Post AhFewaQ1efCDvjfHKy by aral@mastodon.ar.al
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(DIR) Post #AhFPWDmrg4PitjJlE8 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2024-04-25T13:09:23.203880Z
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I generally like everything about the concept of Nix. I like being able to lock, not the packages themselves, but the entire tree at one point in time, to a specific set of versions.I only use nix-shell and nix containers though (never tried nixOS). The nix language itself sucks ass and is poorly documented. Nix containers are pretty second class citizens. I've been meaning to do more blog posts/tutorials on my nix container build system .. it's on the BacklogOfLife™ at the moment.
(DIR) Post #AhFTvhiBxHdOlPXS1g by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-04-25T13:58:37Z
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@delroth “Now ‘everything is political’.”… Says the smoked gammon working for the defense contractor at the heart of the controversy.Oh, quelle surprise!https://discourse.nixos.org/t/major-nixpkgs-contributor-leaving/44053/13#nixOS #anduril
(DIR) Post #AhFUwqobh5zTF1eM40 by muhh@social.lol
2024-04-25T14:09:55Z
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@aral @delroth this is so depressing.I had a lot of fun and great results in building my systems using #nixos, I even took this as an evaluation experiment for my professional work which would have big impact on my work for years to come.That it is one of the few "community distros" was on top of my pro list.Now this.(Ok, it's not only now but just got clearer and clearer for me over the last months the deeper I got into it.)
(DIR) Post #AhFW5Tj10oRWBliDo0 by cferdinandi@mastodon.social
2024-04-25T14:22:47Z
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@aral @delroth "Now..."Privilege is a hell of a drug, eh?
(DIR) Post #AhFXN4CijjtuChYc7M by shalien@mastodon.projetretro.io
2024-04-25T14:37:41Z
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@delroth Glad I didn't invest that much time in nix
(DIR) Post #AhFa2KNdhOd29dT0dc by kravemir@hometech.social
2024-04-25T15:07:01Z
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@aral @delroth I have no clue what political afair is happening in NixOS community.Why can't technology be only about technology without politics?Especially in #FOSS, which is a public good - everyone benefits from it.
(DIR) Post #AhFcpYx6VcW7Rkez0C by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-04-25T15:38:15Z
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@kravemir @delroth Because technology is the physical manifestation of ideology. You cannot understand a specific technology without understanding the ideology it is designed to support and amplify. If certain technologies appear apolitical, it’s because they amplify the dominant ideology of the system you reside within. So all technology is political. But the only technologies deemed political by those who benefit from the status quo are the ones that threaten it.
(DIR) Post #AhFdByBfMoU8599j2e by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-04-25T15:41:57Z
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@cferdinandi @delroth Yep.
(DIR) Post #AhFdjqScbHpZxrEv1U by kravemir@hometech.social
2024-04-25T15:48:27Z
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@aral @delroth I don't quite get it for this case.Technology is a tool. In this case - open-source software - non rivalrous public good.Some technology can be an inherently evil or political tool, i.e. weapons.But, an open-source operating system (Linux distribution) doesn't have an implicit purpose.NixOS can be used by all people for everyone's benefit. I don't see how this can be coupled to politics.It's pretty much a neutral tool (public good), and it's up to user how it's used.
(DIR) Post #AhFdwG80zirt2vWKo4 by chrism@chattingdarkly.org
2024-04-25T15:22:21Z
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@delroth @kravemir @aral maybe you could at least avoid calling people pigs due to where they work
(DIR) Post #AhFdwGhoqbVYpyGvc8 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-04-25T15:50:39Z
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@chrism @delroth @kravemir Oh, goodness forbid, no, it’s not because of where they work. It’s because they’re gammon; a privileged white guy with reactionary opinions who bares a striking resemblance in hue and texture to the aforementioned beloved culinary delight.
(DIR) Post #AhFe6oi7H0LDCHROsK by rzeta0@mastodon.social
2024-04-25T15:52:42Z
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@aral @kravemir @delroth I was going to reply but Aral said it perfectly.
(DIR) Post #AhFeJuMZZJaIUbbf1s by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-04-25T15:55:05Z
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@kravemir @delroth Why is it designed the way that it is? What are the assumptions underlying those design decisions? Why is it, for example, so enticing for a defence contractor? How might it have been designed, licensed, governed, etc., so it would not have been? How is it funded? Why does it attract that funding? Etc.
(DIR) Post #AhFeZYlbd9xw98mLia by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-04-25T15:57:51Z
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@kravemir @delroth Take our work with the Small Web, for example: why did I spend the last six years recreating parts of the wheel instead of just using a web server like nginx, a framework like React, a database like MongoDB and/or a serverless platform, etc. All those seem like very neutral, dare I say it normal choices. But they’re actually designed with the assumption that you want to build centralised systems that scale…
(DIR) Post #AhFewaQ1efCDvjfHKy by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-04-25T16:02:01Z
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@kravemir @delroth …whereas what I’m trying to encourage is the emergence of a peer-to-peer web, the goals and success criteria of which are diametrically opposed to those of venture-capital-funded mainstream Silicon Valley corporations. The same ones that create those open source tools and technologies to help perpetuate their system. So at every level of the stack, decisions are baked into our everyday things that are made based on ideology; business models, etc.
(DIR) Post #AhFfxnSKlgdyblsxWq by kravemir@hometech.social
2024-04-25T16:13:19Z
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@aral @delroth thanks. The example you provided - how centralization ideology influences and shapes technology - helped me understand the relationship. I get the theoretical part now.However. I fail to see how NixOS has political relationship to wrong ideologies.I am simple Linux user. And, as such NixOS's declarative approach to OS setup saved me lots of time.Previously, with imperative approach of system setup, I needed to redo many things from scratch in tedious way.
(DIR) Post #AhFgCv3cmwDoWlXTF2 by cohomologyisFUN@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-04-25T16:16:01Z
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@aral @delroth everything is political.Always ways.Always will be.
(DIR) Post #AhFiCG8J90gJVjXgi8 by onepict@chaos.social
2024-04-25T16:38:26Z
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@aral @delroth I'll be honest I ticked my bingo card with that comment.I don't know why its so hard for folks to get that we encode our politics in our tech.Tech is political.
(DIR) Post #AhH7VLZjpFo3u8WzS4 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-04-26T08:56:35Z
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@Orca @delroth Yep.
(DIR) Post #AhIuJymVg0Z14x4W6y by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-04-27T05:38:21Z
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@rmi 💕
(DIR) Post #AhIyHU990NilItj160 by fasnix@dresden.network
2024-04-27T06:22:49Z
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@aral What about CSS? ;) @kravemir @delroth
(DIR) Post #AhJFw8P2S0Pexd81JI by mattb@hachyderm.io
2024-04-27T09:40:35Z
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@aral @kravemir @delroth How would you apply that to this situation? The maintainer did not express any frustration with the technology. He expressed frustration with the actions of the project's leadership. NixOS isn't designed to amplify the politics of arms dealers. It has no ideology. A group of people are now using for that, though, so refusing to contribute to their toolchain is a reasonable political response.But I don't understand what politics NixOS would be a manifestation of.