Post AddmnOWSuPSe7sXO8u by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
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(DIR) Post #AddmnOWSuPSe7sXO8u by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2024-01-08T15:55:12.503761Z
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I saw this beautiful Hopi vase at the antique store yesterday but I didn't get it. Might go back for it
(DIR) Post #AddopzMx5KactJS7Wq by dassauerkraut@shortstacksran.ch
2024-01-08T16:18:05.652959Z
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@Vril_Oreilly What's a Hopi vase?
(DIR) Post #AddqByZ2rHAgig9nn6 by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2024-01-08T16:33:15.261066Z
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@dassauerkraut The Hopi are an Indian tribe from Arizona. They make really nice ceramics. I think they were one of the first and only tribes who started using coal fired kilns, so their ceramic is a lot harder and more elegant than others.
(DIR) Post #AddqkCpOKh6Ons7osS by dassauerkraut@shortstacksran.ch
2024-01-08T16:39:27.424210Z
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@Vril_Oreilly That's an appreciable level intricacy, I like the look of them.Neat they had coal furnaces, maybe another 500 years(?) and they could have come into metallugy?
(DIR) Post #AddrNaIX0PoKt7X3h2 by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2024-01-08T16:46:31.459914Z
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@dassauerkraut So something really interesting I learned during my archaeology dig: You can actually track the rise and fall of civilizations through the thickness of their ceramic. So at the peak of your empire, you have well paid classically trained artisans with coal fired kilns that can get very very hot, allowing you to make very thin very strong ceramic.After the collapse of empire you have domestic craftsmen, usually women, making very rough, thick ceramic that's usually baked over an open fire using wood or dung or whatever fuel is on hand.And it's like a steady transition, so from 1st century Roman ceramic to say 6th century ceramic there's this steady growth in thickness and roughness and brittleness of the ceramic.
(DIR) Post #AddsHLAwPwpQCfZJJY by dassauerkraut@shortstacksran.ch
2024-01-08T16:56:38.712806Z
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@Vril_Oreilly That a really impressive trend to see and observe, does it carry through globally? Say with Aztec/Mayan ceramics, were examples of their's similar in strength and artistry to what the Hopi achieved?Would it be an overassumption to think decoration/intricacy of pots also rises and falls with the trend of thickness and strength?
(DIR) Post #AddtuN8j9F15XkhzWa by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2024-01-08T17:14:54.028800Z
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@dassauerkraut the decoration is a little different. you can find richly decorated byzantine and islamic pottery meanwhile a technically higher quality roman pot might be completely bare.
(DIR) Post #Addu8K07cB6JrYKphg by dassauerkraut@shortstacksran.ch
2024-01-08T17:17:25.712131Z
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@Vril_Oreilly So artistry m/creativity isn't linear with funding/prosperity in an empire.
(DIR) Post #AdduXnEE5Jb5kY4tPM by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2024-01-08T17:22:01.924477Z
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@dassauerkraut this image shows some hand painted mamluk potsherds, they had large intricate designs, but notice the actual ceramic itself? its thick and cakey? When you think about the kilns and fuel you have to think about supply lines, fuel prices, leisure time, economy, etc.
(DIR) Post #AddvGOFDoyJBIKoEL2 by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2024-01-08T17:30:05.127266Z
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@dassauerkraut in terms of higher skilled artistry there's a definite correlation with the state of your empire. Rome dropped off massively in this respect.
(DIR) Post #AddvqK6kg7N6tFyvSa by Ghislaine@poa.st
2024-01-08T17:36:34.998829Z
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@Vril_Oreilly @dassauerkraut Looks like they kind of leaned on putting huge Disney eyes in their art to make up for the lack of actual verisimilitude
(DIR) Post #Addwt7SyEgyYVQGtI8 by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2024-01-08T17:48:18.046020Z
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@Ghislaine @dassauerkraut we were so close to ancient Roman anime
(DIR) Post #AddwwIyJum6f3hSD0S by TheMaskettaMan@nicecrew.digital
2024-01-08T17:48:53.299456Z
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They never recovered from the crisis of the third century, militarily and culturally.
(DIR) Post #Addwy0hIpVTexcJ7CK by Will2Power@poa.st
2024-01-08T17:49:11.813490Z
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@Vril_Oreilly @Ghislaine @dassauerkraut Thermae Roma? Sekkou Boys? Making progress maybe 🤔
(DIR) Post #AddxlwZuQ39UfEevVQ by dassauerkraut@shortstacksran.ch
2024-01-08T17:58:12.155391Z
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@Vril_Oreilly Its interesting to consider the ancient logistics like this, especially with how likely we are to return to such systems soon 🤔Jokes aside its quite interesting how something like pottery so well records the state of life for its time.
(DIR) Post #AddxuGTMKuVkgLYyw4 by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2024-01-08T17:59:42.205702Z
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@Will2Power @Ghislaine @dassauerkraut I loved thermae roma
(DIR) Post #AddxyG5Vhyn8eCJRC4 by dassauerkraut@shortstacksran.ch
2024-01-08T18:00:26.135929Z
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@Vril_Oreilly @Ghislaine So the Chemical X that makes anime really is nuclear fallout?
(DIR) Post #Addxzb5N7mzw3nt008 by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2024-01-08T18:00:40.289703Z
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@dassauerkraut 1177 BC by Eric Cline is a really fantastic book on the bronze age collapse. It really shows how quickly and dramatically a complex globalized society and supply chain can go to shit
(DIR) Post #Addy98F3DitzUxxZdg by dassauerkraut@shortstacksran.ch
2024-01-08T18:02:24.308685Z
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@Vril_Oreilly Like losing one piece in a complex machine, it all goes to shit and tears itself apart?I will have to download and give the book a read.
(DIR) Post #AddyHpEJH9Zd8kl5oe by Will2Power@poa.st
2024-01-08T18:03:58.925964Z
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@Vril_Oreilly @Ghislaine @dassauerkraut I haven't seen it but it looked kino
(DIR) Post #AddzHZR662Ki6wBMCu by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2024-01-08T18:15:07.153412Z
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@Will2Power @Ghislaine @dassauerkraut it's super comfy :comfy:
(DIR) Post #Ade2aqBCMsmBP9crsO by lykanthrocide@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T18:52:14.341068Z
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@dassauerkraut @Vril_Oreilly this can also be seen in Chinese and Japanese ceramics. Complexity of decoration depends on the tastes of an era.
(DIR) Post #AdeJ9oJCujyF0L4KFU by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2024-01-08T21:57:49.139978Z
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Did the Byzantines even make statues? I can't find any beyond 5th-6th centuries. Its amazing how even though the power structure remained mostly intact, and they were very wealthy, they still lost the skills required to make beautiful sculpture.
(DIR) Post #AdeJXu2XG2LLjGl6gK by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2024-01-08T22:02:09.139164Z
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Here is an extremely rare large scale sculpture of John II Komnemos from 1100, but even still... The level of artistry is so degenerated. If anyone can find anything better than this from the Byzantines I'd love to see it.
(DIR) Post #AdeLcoDsVq7h2nX0vg by Paultron@poa.st
2024-01-08T22:25:29.389806Z
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@Vril_Oreilly i'd argue the venetians were more directly related to the romans than the greeks, and by 1100 they had great art schools that would eventually produce the italian masters
(DIR) Post #AdeLv5a2iU3s5dcDHE by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2024-01-08T22:28:46.601750Z
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@Paultron I agree with you about Venice, and after the fall of Constantinople that's where all the greats went as well. But on the other hand, all of the original great art schools were in Greece to begin with. That's where the Romans learned it. The iconoclasm of the eastern church and the muslims is probably the big factor here.
(DIR) Post #AdeVB6f73guNJoPA4e by rher@mugicha.club
2024-01-08T23:46:09.198424Z
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There was a large migration in from anatolia and asia of helenized semites and churkas around this period, that may have something to do with this.
(DIR) Post #AdeVQCRfq4JTbBJe4m by rher@mugicha.club
2024-01-08T23:50:12.160397Z
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Few know this but the ancients turned into pots after they expired.
(DIR) Post #AdeVYdJFqHKtEWOo40 by LouisConde@mugicha.club
2024-01-08T23:49:56.494414Z
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The iconoclast controversy had a role in this as well.
(DIR) Post #AdfSCbVTl7fwZBsge8 by Jonaschuzzlewit@nicecrew.digital
2024-01-09T11:13:54.032045Z
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I thought you said posts on first glance