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(DIR) Post #AhMODN0JUMKwwrpm5I by ralen@social.linux.pizza
2024-04-28T21:11:28Z
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are there any real plans and projects of #anarchy #society? like, how are we supposed to make people who dont want to work to work? or people who dont want to study to study? or what to do with them? how to motivate unmotivated? maybe some books about #anarchism to read? i had a discussion today and their reasoning was that people must have "points" to want to work and without them most would rather steal. and smth like that with going to school#socialism #communism #leftist #politics
(DIR) Post #AhMObK2o91h2idQEds by louisrcouture@jasette.facil.services
2024-04-28T22:00:11Z
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@ralen yeah you kinda need rules and structures for society to function. That's why I don't believe in anarchy
(DIR) Post #AhMObKtcydwbMS8PyK by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-04-28T22:02:21Z
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@louisrcouture @ralen Anarchy is not the absence of rules and structure, it's the absence of coercion and hierarchy.
(DIR) Post #AhMOdMVtw1pexM0FU0 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-04-28T22:02:46Z
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@ralen Things like intrinsic motivations, social recognition, a desire for autonomy and self-expression, a sense of responsibility, and the direct impact and immediate feedback of a person's work are all things that could motivate a person within an anarchist society to work.
(DIR) Post #AhMOu150sV7BP6MrUO by ralen@social.linux.pizza
2024-04-28T22:05:43Z
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@Radical_EgoCom i dont believe that all people can experience such type of motivation. at least, without significant reformation of childrising system
(DIR) Post #AhMPLukG1YRprhxiK0 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-04-28T22:10:49Z
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@ralen People already experience these motivations to work. It's just that our current capitalist culture makes greed and the accumulation of money the primary motivation, but in an anarchist society, such great-based motivations wouldn't exist.
(DIR) Post #AhMQdSXLjwdBXtr2w4 by ralen@social.linux.pizza
2024-04-28T22:25:11Z
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@Radical_EgoCom maybe you can give me some examples? i dont have that much faith in our society tbh. all i see people caring about themselves and believing in things most/authorities want them to believe. i really want to live in the society of conscientious people without oppression, but its hard to me to see how to make people conscientious
(DIR) Post #AhMR8C9qgeLPixWBvM by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-04-28T22:30:41Z
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@ralen Everything that you see, people being greedy and caring only about themselves, is a result of the capitalist system and how it causes people to prioritize greed and solipsism over our intrinsic inclinations toward altruism and mutual aid. In our current selfish society, there are still instances of people being altruistic and helping others despite the ever-pervasive greed-centered culture, and it's reasonable to infer that...
(DIR) Post #AhMR8hAdNmONuN7kx6 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-04-28T22:30:48Z
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@ralen ...in the absence of this greed-centered culture, people will naturally resort to their inherent altruistic tendencies.
(DIR) Post #AhMSxD3lC3uXFBYlkW by ralen@social.linux.pizza
2024-04-28T22:51:10Z
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@Radical_EgoCom im not that sure about our intrinsic inclinations, i think people want good for themself at first place, and i dont think thats bad. some may want to help others, but they're not majority. but some people are just stupid and dont realize they have to work to survive, or dont want to work, or cannot. to be short - i need a full project with proofs :) i believe that anarchism is the best way but for now it seems somehow inviable and naive, believing in people too much
(DIR) Post #AhMU2Xx32uFnRNWrQG by TheDarcBird@social.vivaldi.net
2024-04-28T23:03:19Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @ralen I came to the realization that the current system is unsustainable some years ago. Businesses cannot continue to "grow" infinitely because:1) they'll run out of customers2) they're destroying the environment
(DIR) Post #AhMbCuF1j6MZ99pELQ by louisrcouture@jasette.facil.services
2024-04-29T00:23:39Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @ralen well you do need hierarchy and coercion too
(DIR) Post #AhMdsvWdXhMzCSE8Js by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-04-29T00:53:40Z
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@louisrcouture @ralen Why do you think we need hierarchy and coercion?
(DIR) Post #AhMor5mfWsrzvu3NyK by louisrcouture@jasette.facil.services
2024-04-29T02:56:34Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @ralen because not everyone have moral reasoning. Some people need rules and threats to act correctly. You can read about the kohlberg stages of development
(DIR) Post #AhMpmUSsRIjYz9AKjg by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-04-29T03:06:57Z
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@louisrcouture @ralen I agree that people need rules to influence their moral reasoning, but not that they need hierarchy or coercive institutions to act correctly. A society lacking any hierarchy or coercive institutions could convince people to act correctly by creating a culture of mutual respect, empathy, and collective responsibility, where individuals are empowered to make decisions democratically and are motivated by a genuine desire to contribute to the well-being of the community.
(DIR) Post #AhMqzKXwj5nNwXDtpY by peterg75@mastodon.social
2024-04-29T03:20:28Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @louisrcouture @ralen I'd love to know what you're on, seems to be some good stuff. Our prisons are not filled with political dissidents, but rather people who refuse to behave by the generally acceptable rules. How do you propose to deal with these kinds of individuals in your utopian society?
(DIR) Post #AhMrN1PDXifRWrRAfo by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-04-29T03:24:45Z
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@peterg75 @louisrcouture @ralen There are ways to deal with people besides using prisons, such as restorative justice practices, community mediation, rehabilitation programs, and addressing the root causes of crime through social and economic reforms.
(DIR) Post #AhMrgESFFflDV90uFE by peterg75@mastodon.social
2024-04-29T03:28:15Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @louisrcouture @ralen I'd like to see you try to rehabilitate a serial killer with community mediation...
(DIR) Post #AhMsUUMIOYTTJ2C9a4 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-04-29T03:37:19Z
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@peterg75 @louisrcouture @ralen Community mediation may not be suitable for handling cases involving extreme violence or individuals who pose significant risks to public safety, such as serial killers. In such cases, ensuring the safety and well-being of the community may require more comprehensive intervention, including professional psychological evaluation, treatment, and, when necessary, incarceration in secure facilities.
(DIR) Post #AhMsibE3eynKes4Qim by louisrcouture@jasette.facil.services
2024-04-29T03:39:51Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @peterg75 @ralen so now we're back into coercition and state violence
(DIR) Post #AhMtiKQSDpeAVYIrrc by rob200@hear-me.social
2024-04-29T03:51:01Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @peterg75 @louisrcouture @ralen All of these would be good options.
(DIR) Post #AhMtoIHj5uVrbd47d2 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-04-29T03:52:06Z
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@louisrcouture @peterg75 @ralen Only in cases of serial killers or violently dangerous people in situations where hospitalization is deemed necessary for safety or therapeutic reasons, and even then there would be safeguards to protect these individuals' rights, including the right to informed consent, due process, and access to independent advocacy and support.
(DIR) Post #AhMtpHSTeYMFKdZ4M4 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-04-29T03:52:17Z
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@louisrcouture @peterg75 @ralen It's also important to note that serial killers only make up less than 1% of the population, so the vast majority of crimes won't need to be dealt with this way.
(DIR) Post #AhMuD1eQ4mXzFwTOKm by janisf@mstdn.social
2024-04-29T03:56:33Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @louisrcouture That rather sounds like that's how it's supposed to go. Tht it doesn't is a matter of accountability, which is shot to hell these days, pretty much everywhere. https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/MC2/MC2-15-Ch9.pdf@peterg75 @ralen
(DIR) Post #AhMuD5CCtcMAFbIuum by shannonpersists@mastodon.social
2024-04-29T03:56:35Z
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@Radical_EgoComIt sounds very very pleasant but do you think that's how it would actually pan out? I'm a realist.@louisrcouture @ralen
(DIR) Post #AhMuPNIxOSWTtCK4EC by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-04-29T03:58:48Z
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@shannonpersists @louisrcouture @ralen I don't think it would be easy, but I do think that it is realistically possible.
(DIR) Post #AhMuSsteONoOjq9w36 by shannonpersists@mastodon.social
2024-04-29T03:59:26Z
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@Radical_EgoComPerhaps indeed!@louisrcouture @ralen
(DIR) Post #AhMunV34Foi4r8OV9s by rob200@hear-me.social
2024-04-29T04:03:04Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @louisrcouture @peterg75 @ralen So there would be some limited form of prison but only for dangerous people? Also seems there would be some amount of mental health checks.
(DIR) Post #AhMwTbojZtgzxwKhUm by bitchypersonalitydisorder@mas.to
2024-04-29T04:21:58Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @louisrcouture @peterg75 @ralen 75% of the mental health crisis will also literally just vanish the second we fix housing and I'm not even kidding. That's about how much of my unit is taken up by literally just homeless people lying about being suicidal so they have somewhere to sleep so they won't die of exposure and a) I don't blame them and b) I don't want to live in a society where I have to sus out whether or not people are lying about suicidality.
(DIR) Post #AhMwWqwTngJpkAVDyS by bitchypersonalitydisorder@mas.to
2024-04-29T04:22:32Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @louisrcouture @peterg75 @ralen TLDR; Once the mental health industry isn't compensating for the closing crisis, it can actually probably handle most of this stuff.
(DIR) Post #AhOvfDhsrQ6YVSEnU8 by whynothugo@fosstodon.org
2024-04-29T06:58:11Z
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@peterg75 @Radical_EgoCom @louisrcouture @ralen This isn't a global problem. Only the US has such large proportion of their population in prisons. Most other countries have far fewer prisoners per capita. Many other countries have far more humane prison systems which focus on actual rehabilitation.
(DIR) Post #AhOvfEnwmMY5uY59Zg by louisrcouture@jasette.facil.services
2024-04-30T03:18:23Z
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@whynothugo @peterg75 @Radical_EgoCom @ralen jusf abolish private prison and every thing will get better on that
(DIR) Post #AhOvfFVYAFQY5mTyXQ by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-04-30T03:22:14Z
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@louisrcouture @whynothugo @peterg75 @ralen Just abolishing private prisons isn't enough. The entire prison industry and its emphasis on punishment over rehabilitation is the problem.
(DIR) Post #AhOw6cKvOcFuiFYx4y by aeleoglyphic@mastodon.social
2024-04-30T03:27:15Z
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@Radical_EgoCom the cycle repeats. Misunderstanding anarchism and going off of what they think we think.