Post AdZgeE5tPphABxDgh6 by Sqaaakoi@wetdry.world
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(DIR) Post #AdRDSkdY91r3iASWnY by HarneyB@decept.org
2024-01-02T14:22:45.758037Z
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@nano Not gonna lie, KDE Discover and the Gnome equivalent have always been sort of fancy looking clunkers compared to apt install [program]". Granted I am currently using Debian so of course a single user wouldn't have root access and it becomes baffling as to why MPV isn't installing/downloading. At least the terminal emulator gives one a more visible case of whatever is going on, as a progress bar can only depict so much.
(DIR) Post #AdRDbO4fOwQwLCGEqG by HarneyB@decept.org
2024-01-02T14:24:20.597447Z
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@nano In my opinion, the best graphical installer was Synaptic but it seems like Debian recently(?) switched away from it so :s_confused:
(DIR) Post #AdSMoLDyOyfg0opFgG by dj3ei@mastodon.radio
2024-01-01T21:29:45Z
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I think you totally nail it:> all you do is <insert 3 or 4 worded command here>Now describe doing the same with some UI. How many screen shots do you need, to replace those three or four words?If it only has a UI and no command line, it rather leaves every user stranded on their own. To share, a command line is so much better!@nano @Natanox
(DIR) Post #AdSMoM9kw8tMu1rOkK by Natanox@chaos.social
2024-01-01T21:57:48Z
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@dj3ei @nano No, it is not.Showing someone a well made UI they'll be able to help themselves as they know how to use their mouse, functions are visible on the screen and menus that logically sort them.Giving someone a CLI command they might be immediately at their current (!) goal, but they're none the wiser. They've learned nothing, they're not able to do anything but instead being told that they may "just learn the command line", something that can take weeks, even months.It's stupid.
(DIR) Post #AdZgOEJ2rKmqDTkBTE by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2024-01-03T03:37:30.973512Z
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@reina @nano @Sqaaakoi Synaptic does take a fuckton of time to load compared to opening a brand new xterm instance and typing "apt install emacs".It's not even comparable.I used it for a while.
(DIR) Post #AdZgVqzvP3XaF9R5pw by Natanox@chaos.social
2024-01-01T20:13:15Z
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@nano This, so much this! I HATE that elitist terminal bullshit some people keep spitting while pretending it's "easier", completely unaware of their own lack of modesty. Like, even with just a teeny tiny bit of humility one should be aware that "easy" is a subjective term and that terminal programs are perhaps the fastest, but most unintuitive thing you can possibly bring up with a learning curve that's not a curve but a fucking 89° brick wall.GUI is THE easiest because you can SEE functions.
(DIR) Post #AdZgVryXlg1vH9nVK4 by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2024-01-03T03:28:55.472971Z
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@Natanox @nano > GUI is THE easiest because you can SEE functions.In theory, anyway. In practice a lot of them fail to do that well.
(DIR) Post #AdZgVsyw1hwAOezKZU by Natanox@chaos.social
2024-01-01T20:19:20Z
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@nano But what do I say. Apparently Linux also doesn't need tools like "Automate" on Android because we have Bash, we can "just make a Bash script, yo".
(DIR) Post #AdZgXrg3qavMvk6UjI by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2024-01-03T03:30:51.916704Z
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@Natanox @nano @dj3ei > menus that logically sort themThose have become pretty rare now.And search features to find the supported commands (contextual or global) in a program aren't nearly as common as they should be. Basically nothing outside of Emacsen (or very closely related software like Nyxt) comes to mind having the feature.
(DIR) Post #AdZgYn3QWOU0siTSYy by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2024-01-03T03:34:33.979354Z
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@nano @dj3ei @Natanox You say that, but I interaction with words done properly hasn't ever caught on.Smalltalk, Lisp Machines, Interlisp and Plan9 all tried and succeeded to varying degrees but they never caught on. McCLIM has similar capacities too.
(DIR) Post #AdZgeE5tPphABxDgh6 by Sqaaakoi@wetdry.world
2024-01-02T03:43:04Z
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@nano i wish i could recommend thse GUI app stores, but things like KDE Discover take time to looooaaaaaaaaaaaddddddAlso it's NOT verbose about flatpak dependencies which absolutely causes confusion
(DIR) Post #AdZgeG85qcdyVMGTOy by Sqaaakoi@wetdry.world
2024-01-02T03:43:40Z
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@nano This sounds wrong, but just going to flathub.org and following the instructions feels much less painful
(DIR) Post #AdZghnSYNs8UkEWPCK by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2024-01-03T03:52:58.622844Z
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@wakame @C_Duv @dj3ei @nano @NatanoxAnd yes, negative points go to "man pages" that use too much text to explain stuff, making them almost unusable to me.I think manpages would be better if they were formatted/displayed more similarly to texinfo/info manuals.It'd be less overwhelming, in the case of manuals that aren't "Placeholder manpage, check our site for docs".Said html documentation users should also produce info manual versions of their docs. They're a lot friendlier to keep & browse locally.My arguments for CLI is better accessibility for blind people (because text-to-speech doesn't begin to rattle down every option it sees on the GUI) and people with bad concentration (e.g. brain fog, ADHD).Yeah, that's also part of my current criticism with most GUIs.Emacspeak provides an example of what a reasonable/smart GUI support can do. It wouldn't be impossible to add something very similar to McCLIM either.