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(DIR) Post #AddQLC2XWm4CJOggpk by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T11:43:36.701605Z
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(DIR) Post #AddQVfG7kLYbpT2Cbw by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T11:45:30.362819Z
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it does makes sense though, since being a SAHM for a long time was a privilege of upper class women who truly did nothing because they hired housekeepers to cook, clean and do the laundry
(DIR) Post #AddQXLB5NZK27xTeCG by Senator_Armstrong@seal.cafe
2024-01-08T11:45:47.935749Z
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@RikaDerufu it's not a "men" issues it's a bunch of wall st jews gooning over muh GDP
(DIR) Post #AddQhmwH1EVJ7fWy4e by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T11:47:40.986892Z
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the concept of a SAHM who takes care of the children and the house is pretty new. Low class women always worked, while middle and upper class women hired housekeepers to do all the boring chores
(DIR) Post #AddQrsUFFM2fE1EQIS by gnarley_boot@norwoodzero.net
2024-01-08T11:49:31.486886Z
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@RikaDerufu Damn sbe's right, our great/grandparents got too comfy and kikepilled, this is literally disgusting. White men did this??
(DIR) Post #AddQzX8MWJm5Jhe9dQ by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T11:50:54.253682Z
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hiring a young woman to do the cleaning, laundry and cooking was a common practice in Italy until the 60s, even for low-middle class families. It was never the "mom" job unless the family very poor, but even in that case the chores were shared with the older children and not just the mom job
(DIR) Post #AddR17WsgjcKU7s7SS by Senator_Armstrong@seal.cafe
2024-01-08T11:51:09.843219Z
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@RikaDerufu no it isn't. why do you think men have bigger arms? It's to carry stuff back from hunting to the women.
(DIR) Post #AddR2rqRyPRUQ5rGxE by Senator_Armstrong@seal.cafe
2024-01-08T11:51:29.979841Z
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@RikaDerufu your view of history only goes back like 100 years lol
(DIR) Post #AddRB0jUoQwSIlULj6 by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T11:52:58.558610Z
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I can assure you upper-middle class women in ancient Rome were not cleaning their clothes in the Tevere. They hired servants to do it.
(DIR) Post #AddRCJLB7AcQInjZZI by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T11:53:08.285754Z
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@RikaDerufu Worth1000 is a site where they have contests with a theme to make photoshopped graphics, it’s not real.
(DIR) Post #AddRFR5yjrjRDq7AoK by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T11:53:46.878734Z
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hmm
(DIR) Post #AddRyGeoOVpPscmjQW by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:01:52.497018Z
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cleaning and laundry has always been the woman job in the sense that they hired female servants to do it. I don't know about cooking, but I'm sure a lot of men were hired to do it ("famous requested chefs" were a thing among European courts).Taking care of the kids was also obviously the job of female servants (for nobles and rich families).In poor families the women did both house chores and worked a job.My point is mainly about SAHM being a recent concept. I'm not denying certain chores have always been assigned to women
(DIR) Post #AddS0X0yY4k7BuEPPU by gnarley_boot@norwoodzero.net
2024-01-08T12:02:17.530629Z
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@RikaDerufu @Senator_Armstrong > always workedDamn, like 1000's of years before the "industrialization" of society happened, we were basically trash then. I mailed you a box with some booklets hoping to clear this up.
(DIR) Post #AddS0dkZVSmS53buJU by Herman_Hetherington@poa.st
2024-01-08T12:02:18.877784Z
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@RikaDerufu
(DIR) Post #AddS6TPUrZ15kWXBiq by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:03:21.983962Z
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ohh ok. the fake one has been reposted in many articles https://methodshop.com/vintage-sexist-ads/
(DIR) Post #AddSBIgWARIBvtnVGS by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:04:14.311587Z
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living in the countryside and taking care of your land and animals to make a living out of it is a job
(DIR) Post #AddSFkbQJNDBg1XKds by Dicer@poa.st
2024-01-08T12:05:02.636537Z
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@RikaDerufu @Senator_Armstrong What is slaves in 300BC?
(DIR) Post #AddSMOEds5nAKg2xKi by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:06:12.290446Z
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There were both slaves and servants. The women hired to do the cleaning were not necessarily slaves I think, although many might have been
(DIR) Post #AddSPTBNvvfwXszYH2 by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2024-01-08T12:06:47.833889Z
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@RikaDerufu @Herman_Hetherington >Feminists are also screenshot raceWho isn't these days.
(DIR) Post #AddSSL6aQBbMMY7EVU by Dicer@poa.st
2024-01-08T12:07:19.214399Z
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@RikaDerufu @Herman_Hetherington >look at this ad, shows how motherhood was never valued>the fathers of the children to go die together with all the other fathers and even their adult sonsIt's woman hatred tho
(DIR) Post #AddScHMrAkdHfOSvOC by Dicer@poa.st
2024-01-08T12:09:06.928413Z
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@RikaDerufu @Senator_Armstrong I'm just pointing out the other alternatives that existed long before even the middle ages. Rich households in antiquity had a bunch of slaves, and instead of pay they did receive housing, an allowance to do their own food shopping and even time to look after their family.
(DIR) Post #AddSdwep8xCo0wfEC8 by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:09:24.860787Z
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Even if it's fake I think the concept behind it was a common shared sentiment. "Women are useless because they can't do men jobs" it's not a never heard of concept
(DIR) Post #AddSqZ9Lr6H8s4xeLY by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:11:41.797127Z
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Yes exactly. Having other people doing the chores in your house was a very common practice throughout history, not only for the richest people
(DIR) Post #AddSvAfSJ6IWOBAoSG by Herman_Hetherington@poa.st
2024-01-08T12:12:30.441589Z
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@RikaDerufu Here is the link to the full info on the ad:digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:ft848t99g
(DIR) Post #AddSwL3j9oUguJ5DHc by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2024-01-08T12:12:43.796655Z
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@RikaDerufu Women aren't useless because of that. Just less useful. At least in terms of working a job.
(DIR) Post #AddT2l3TPym9Gm1d8y by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:13:53.951433Z
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maybe if men weren't so busy starting wars feminism would have never been a thing 😔
(DIR) Post #AddTAtFGqngEzJQAVM by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2024-01-08T12:15:21.517669Z
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@RikaDerufu @Dicer @Senator_Armstrong You cannot convince me that 4/5ths of households had servants to do all their chores. Unless you consider the servants a part of the household they serve in, and in that case they would be their own servant, which doesn't make sense.The majority of people, both in and outside the towns, must have been without servants.
(DIR) Post #AddTI2H1gLJ712eKFE by Herman_Hetherington@poa.st
2024-01-08T12:16:39.777424Z
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@RikaDerufu qz.com/967895/throughout-history-women-rulers-were-more-likely-to-wage-war-than-men
(DIR) Post #AddTnaXILSXeFvIwAC by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:22:21.833990Z
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servants were most of the time part of the household.It surely must have been a common practice for hundreds of years because all the low class women (married or non) who didn't work in a farm worked as housekeeping servants in the households of richer people. Mind that this was considered a good position, because the alternative for unmarried women or women who couldn't live with their families was prostitution.The industrialization brought a lot of women into factories, but it has been a common practice to have housekeepers at least until the 50s/60s of the 20th century.
(DIR) Post #AddTsGLGqxEj4buQgS by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:23:12.475116Z
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when women do it's ok ✨💅
(DIR) Post #AddTu1kY4tDqOZZeiW by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:23:29.485349Z
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@RikaDerufu @Herman_Hetherington war is a woman's prerogative.
(DIR) Post #AddU8D8MY5YdkyTaN6 by n3f_X@nicecrew.digital
2024-01-08T12:26:05.440026Z
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hmmm... yea that actually makes sense i guess
(DIR) Post #AddUHlJqomVGO2P7T6 by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:27:49.034740Z
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these women lived in the attic or basement of the household, together with their own children.This means that the family children and servants children were growing up together, although obviously separated to a certain degree.There is a common way of saying in the dialect from the place I come from that goes "Chi so mi? El fiol de la serva?" translated it means "Who am I? The son/daughter of the servant?". It's used when you feel you are getting mistreated by your parents or relatives.
(DIR) Post #AddUKpE4kUmJN9ABqS by Eiswald@poa.st
2024-01-08T12:28:22.287502Z
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@RikaDerufu >men did thisffs
(DIR) Post #AddULRw0paVDQQ0obY by Dicer@poa.st
2024-01-08T12:28:28.117734Z
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@RikaDerufu @Jens_Rasmussen @Senator_Armstrong Whore houses, just like today, were not filled by reputable and respectable women. Better to have your 15 year old daughter known by the local rich family as a trustworthy girl.
(DIR) Post #AddUSc99GIpL7jZZiq by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2024-01-08T12:29:46.242531Z
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@RikaDerufu @Dicer @Senator_Armstrong You cannot have the upper classes hire almost half the working class as house servants. There are simply not that many chores to be done.>all the low class women (married or non) who didn't work in a farm Ah, yes. Excluding ~70% of the working class women. And even in towns there are usually ways they can assist their husband's or father's work and duties.
(DIR) Post #AddUZEpAN83IomNv8a by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:30:58.499001Z
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if your point is "most women were working in farms" you are not wrong. Being a farmer was still the most common job.
(DIR) Post #AddUbFItYnVkstFPgu by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2024-01-08T12:31:19.803583Z
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@RikaDerufu @Dicer @Senator_Armstrong The way you are presenting things is so focused around the well-off that it doesn't even seem to register the existence of peasants and town craftsmen.
(DIR) Post #AddUfwqzaIh16uRFjs by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2024-01-08T12:32:11.083213Z
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@RikaDerufu @Dicer @Senator_Armstrong And being the woman on the farm included doing house chores, and realively less field work, compared to men.
(DIR) Post #AddUuq4N5epEPgnTEm by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:34:51.421592Z
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The main point that I'm assuming you missed is that being a SAHM is a relatively new concept related to our higher standards of living (doing house chores is not as tedious as it was many years ago, so you don't really need to hire other people to do it most of the time) and a new way of seeing house chores (we see them as a our duty and not a filthy thing we need to relegate to other people as soon we have the money to do it)
(DIR) Post #AddUzouSpVVEGRXQC8 by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:35:46.448501Z
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Agree. But a 15th century farm woman cannot be compared to a modern day SAHM imo.
(DIR) Post #AddV3ROgBulkV1OiOG by FreeinTX@poa.st
2024-01-08T12:36:25.457375Z
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@Moon @RikaDerufu It's real in my mind.
(DIR) Post #AddV3zHQDPALaMGOnY by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2024-01-08T12:36:27.361736Z
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@RikaDerufu >Women's duties and expectations get easier than ever before>They suddenly don't want those duites anymoreWomen are truly irrational to the point of it being madness.
(DIR) Post #AddVE8Dxod8mDmU1Ee by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2024-01-08T12:38:21.322037Z
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@RikaDerufu Why not? If you live rurally, it is almost entirely possible, and if you do not then the physical workload is simply smaller and the women will have more free time. Alternatively there is room for more time spent on house chores and raising children, so a larger house or family can be maintained than previously.
(DIR) Post #AddVVdFDjhplLsPqKW by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:41:26.118309Z
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I think there's a lot going on in the whole discourse regarding this.If the woman is working full time, if she has a social life, if the kids/husband help with the chores, if she actually enjoys being in a tidy clean space or sees cleaning as a useless chore, if she has pre-existing mental health problems.The relationship with the husband and the kids also matter. If you have shit relationships with them you won't ever feel happy as a sahm. If you work full time and do most of the house chores but you also have a loving relationship with your partner and kids you probably feel 1/10 of the stress the sahm feels.
(DIR) Post #AddVgxwP7xUcj61F6O by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:43:34.244074Z
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Considering that working in the farm was not only for self-sustaining but also to be able to sell the products, I think we have to consider it a job.SAHMs don't do anything for money.A 14th century farm woman is more comparable to a part time working mother of today I believe
(DIR) Post #AddWbivLdIZmeraaW0 by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2024-01-08T12:53:49.157222Z
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@RikaDerufu A household can have a side business selling crops and animal produce in the 21st century, if you live rurally at least.>A 14th century farm woman is more comparable to a part time working mother of today I believeWe can come to an agreement that mothers with extra time on their hands can do unskilled labor part time, but they should not be expected to work full time.
(DIR) Post #AddX3ZE9HLAqgzeyRs by RikaDerufu@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T12:58:51.668777Z
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Are you sure family owning farms were not selling their products in older times? I'm pretty sure they always tried to save some to sell it in order to have money savings. You still need money even if you grow your own food.
(DIR) Post #AddXYm7fNqjRfEVcUS by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2024-01-08T13:04:29.212270Z
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@RikaDerufu Of course they did, that is also what I just suggested - selling produce, although depending on where in the world the peasant family worked, they might just be tenants. Paid a wage to grow the crops and tend the animals, and the actual selling was done by another hireling of the landowner, if not the landowner himself.
(DIR) Post #Adda9PHbSp8zS0kg8O by lichelordgodfrey@poa.st
2024-01-08T13:33:32.141425Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @RikaDerufu The entire idea that women should be competing with men, and thus are "less useful" is entirely because of idiotic feminist logic (much of the worst of it coming from jews like Dworkin, Steinem, etc) and corporate greed. The latter of which can be blamed on jews, but then I am reminded of non-jew capitalists that called out jews also dipping into acquiring cheap, non-White labor against White commoner interests (like Henry Ford) so idk maybe they'd eventually push women into doing more traditionally men's jobs and mix up the workforce so that most job sites are a mix of sexes.
(DIR) Post #AddaMiBQVJP5plCtXs by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2024-01-08T13:35:56.066420Z
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@lichelordgodfrey @RikaDerufu Immigrants work for cheap, and a larger workforce (that is, by including women into it) also drives down wages, but I guess that the managerial people were spreadsheet-brained* long before excel was a thing.*Assuming that 1 worker equals 1 worker, no matter their gender or race