Post AdfFJe9n0OUnPPlQ9o by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
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(DIR) Post #AdfDHq4RXVazs5H0ue by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-01-03T12:50:53Z
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the fuck?
(DIR) Post #AdfDHr9RWPBnDscWLQ by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-01-09T08:26:44.017Z
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@lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place Install Gentoo
(DIR) Post #AdfFJZnJE28XsXDPYu by froztbyte@mastodon.social
2024-01-03T12:52:54Z
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@lritter 20.04 by any chance?
(DIR) Post #AdfFJazklFgXbQ2rb6 by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-01-03T12:53:57Z
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@froztbyte 22.04 latest lts
(DIR) Post #AdfFJbo5k5x27Xb43k by froztbyte@mastodon.social
2024-01-03T12:55:10Z
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@lritter "fun"wonder if it's a fuckup on ESM channel settings, or an aggressive push trying to get more people on ESM(I don't use ubuntu myself, so I don't track it closely enough to know what's potting)
(DIR) Post #AdfFJcTvEZPaDHATGC by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-01-03T12:55:51Z
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@froztbyte they say personal subscriptions are free, but it means you now need to associate ubuntu with an account in order to get security updates
(DIR) Post #AdfFJdHCHMpKg6Dp44 by froztbyte@mastodon.social
2024-01-03T12:57:36Z
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@lritter fwiw going by https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle I _think_ that popup is probably a mistakeat least, squinting at the colour line and position(wow what a shitty display table)
(DIR) Post #AdfFJe9n0OUnPPlQ9o by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
2024-01-03T13:39:54Z
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@froztbyte @lritter it's not. ffmepg is not on main, that means unless someone on the community makes the patch there would likely not be a patch if the Ubuntu Security team wasn't making them as part of Ubuntu Pro.
(DIR) Post #AdfFJfYHongXjgEUym by Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-01-03T16:02:52Z
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@DiogoConstantino @froztbyte @lritter Does Ubuntu put widely used (even on servers!) packages like imagemagick and ffmpeg in Universe instead of Main to sell Ubuntu Pro, or..?
(DIR) Post #AdfFJgm9GkMrWxj5E0 by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
2024-01-03T17:05:18Z
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@Doomed_Daniel @froztbyte @lritter the packages have as far as I remember always been there on universe.Also Ubuntu Pro is available at no cost for the needs of most.For a package to be on main, it has to follow a certain set of requirements, and go through a specific procedure that will ensure that it's viable for it to be on main.ImageMagick in particular, because of it's security historic is on my opinion, unlikely to be fit to be on main.
(DIR) Post #AdfFJik5xLuhdAmTIm by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-01-09T08:49:20.393Z
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@DiogoConstantino@masto.pt @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @froztbyte@mastodon.social @lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place Ubuntu Pro is available at no costNo financial cost, maybe. But having to register an account and perform additional configuration on your machine is a cost. A pretty high cost if you have moral principles, even.
(DIR) Post #AdfFJjng1WNAuZSqWW by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
2024-01-03T17:05:50Z
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@Doomed_Daniel @froztbyte @lritter You can learn more about Main Inclusion Review (MIR) at: https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir
(DIR) Post #AdfGWEww8XJCwsJxjc by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-01-09T08:59:10Z
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@tyil @Doomed_Daniel @DiogoConstantino @froztbyte how is it a high cost when you have moral principles?
(DIR) Post #AdfGWFs0iKxjnt1XhA by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-01-09T09:02:57.235Z
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@lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @DiogoConstantino@masto.pt @froztbyte@mastodon.social Canonical isn't really the kind of company I can argue in a positive light for, they don't seem to care much about actually supporting the free and open source ecosystem all that much in recent years.Having to register an account to get "free" updates adds to this. If they're "free", why do I need to register? Why do I need to make an account at Yet Another Company's badly maintained infra which will only increase the chances of data about me getting leaked in the future?If you have no principles, all of those questions don't matter, you'd only care about the short-term benefits for yourself, regardless of the cost.
(DIR) Post #AdfGjZKZff0lvNjVFw by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-01-09T09:05:06Z
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@tyil @Doomed_Daniel @DiogoConstantino @froztbyte i can barely see you up there on that skyscraper high horse
(DIR) Post #AdfGlyy5K69K14Mf1k by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-01-09T09:05:49.772Z
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@lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @DiogoConstantino@masto.pt @froztbyte@mastodon.social So no argument against what I said, just a personal attack?
(DIR) Post #AdfLWZO8e58g6p1MJc by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
2024-01-09T09:54:32Z
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@tyil @lritter @Doomed_Daniel @froztbyte It does have a cost, but it's far from a high, and certainly is not immoral.
(DIR) Post #AdfLWbGPfm9DvRQDYG by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-01-09T09:59:02.058Z
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@DiogoConstantino@masto.pt @lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @froztbyte@mastodon.social It does have a costYes, that's what I said.[but] it's far from a highDepends on what you think is a better way to spend your time: bowing down to Canonical to pretty please get updates to the free software they repackage from #Debian, or use your computer to actually get things done.and certainly is not imoral.But it most certainly isimmoral. I've outlined this in the thread already, but this appears to have mentally broken the OP so hard that he's resorted to name-calling about stinking feet or something.
(DIR) Post #AdfLiGgI1ZRNZ45alM by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
2024-01-09T09:59:27Z
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@tyil @lritter @Doomed_Daniel @froztbyte You're certainly entitled to your opinion. But you're factually wrong about Canonical not supporting Free and Open Source.I understand your argument regarding the account, but you're exaggerating the consequences.Basically, Extended Security Maintenance from Ubuntu Pro is a service a company provides, it is free for limited uses, but it's still a commercial service, this is why it requires an account. It's not difficult to understand and is reasonable.
(DIR) Post #AdfLiHMpTPT5gzzZ4K by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-01-09T10:00:12Z
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@DiogoConstantino @tyil @Doomed_Daniel @froztbyte trying to make this conversation go away through heavy eyerolling, and it appears i am failing
(DIR) Post #AdfLiI9OYqJg7ciLlg by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-01-09T10:01:08.016Z
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@lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place @DiogoConstantino@masto.pt @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @froztbyte@mastodon.social There's options to mute threads you're no longer interested in, at least in most #Fediverse software that I'm aware of.
(DIR) Post #AdfM5UK5TDIsXCmC4u by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-01-09T10:05:20.771Z
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@DiogoConstantino@masto.pt @lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @froztbyte@mastodon.social But you're factually wrong about Canonical not supporting Free and Open Source.That's not something I said, please don't try to rewrite my words to fit your narrative. I said they don't seem to care about supporting free and open source in recent years, I didn't say they don't do anything to support it. Those two are very different realities.you're exaggerating the consequences.I'm being realistic, this isn't the first time a company that starts out as beneficial to free software slowly but surely turns around and fucks over its userbase in search of profits. I'm not going to pretend history doesn't exist, because that'd just be very stupid.
(DIR) Post #AdfMMWMl7wthnI9Equ by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
2024-01-09T10:03:08Z
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@tyil @lritter @Doomed_Daniel @froztbyte They don't simply repackage, that's incorrect, you need to learn more about how Ubuntu is made and doing that work has a cost.You are simply wrong, and he's right about your behaviour.
(DIR) Post #AdfMMXHphkYEeIqooS by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-01-09T10:08:24.884Z
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@DiogoConstantino@masto.pt @lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @froztbyte@mastodon.social Doing work always has a cost, but you were the one going around telling people it was completely free, which is simply a lie to make #Ubuntu look better than it really is. It's not free, and they're definitely not doing it out of kindness to support the free software ecosystem.You are simply wrongI am not "simply wrong", however, you even admitted later in the thread it does come with a cost, while you started off telling people it was completely free.he's right about your behaviourWhat behaviour? Being correct and telling people who are incorrect they're incorrect? That merits name-calling nowadays rather than just discussing things?
(DIR) Post #AdfMSH4gtRZG6dRLkm by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-01-09T10:09:29.545Z
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@DiogoConstantino@masto.pt @lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @froztbyte@mastodon.social If you can't deal with other people publicly talking to you because their opinions differ, there's options to mute or post only to followers, I'd strongly recommend looking into those possibilities!
(DIR) Post #AdfMnB8k9YrzmVIt04 by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-01-09T10:11:12Z
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@tyil @Doomed_Daniel @DiogoConstantino @froztbyte look i think it's nice that you're passionate. but what you need to work on is the assumption that you are always right, and that it is the job of others to prove to you that you are wrong, playing the ignorant until you're shown otherwise. keep the possibility in your mind that, like anyone else, you're never seeing the whole picture, and cultivate the humility that comes with that insight.
(DIR) Post #AdfMnC84TXvUqhzrai by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-01-09T10:13:14.175Z
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@lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @DiogoConstantino@masto.pt @froztbyte@mastodon.social what you need to work on is the assumption that you are always rightI don't work on that assumption, I even asked you specifically whether you could argue against my content, rather than name-calling me. You showed you were not able to do that. What else am I to infer from that other than you admitting you have no arguments?
(DIR) Post #AdfMzXbyQlOYwys2uO by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-01-09T10:14:45Z
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@tyil @Doomed_Daniel @DiogoConstantino @froztbyte i am beginning to understand why you operate from your own server ;-)
(DIR) Post #AdfMzYj6HkgqPNDFei by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-01-09T10:15:29.194Z
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@lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @DiogoConstantino@masto.pt @froztbyte@mastodon.social And why do you think I operate from my own server?
(DIR) Post #AdfNNXELV0deibGBfM by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-01-09T10:16:17Z
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@tyil so this won't work
(DIR) Post #AdfNNYIdWXfI2CH7zc by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-01-09T10:19:45.400Z
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@lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @DiogoConstantino@masto.pt @froztbyte@mastodon.social That actually does work, though I wonder what reason you would report me for? I didn't do any name-calling, I wasn't aggressive, I don't think I've done anything to merit a report. I do think I have to explicitly point out that "different opinion" is not a reportable offense in my mind.But no, that is not the reason why I host my own #Fediverse instance. If you read my posts on Fediverse related topics you might notice I always call for a large number of small servers, rather than a small number of large servers. I've been on other servers before, but they always seem to grow well over the 200 users which I find to be the limit. Rather than keep hopping, I can run my own instead, which directly promotes my own principles of having many small servers.