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(DIR) Post #AddnzABi8AeN640Op6 by lilithsaintcrow@raggedfeathers.com
2024-01-08T15:36:37Z
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“‘Impossible’ to create AI tools like ChatGPT without copyrighted material, OpenAI says.”Then fucking pay for it honestly or fucking perish, you fucking grifters.https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/08/ai-tools-chatgpt-copyrighted-material-openai
(DIR) Post #Addo3j1uWzxsJcb4L2 by ShinyBlueThing@dice.camp
2024-01-08T15:42:27Z
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@lilithsaintcrow They need to license it, like everyone else has to.
(DIR) Post #Addo3jwd87Kp9X8MkK by lilithsaintcrow@raggedfeathers.com
2024-01-08T15:46:52Z
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@ShinyBlueThing Precisely. It's just piracy on a large scale--stealing from writers and artists, pretending they're "sticking it to the man" when all they're doing is simple theft.
(DIR) Post #Addo3kdsXJvhJfMu9o by selea@social.linux.pizza
2024-01-08T16:09:19Z
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@lilithsaintcrowThat was spot on, really @ShinyBlueThing
(DIR) Post #AddtTnE43K4ad4Wz2m by david_megginson@mstdn.ca
2024-01-08T16:48:50Z
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@lilithsaintcrow Just so.I've worked with large text corpora since the late 1980s. Of course it's possible to train a LLM on ethical sources (some free, some $$$), but then ChatGPT would end up sounding like newspapers, legal rulings, academic research papers, and/or old novels in Project Gutenberg, and people wouldn't be nearly as excited about using it. Investors won't plop down billions for a chatbot that sounds like Charles Dickens.#AI #LLM #copyright
(DIR) Post #AdeVZZPHq0cjQ1fRWC by cstross@wandering.shop
2024-01-08T15:55:36Z
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@lilithsaintcrow I keep having to repeat until I'm hoarse: "mere profit potential does not confer legitimacy on a business model"—see also child pornography and illegal drugs: both are profitable, neither of them are legal.If your business model cannot operate without copyright violation then it should be no more legal than any other large-scale IP piracy operation.
(DIR) Post #AdeVZc0w8zvdVNIXTs by lilithsaintcrow@raggedfeathers.com
2024-01-08T16:06:10Z
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@cstross Given capitalism's inevitable rapaciousness, it's no wonder a lot of folk are (consciously or otherwise) conflating large-scale grift with "business". It's the Gilded Age all over again, and we all know how THAT worked out.
(DIR) Post #AdgAiqfFKpuWpJdRrc by fpbhb@mastodon.social
2024-01-09T06:51:53Z
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@cstross @lilithsaintcrow I do not think they said that they _violated_ copyright, but that a language corpus of the required size necessarily includes copyrighted material.
(DIR) Post #AdgAiry4UKYyrzRzqS by lilithsaintcrow@raggedfeathers.com
2024-01-09T15:19:14Z
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@fpbhb Then they can ask for permission (licensing) and PAY THE REQUIRED PRICE for it, instead of stealing. @cstross
(DIR) Post #AdgAissn5RvvhtzIFk by fpbhb@mastodon.social
2024-01-09T15:36:22Z
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@lilithsaintcrow @cstross a) they wouldn’t have to, if it were fair use b) they cannot, given the size of the corpus and the sheer number of copyright holders c) not they (i.e. the researchers and startups doing the hundreds of other language models), cannot either. I admit though, that b) and c) are moot if not a), and then not only OpenAI would be DoA.
(DIR) Post #AdgAiu0ysU4xDapLeq by spacelizard@aus.social
2024-01-09T16:12:42Z
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@fpbhb @lilithsaintcrow @cstross b) is just "their business will fail if they have to pay for licenses for the IP that they're using". That's not a reason why they shouldn't pay, it's a reason that their business model is broken and should be abandoned.Failing to make big businesses pay for externalities because they'll become unprofitable if they're made to do so has already caused so much damage in the world (e.g. climate change), we really should have learned to stop doing it by now.
(DIR) Post #AdgAlbnf3ZFNavt5Dk by weekend_editor@mathstodon.xyz
2024-01-09T16:30:44Z
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@spacelizard @fpbhb @lilithsaintcrow @cstross The profitability argument was previously used to defend child labor, and slavery before that.I'm comfortable saying if your business depends on slavery, child labor, pollution, or theft of the work of others... then your business is bad and should not exist. You can learn a better business model.
(DIR) Post #AdgO7FJQe0wdcqOVGa by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-01-09T22:01:17Z
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@fpbhb> a) [LLM developers] wouldn’t have to [pay for copyright], if it were fair use b) they cannot, given the size of the corpus and the sheer number of copyright holders@pluralistic has written some good stuff on this topic. There are podcast versions here that link to the texts:How To Think About Scrapinghttps://craphound.com/news/2023/09/24/how-to-think-about-scraping/The Internet's Original Sinhttps://craphound.com/news/2023/12/17/the-internets-original-sin/@lilithsaintcrow @cstross
(DIR) Post #AdgOsouG7leLd3J3b6 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-01-09T22:11:18Z
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@fpbhb> a) [LLM developers] wouldn’t have to [pay for copyright], if it were fair use b) they cannot, given the size of the corpus and the sheer number of copyright holders@pluralistic has written some good stuff on this topic. There are podcast versions here that link to the texts:How To Think About Scrapinghttps://craphound.com/news/2023/09/24/how-to-think-about-scraping/The Internet's Original Sinhttps://craphound.com/news/2023/12/17/the-internets-original-sin/@lilithsaintcrow @cstross