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(DIR) Post #Adcn5sJAi9QwYiAiJ6 by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2024-01-07T23:33:48Z
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I had this argument here and then had it again on X.Was J6 an actual insurrection? Perhaps not, in the sense that not all the attendees intended violence. But should those attending be lionized as 'merely exercising their free speech' when the crowd was gathered to protest what they had been told was a stolen election? So "not quite a mob", but not a useful political action either: you can't force the government to rerun an election fairly won just because you didn't like the outcome. We might as well have had tens of thousands of people converging on Congress to force a rerun of 2016 to protest the DNC having forced a hated candidate to face Trump, demanding that Bernie simply be installed. Curiously, that didn't happen. So the narrow and seemingly technical question is whether Trump is actually convicted of insurrection yet or not.Should that man be allowed to be President again? If a poll were a vote, the answer would be NO, I predict. Yet Dore and Greenwald and the people I've argued with seem to want to defend Trump to the ends of the earth, to see him re-elected as a slap in the face of all those claimed to be trying to "unfairly deny Trump running in 2024." I've admitted violating some of my own preferences to suit other of my own preferences: even if there are not "strictly legal" grounds for excluding Trump [which ought to invalidate excluding Trump], nothing defends Trump but popularity, and "charisma" is a very bad substitute for rational evaluation of candidates, as Reagan and GWBush show. My argument is that: disposing of ALL the garbage -- despite having to 'cheat Trump of a second chance' -- is preferred to any garbage being re-elected.As of now [apart it being for quite some time], I regard it as essential that the Democrats are not reelected; but the polls show that's not much a concern, because people now see that Trump is, oddly, the lesser of two evils. But "we don't deserve Trump either", it's time to flush the toilet completely. It is now a matter of planetary survival that "politics as usual in America" ends. The next President needs to be someone who actually gives a shit about halting and repairing the damage to America and its people. That, I say, supersedes "Trump's personal rights" and the rights of the 53% over 48% to vote for him to /get rid of Biden/.NOBODY'S VOTING FOR BIDEN. Since we KNOW that, we don't need to vote for Trump to stop him. We have the freedom to VOTE FOR A NON-DUOPOLY CANDIDATE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MORE THAN ONE HUNDRED YEARS, something we should have done long ago.What many of us have been waiting for for decades is for "THE REST OF YOU" to get your heads out of your asses that there are only two choices of candidate.
(DIR) Post #Adcn5tijSbTQwH8dmq by Bernard@friends.ravergram.club
2024-01-08T04:23:48Z
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@ecsd They didn't protest because they were just told it was a stolen election but rather because a load of evidence showed that it was. 1. Google rigged things.https://rumble.com/v455lfq-proof-google-is-stealing-elections-w-dr.-robert-epstein.html2. US natsec and MSM suppressed the story about Hunter's laptop and the damning evidence found on it. 51 natsec officials signed a letter saying it was probably Russian disinformation which was a total lie. https://yandex.com/search/?text=biden+laptop+suppressed3. If you watch the movie 2000 Mules, you will see the ballot stuffing.
(DIR) Post #Adcn5uoROrdOKGoiK8 by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2024-01-07T23:40:25Z
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Prior to 2020 election.Of course by now we clearly understand "Bernie" is no longer meaningful.
(DIR) Post #AdcnXM5G78n8j0lfCC by Bernard@friends.ravergram.club
2024-01-08T04:28:47Z
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@ecsd Trump is soaring in popularity and looks like the most likely winner if people are allowed to vote for him. The establishment has already shown they will do anything to prevent that. The big establishment money and influence is going to Nikki now. Her platform is similar to Biden but worse. They want to setup a choice between an old demented warmonger and a younger female one.I agree that 3rd party is the solution, but it can't be at cost of subverting our elections. It won't stand.
(DIR) Post #Add5TAKve9VwJAFVmS by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2024-01-08T07:49:39Z
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@Bernard Wow, thanks for THIS (Epstein piece.)I figured some things out from it, about my own biases. I already noted the attitude "I don't give a shit what's right, I give a shit what's good", now I'll point out that I found my "breaking point": I'll indulge the rational, forensic shit as far as I can, but past that you can fuck off if "what's right" hurts people when reality doesn't demand it. That is, if reality won't play by human rules, why should I a human play by its? The least people can do is cease cooperating, but "having to work for a living" as we see prevents most of that.I don't want to live in a world run by authoritarians. So ///logic dictates/// that I should not enable or abet such a world, as a /prior/ condition; and then anything that runs afoul of that /however otherwise sound/ must be inadmissible.Let us grant all this 'deep state' thuggery and manipulation and agree that the political outcomes would have been as shown sans Google's meddling. As a citizen I must say I'm divided; on the one hand the 'electorate was cheated', but on the other hand 'the result meant the fascists did not control the executive branch', which will always hasten any next revolution. So the elites spared themselves a disaster in the nearer term. So I could be thankful for that.Is that being hypocritical according to reason? Yes. I took a neighborhood poll to show that Trader Joe's had not notified the public prior to construction and a person wouldn't sign it, saying they would as soon the place be built to suit themselves. I couldn't understand that at the time, but now I do. I can complain that her preferences were shallow (booze), but no longer about her attitude, because I share it /as perceived to be needed for 'the greater good'/: it's the SPIRIT of the law, not the LETTER of the law. When those are opposed, we have trouble.{laughs} Perhaps it would have been "cheaper" to just have let Trump win re-election, but that would basically have given us "Biden 2.0" in 2028, and the cycle must be broken. I forget who the god of Chaos is, unless it's Chaos? I'm on his side this time. Anything the Republicans /or/ Democrats want should be avoided. "A pox on both their houses." Neither is the solution to the other.==The laptop bit was addressed in 'interference' above.==Oh, I forgot this thread: I live in a post-dystopian mental world, a world that has agreed ideals. Remember who Google influences: people who haven't "made up their minds." I am not one of those. Beyond that, I have hated Google since about a year after they entered public consciousness. I am many-ways 'broken' but one in particular is very useful: I instinctively resent and resist anything that becomes too popular. The rapid onset of equating 'search' with 'google' I took as a DIRE warning, confirmed, as we see.I don't make allowances for "not knowing" who's good or bad, what's good or bad. Anyone pushing negative things (denial, e.g. anti-welfare) is not to be trusted. The MSM does, however, do a great deal to keep a low-level hum in most people's minds. Distraction.=Let us say that the elites only have to influence a small number of people to throw an election, 50:50 between Jesus and Hitler as it's been so closely lately [image.] There are your Google voters? [shaded area] Then we're doomed.
(DIR) Post #AddmRkgJqFwyTopJBY by Bernard@friends.ravergram.club
2024-01-08T15:51:17Z
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@ecsd Using the simplistic analogy of Jesus verses Hitler, which person do you think the establishment would want in power? Jesus preached that it would be easier for a rich man to enter heaven than for a camel to walk through the eye of a needle. Hitler wanted to bind/fasc corporate and state power together. From that perspective, look who the establishment pushed or rigged into power and who they are promoting now.
(DIR) Post #Adf07ThiXnSqCdNBVQ by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2024-01-09T05:59:09Z
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@Bernard My references to Jesus and Hitler referred to the /images/ people were expected to have. "Jesus" was entirely DNC propaganda.The candidates the duopoly actually ran were Hitler and Mussolini.There is no functional difference between the two parties, in terms of who benefits. The rich benefit, the rest must scratch for crumbs. Society is organized as a power pyramid so the "relatively richer" will keep down the "relatively poorer"."Tain't no Jesus 'round here."