Post AdeyFc7AxRDmhE24nY by lejstephen@genomic.social
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(DIR) Post #AdepkRFCWbmmN5PSzY by ct_bergstrom@fediscience.org
2024-01-09T03:16:20Z
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BREAKING: Apartheid tool has thoughts on how voting ought to work.
(DIR) Post #Adesy7PtL8JgnHcoQi by liztai@hachyderm.io
2024-01-09T03:18:47Z
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@ct_bergstrom A very American POV, this. In my country IDs are required because unscrupulous parties will send ghost/fake votes or people will vote multiple times to bump up a certain politician. In some countries it is VERY necessary and needed.
(DIR) Post #Adesy8OrgR5bqO9VT6 by ct_bergstrom@fediscience.org
2024-01-09T03:24:19Z
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@liztai But Elon is not writing about your country.
(DIR) Post #Adesy9AioVN2EoXj3w by liztai@hachyderm.io
2024-01-09T03:29:24Z
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@ct_bergstrom point taken. Why are ids such a bad idea, however, especially since there are bad actors around?
(DIR) Post #Adesy9yLpz4MijlMQ4 by ct_bergstrom@fediscience.org
2024-01-09T03:34:39Z
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@liztai Others have addressed at ID issue well. I'm speaking largely about voting by mail. In the US, people don't get time off work to vote and in minoritized communities, voters may face lines with wait times upward of four hours.
(DIR) Post #AdesyAxg9y7rmwSL0i by Archivist@social.linux.pizza
2024-01-09T04:39:03Z
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@ct_bergstrom @liztaiCurious European here, how is voting by mail secured to prevent people from voting multiple times or to prevent them voting "on behalf" of family members?
(DIR) Post #Adet8IF3wjaFGQPZei by liztai@hachyderm.io
2024-01-09T04:40:54Z
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@Archivist do u guys (Europeans) use ids to vote too? @ct_bergstrom
(DIR) Post #AdetSj9XbMzoWCZYS8 by iagox86@infosec.exchange
2024-01-09T04:44:36Z
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@Archivist @ct_bergstrom @liztai In Washington, they mail you a ballot, you vote, sign it, mail back, and they verify your signature
(DIR) Post #AdetXwTDW1ejGlGKSu by Archivist@social.linux.pizza
2024-01-09T04:45:34Z
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@liztai @ct_bergstromYes. Here you would actually have both an ID and a election card and need to provide both. You need to either vote in person, or fill a form at a military police station to allow someone to vote on your behalf if you are unable to vote
(DIR) Post #Adetpcsd5dCvixa6Eq by Archivist@social.linux.pizza
2024-01-09T04:48:45Z
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@iagox86 @ct_bergstrom @liztaiHow do they even verify your signature? That seems like a very easy to bypass security measure. Also it would not be constitutional in my country as voting must be anonymous here
(DIR) Post #AdetvNEECA0sv2QNKS by liztai@hachyderm.io
2024-01-09T04:49:46Z
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@Archivist Likewise. We have literally people in wheelchairs and barely infirm people making the effort to vote. Govt would try to have busses to help them to the voting centres. @ct_bergstrom
(DIR) Post #Adeu8umyjHKUlm8TTc by liztai@hachyderm.io
2024-01-09T04:52:13Z
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@Archivist Right? I find it a bit mind boggling.@iagox86 @ct_bergstrom
(DIR) Post #AdevYS7W2dNzL2U0Rc by Archivist@social.linux.pizza
2024-01-09T05:08:04Z
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@liztaiHere any government building MUST accommodate disabled people, we have townhall that were built 6 centuries ago that have been accommodated so that disabled voters and citizens in general can access them@ct_bergstrom
(DIR) Post #AdevelMFQgUmjxNnBw by 51rH0n3y84d93r@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-09T05:09:13Z
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@ct_bergstrom good thing the US is not as backwards as Europe.
(DIR) Post #AdeyFc7AxRDmhE24nY by lejstephen@genomic.social
2024-01-09T05:38:15Z
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@Archivist @iagox86 @ct_bergstrom @liztai the same process exists in the UK but as your ballot is folded and sealed the signature verification process never sees your actual vote so anonymity is maintained
(DIR) Post #AdeyxRzLy3x623HCxU by scrubbles@mastodon.world
2024-01-09T05:46:11Z
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@Archivist @ct_bergstrom @liztai for my state each ballot has a unique barcode on it, so you can't just copy/paste it, it'll trip their systems that a ballot was used twice. As for nobody else using it the important thing for us is the signature, where they'll scan and be able to tell if it's too far off from your previous signature. In addition to that they have caught people trying to vote illegally by doing things like trying to vote for their parents/children.
(DIR) Post #Adf0v7sRyCwWzG4DZI by uncycliste@hostux.social
2024-01-09T06:08:10Z
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@Archivist @liztai @ct_bergstrom Same for us here in France, I don't understand how the US system works.
(DIR) Post #Adf1xa8DzXul9MBEwK by negative12dollarbill@techhub.social
2024-01-09T06:19:49Z
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@Archivist @ct_bergstrom @liztai How big is your family that voting for your family members could disrupt an election with several million voters?
(DIR) Post #Adf22gZnSRjOaNVimu by negative12dollarbill@techhub.social
2024-01-09T06:20:45Z
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@Archivist @ct_bergstrom @liztai To answer the question about multiple votes, each voting paper has a unique id. Simple.
(DIR) Post #Adf3Oc8mjKFZ9atdBI by Archivist@social.linux.pizza
2024-01-09T06:35:55Z
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@negative12dollarbill @ct_bergstrom @liztaiI don't know how little important elections are in the US, but here we consider any interference to spoil the ballot, leading to a revote in the area if there is, for example, a miscount
(DIR) Post #Adf3nMxAKk1fI4GWgK by MattFerrel@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-01-09T06:40:21Z
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@Archivist @ct_bergstrom @liztai I live here in an all vote by mail state. The ballot is mailed to me, I mark the ballot, put it back in the secure envelope and sign it. I know the signatures are checked against the signature I provided on my ID (drivers license) because I once received a warning letter that if my signature had changed I needed to update it or my vote would not count
(DIR) Post #AdfMQraCBaTqkrVGds by lazza@mastodon.social
2024-01-09T10:09:09Z
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@Archivist @ct_bergstrom @liztai John Oliver made an interesting episode on Last Week Tonight about this.Apparently, they don't check. They have a much bigger issue that many people do not have an identity card (the only ID being a driving license, which is insane because it only covers those who drive).So, instead of solving that one, they rely on the fact that voting fraud is very hard to carry on a large scale.
(DIR) Post #AdfaKFEpEiITS4FIwa by mmlarthur@mastodon.social
2024-01-09T12:44:53Z
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@Archivist @iagox86 @ct_bergstrom @liztai I would recommend the film https://www.notimetofailfilm.com/ as a good way to understand how proper voting systems, including signature verification, work--they do not reveal voters' identities. (The film also covers in-person voting but you see how the mail ballots work).
(DIR) Post #AdfkBlQRC7QADLGvpI by Archivist@social.linux.pizza
2024-01-09T14:35:25Z
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@lazza @ct_bergstrom @liztaiWow, I find absolutely crazy the fact that the driver's licence is the default ID. In my country an ID is needed for anything. You can't rent a hotel room, let alone a flat without an ID. My 8yo son has an ID because it is required to do any form of administrative paperwork, even just having him go to school field trips
(DIR) Post #AdfkSj8Oxu4e22vNlg by Archivist@social.linux.pizza
2024-01-09T14:38:29Z
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@mmlarthur @iagox86 @ct_bergstrom @liztaiWill watch! I know how things go in person in my country pretty well because my father volunteered several times and I just could observe the whole process as a kid on numerous occasions (here elections tend to be on Sundays as almost everyone has some amount of free time on Sunday)