Post Adhs4WQXMJdQqeIpBQ by avesbury_rosetta@wetdry.world
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(DIR) Post #AdhnXo9m1J4cSkbgm0 by volpeon@is-a.wyvern.rip
2024-01-10T12:33:58.859Z
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In relation to OpenAI's copyright statement:"AI can't create anything without regurgitating what humans made."What this implies is that humans create things devoid of any external input, since the opposite is portrayed as a defect of AI.And that simply isn't true. We perceive our environment from the moment we're born and our actions and thoughts and ideas are informed by it. Artists aren't blank slates by the time they start creating and in fact it's common to use aspects from other works via references and inspiration.An artist can't draw a cat if they don't even know about the existence of cats.An AI can't generate art if it doesn't "know" what art is and what it depicts.Humans and AI image generators alike need basic knowledge, and for image generators this is fulfilled (or rather bruteforced) via training. It's a substitution for our years of living and perceiving.There is a lot of valid criticism about image generators and LLMs and practices related to them, but this take is nonsense.
(DIR) Post #AdhnXpdwUcnf4bjIR6 by evelyn@misskey.bubbletea.dev
2024-01-10T13:01:43.106Z
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@volpeon@is-a.wyvern.rip Perhaps there's further context here, but it honestly looks like the implication that humans are fully independent is one you've drawn, rather than one which was intended. I think the degree of dependence on prior work is a meaningful distinction to make, and there are not only two poles.
(DIR) Post #AdhnXr39GOYZR4WwMa by volpeon@is-a.wyvern.rip
2024-01-10T13:20:44.623Z
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@evelyn@misskey.bubbletea.dev It may not have been intended, but I think it's the logical conclusion to draw.What does it mean to "regurgitate other people's work" in order to create new work?Does it mean just copy-pasting? AI doesn't do that. I can train it in photos of me and it will draw me in various styles and situations, something that wasn't present in the dataset.Does it mean applying aspects from various works to combine them into something? That's more like it, but what's the big difference between this and a human using their lifetime of perception to create art?Obviously, there are differences in how the knowledge is used. AI is very rigid and lacks true understanding, which leads to strange results and the inability to infer new concepts on the fly. But it doesn't change the fact that some amount of basic knowledge is necessary in both cases. This is where my original post comes in.
(DIR) Post #Adhr9PrN6S6FyScktc by hllizi@hespere.de
2024-01-10T12:40:35Z
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@volpeon I've seen a lot of criticism of LLMs that amounted to "this cannot be Intelligence because it's just this-or-that" and typically it was missing any argument why humans should be assumed to be more than this-or-that.
(DIR) Post #AdhrEgkFkfhfn4oBhQ by avesbury_rosetta@wetdry.world
2024-01-10T12:46:06Z
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@volpeon It's an oversimplification born from an emotional reaction: watching a machine rip you off without your consent, undermining some select livelihoods (admittedly predominantly in the already kinda bougie intersection between tech and art), while bad actors use the Ripoff Machine to make porn of people and freeboot your friends' work. I don't think it's about the underlying epistemology about whether an AI's art-conscious or whether organic beings make art originally, but about an increasing precarity for creative workers predicated on an overblown technical trend based on hype and exploitation
(DIR) Post #AdhrsrAwOIZ7iuRezo by volpeon@is-a.wyvern.rip
2024-01-10T12:56:44.461Z
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@avesbury_rosetta@wetdry.world I completely understand why a lot of people aren't too thrilled about the AI hype. I also look at this situation with a healthy amount of skepticism, especially considering how corporations use AI as another opportunity to take free work to make a profit without ever giving back.I just wish people didn't resort to dishonesty when there are many legitimate points because it only weakens their own position.
(DIR) Post #Adhs4WQXMJdQqeIpBQ by avesbury_rosetta@wetdry.world
2024-01-10T12:57:57Z
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@volpeon The worst thing one can do to a cause is to defend it with dishonesty cause it then stains the integrity of everyone in the cause