Post AdYEzPCkJIxcrCmAsa by louis@emacs.ch
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 (DIR) Post #AdYB2eSfdtynEAW7No by zyd@emacs.ch
       2024-01-05T19:05:44Z
       
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       Within the next 5 years we're going to have to apply custom patches to Firefox to remove whatever AI bullshit they're going to include, watch.https://techcrunch.com/2024/01/03/whats-next-for-mozilla/
       
 (DIR) Post #AdYBRZlYEm5tu8EVoO by mms@emacs.ch
       2024-01-05T23:03:07Z
       
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       @zyd luckily we’ve already have good forks
       
 (DIR) Post #AdYEz5xrqOlnBYfWYC by adx@hachyderm.io
       2024-01-05T23:05:13Z
       
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       @zyd @louis They’ve been working in this space for years.  Mozilla did a lot speech to text machine learning work and made it all open source as Deep Speech. It’s in a ton of products now.
       
 (DIR) Post #AdYEzKfdAU5wnLFfhw by zyd@emacs.ch
       2024-01-05T23:21:58Z
       
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       @adx @louis To be clear, I'm less critical of machine learning techniques when put to socially useful ends like translation or speech to text and the like in cases where the technology is very clear about itself: being a tool that might be helpful but without misleading guarantees. In contrast to that, Mozilla seems to be signalling the inevitability of putting ChatGPT clones where they don't belong, like their browser. Perhaps replacing components of traditional functionality or whatever other terrible feature integration they'll devise. Forced annoyances via statistical deceit machines with customer-support sounding faces is what we'll have to patch out.
       
 (DIR) Post #AdYEzPCkJIxcrCmAsa by louis@emacs.ch
       2024-01-05T23:42:42Z
       
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       @zyd @adx Fully agree. Sneaking in GPTs in whatever tool you use for no good reason is undesirable. Unfortunately Mozilla is going down the wrong path (again), by investing in what ultimately only profits Google. There is still the Pale Moon browser project, that is a very well maintained fork of an older version of Firefox, and is using the Goanna rendering engine:http://www.palemoon.org/„Web standards“ are driven so fast and heavy by Google that it is very unlikely for independent browsers (meaning: independent rendering engines) to likely appear. The Web as we know it is officially doomed by big tech, constantly „auto-updated“ and Mozilla contributed to that big time, all neatly arranged by their Google-paid CEOs.Alternatives? Gopher will always be there, but Gemini IMHO missed the train by freezing their spec too early, before it could grow into something more useable than Gopher already is.So, what is the escape plan?
       
 (DIR) Post #AdYGVc0IMIcZm2sCuG by zyd@emacs.ch
       2024-01-05T23:59:51Z
       
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       @louis @adx Personally I don't think it'd ever be worth it to escape the web, especially to anything whose premise is less features. I don't find minimalism to be a useful goal. I don't know enough about rendering engines to comment in-depth but one technical approach that might help would be modular layers that help writing implementations of rendering engines? Like what SICL is trying to do for Common Lisp implementations:SICL is a new implementation of Common Lisp. It is intentionally divided into many implementation-independent modules that are written in a totally or near-totally portable way, so as to allow other implementations to incorporate these modules from SICL, rather than having to maintain their own, perhaps implementation-specific versions.A technical way to distribute the load of what needs to be implemented. Maybe this type of thing already exists?