price of $200 for Rabbit R1 appears to be just for changes done that any developer who has a copy of Linux who makes a "custom distro" off of Ubuntu or Debian to just run one app and cull the rest (Kiosk distros, RetroPi and Recovery ISOs come to mind.) The only difference here is the hardware. MKBHD had it right; this is an Alpha product being sold as a Beta. ("Hooking the Rabbit R1 to a car Infotainment USB port can brick the device" is something QA is done on before launch, not with customers.)
(DIR) Post #AhUKyxO1agBKVdBnV2 by Cefr@beige.party
2024-05-02T17:59:30Z
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@john @hazelnot @futurebird The PlayDate is also around $200. Even if it also used AOSP as a jumping off point, under the hood there's a lot to do with it, and plenty of features at launch that were ready when it began. (Also a Teenage Engineering design, IIRC.)The asking price of $200 for Rabbit R1 appears to be just for changes done that any developer who has a copy of Linux can do. Folks who make a "custom distro" off of Ubuntu or Debian to just run one app and cull the rest (Kiosk distros, RetroPi and Recovery ISOs) come to mind. The only difference here is the hardware. MKBHD had it right; this is an Alpha product being sold as a Beta. ("Hooking the Rabbit R1 to a car Infotainment USB port can brick the device" is something QA is done on before launch, not with customers.)