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(DIR) Post #AdWOozOI2c4f7uvZYW by Rasterman@detroitriotcity.com
2024-01-05T02:23:05.235191Z
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Turns out Christianity is redundant as a religion. You don't need Jesus, after all.
(DIR) Post #AdWPTDYSna6SdgrufQ by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T02:30:45.496372Z
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@Rasterman previous dispensation
(DIR) Post #AdWQ9IFtiETTNdFQRs by echo@stereophonic.space
2024-01-05T02:38:26.269048Z
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@Rasterman New Spanish Inquisition when?
(DIR) Post #AdWQpHiy4rNvtZrteC by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T02:46:04Z
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@rasterman a lot of protestants think this, too, sometimes called "the special judgement" or similar.... one wonders where they got the idea.The less one knows of one's faith, the easier it is for others to fill in the gaps with whatever suits them.
(DIR) Post #AdWR6LecieYT0TyMlM by xenodemon@varishangout.net
2024-01-05T02:49:08.317544Z
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@Rasterman https://poast.tv/w/aNnFmdyk9NUzMWCdqSrfmR
(DIR) Post #AdWRzQozD2yexY5MXI by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2024-01-05T02:59:02.844703Z
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I know conservative/libertarians who believe in universal salvation.The trouble with saying "wonders where they got he idea" and "one knows of one's faith" is that the history isn't clear; it's quite bizarre. The modern evangelical Christian in his or her current form is really less than a century old. The early church had several different variants from Gnostic to Pauline Christianity.You also had the Nazoræans, the Hebrew Gospel and the Book of Adam, none of which resemble the four gospels known today as canonical. On my bookshelf I've also got the Nag Hammadi library with things in it like the Gospel of Thomas (similar to the 4, but written like Proverbs with some significant differences).Emperor Constantine style Christianity is really what set the tone and baseline morality for what we have today, but it wasn't a straight line to where we are today.
(DIR) Post #AdWSKa5dwaH5mqxg0m by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:02:56Z
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@djsumdog @rasterman The early church did not have several variants. There were several variant groups of claiming Christ. The early church, the body of Christ, has always had the same testimony.The canon was established around 350 precisely because of variant texts. The ecumenical councils occurred to deal with these same variants.The most generous think to be said of the "variants" is that they walked a path that was not subsequently paved and agreed upon to be the way,.
(DIR) Post #AdWSQkOeXMSTUQnFg0 by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:04:03Z
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@djsumdog @rasterman Constantine's influence was mostly requiring bishops to come together and hammer the issues that were causing controversy and disruption through the empire, he was not any kind of "architect" in this sense.
(DIR) Post #AdWSVGoXx1XfBp3suW by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:04:45.984189Z
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@jeremiah @djsumdog @Rasterman no current popular church resembles the church in 200AD
(DIR) Post #AdWSVf9HTaO6f4wmYq by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:04:56Z
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@djsumdog @rasterman Christian morality was laid down by Christ, it was not the invention of Paul or Constantine.
(DIR) Post #AdWSYSlBzcVV6l10Ai by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:05:26Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog depends on what you mean by "resembles." What do you mean?
(DIR) Post #AdWSo1S5I9bn2wUrrc by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:08:09.526114Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog early church quoted books considered non doctrinal now, they are necessary for understanding
(DIR) Post #AdWT1CwprSeaSuASiu by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:10:38Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog indeed, such as the book of Enoch. That's fair, but it does not legitimize every book that is outside the canon; many non-canonical books are included in the biblical canon of the ancient church, such as the deuterocanonical texts.
(DIR) Post #AdWT3AkJ1H7aDNFB8C by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2024-01-05T03:10:55.193072Z
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I never said he was an architect, but he did bring Christianity into the fold of the empire .. and there was always a push and pull. Christianity did become more pagan over time (Easter, Christmas and other traditions merged the existing with the new).And there certainly were some pretty big variants! Christianity didn't start spreading until almost a full generation after when Jesus supposedly died/resurrected (The God Who Wasn't There, 2005, Flemming). I use to be a born again/evangelical from 1996 ~ 2003 ... I haven't really started looking at that time until recently. I think Christianity is incredibly important to the development of the western world, and non-theists dismiss it way too easily; but I think it's way more complex than true believers thing it is. I wrote this a few weeks back:https://battlepenguin.com/philosophy/faith/deconstructing-faith-and-removing-retaining-walls/I also found this random Kiwifarmer's take really interesting:https://kiwifarms.hk/threads/2023-israel-palestine-armed-conflict.173114/page-666#post-17013484and lately I've been going through these, which are really interesting looks at Gnostic/Paulean ideology:https://sacred-texts.com/gno/fff/fff12.htmhttps://sacred-texts.com/gno/fff/fff13.htm
(DIR) Post #AdWT5UmPVMMovbKtP6 by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:11:21.820813Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog I consider the book of enoch and the book of adam and eve to be indispensable.
(DIR) Post #AdWT7YQWuqv6oo5E4O by olmitch@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:11:47.298044Z
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Any love for the Nag Hammadi Library?
(DIR) Post #AdWT8rXPLbYCNavMXI by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:12:00.121944Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog Real Christianity is very weird.
(DIR) Post #AdWTBkLYXZQewfkvPk by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:12:32Z
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@djsumdog @rasterman the church was long established at the time Constantine was reigning. He legalized the faith, but that's still not any kind of defining role.The result of the legalization brought up the divisions that had been less of a concern when Christianity (of any stripe) was underground / dangerous.
(DIR) Post #AdWTFCbvuZgTTR41eS by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:13:10Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog absolutely correct.
(DIR) Post #AdWTKqX4uXlSjjU5g0 by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:14:11Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog which book of Adam? Several texts bear that name.
(DIR) Post #AdWTOA3mlSjcAXMbcO by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:14:42.851193Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog I'll dig it up sometime it's specifically "the book of adam and eve"
(DIR) Post #AdWTSGZ6WKi1VDyChM by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:15:31Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog is that the 6th century Ethiopian text?
(DIR) Post #AdWTWzyPdU35UZ43KC by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:16:22Z
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@ageha @rasterman @djsumdog @Moon took about three days.
(DIR) Post #AdWTfR70cQgNyg6npo by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:17:51.075615Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog yes
(DIR) Post #AdWTig6bKWmrLcSobY by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:18:29Z
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@olmitch @rasterman @djsumdog @Moon it's an interesting collection, and fills in the blanks from "the other side."Kurt Rudolph's book Gnosis is excellent on the topic:https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/789185.Gnosis
(DIR) Post #AdWTsWMIQJnE0wUxl2 by olmitch@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:20:16.436814Z
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I'm inclined to think that Journeys Out of the Body and Far Journeys by Robert Monroe ought to be on the same shelf
(DIR) Post #AdWTtVFK2rSYqyhkrA by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:20:22.416991Z
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@ageha @Rasterman @djsumdog @jeremiah I believe there are precursor revelation of Christ older than Judaism, and numerous attempts to co-opt revelations of His arrival. Strictly speaking I don't believe a book has to be literally true to be inspired though.
(DIR) Post #AdWTvKErwPEvIIMUL2 by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:20:45Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog the Ethiopian church has quite a trove; books otherwise lost to history. The story of Robert the Bruce's trip there is exciting and enlightening (that's how we got the book of Enoch back in circulation, though, a Greek palimpsest has been more recently discovered.)
(DIR) Post #AdWU0eJuhrM51VGB16 by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:21:42.319726Z
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@jeremiah @olmitch @Rasterman @djsumdog gnosticism is older than Christianity and was absorbed into it, it has some truths
(DIR) Post #AdWU382t9vEznITkrQ by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:22:11Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @ageha there's no doubt. The church teaches that the trinity appears even in Genesis, and Genesis is known to include stories that predate the earliest Hebrew texts, including the flood and the garden. Christ has always been here, and always will be.
(DIR) Post #AdWU4zFGqiTb509lcu by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:22:31Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch what truths? And how was it absorbed? Like, where?
(DIR) Post #AdWU9CG0Ph96arVXVY by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:23:15.885018Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch you still might be killed if you say it
(DIR) Post #AdWUAXD2035FrfkptY by olmitch@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:23:31.817510Z
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The way threaded conversations work on the fedi really does a great job of simulating that awkward feeling of being in a conversation but not being in the conversation at the same time
(DIR) Post #AdWUBmZ0OjPfm7cyKu by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:23:45Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch well, someone did or there wouldn't be the claim. Can you point me to it?
(DIR) Post #AdWUDGQKrd8ufsHLay by olmitch@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:24:01.472865Z
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That's it, asking the AI golum
(DIR) Post #AdWUHdt5ZIAMbWodXM by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:24:43.559098Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch gonna stay vague here but some of them understood who the serpent was and what he was doing.
(DIR) Post #AdWUIXzkxgm2cQMkhk by olmitch@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:24:58.780658Z
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(DIR) Post #AdWUIlOh8HRkBX8Lse by toiletpaper@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:25:01.334252Z
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Pretty well all the moral and theological concepts claimed by Christianity were bastardised from Platonism by way of Neoplatonism and Hermeticism, which in turn received it from the Geto-Dacian/Thracian teachings of Zalmoxis (as stated verbatim by Socrates/Plato in Charmides). That includes the doctrine of the immortality of the soul, the supernal monad, universal love, and so on and on. Christianity is a childish superstition and violent mass delusion (just as stated verbatim by it's Pagan contemporaries ~2000 years ago) which was almost 100% stolen and plagiarised from Pagan teachings which preceded it by millennia. Constantine was a psychopath who was instrumental in bringing all this about.
(DIR) Post #AdWUMEFaJWuOXXWc1w by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2024-01-05T03:25:33.251259Z
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The Ethiopian church also claims to have the Arc of the Covenant located at Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion.
(DIR) Post #AdWUO76PrQ5swz8RU0 by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:25:57.819062Z
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@olmitch @jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog I'm not talking about dualism, that part is a heresy
(DIR) Post #AdWUPqdQ3f4SSKOoHQ by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2024-01-05T03:26:16.409297Z
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I agree! (Or not, I don't know, I didn't expand the thread to check)
(DIR) Post #AdWUQoIEFZltTywja4 by Sabex@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:26:28Z
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@toiletpaper @rasterman @djsumdog @jeremiah
(DIR) Post #AdWUQsD3gk0pd6Yf4q by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:26:28Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch the church doesn't really do the "esoteric wisdom" thing. That's specific to the gnostics -- the idea that their wisdom is only for the elite and cannot be shared with the outsider. This is the same perspective as Kabbalah/Talmud, freemasonry, etc: "It's true, but I can't tell you because it's a secret."
(DIR) Post #AdWURX1nvUN6E4bkjA by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:26:34.088355Z
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@ageha @Rasterman @djsumdog @jeremiah we don't have intact documentation of the events of genesis either from scripture or revelation.
(DIR) Post #AdWUTqvOvCoOVuifjs by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:27:01Z
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@toiletpaper @rasterman @djsumdog [citation needed]
(DIR) Post #AdWUWseYx536k8Hsau by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:27:32.215876Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch esoteric knowledge is not required for the lowest level of salvation.
(DIR) Post #AdWUYwBwlcDMIRsplI by olmitch@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:27:56.534854Z
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Okay I just asked Kagi straight up "does gnosticism predate christianity?|"Based on the information provided:Gnosticism may have emerged before Christianity in some respects, as **some teachings identified with gnosticism may have emerged before Christianity did** [1]. However, most sources acknowledge that **there are no Gnostic texts which date unambiguously to before the late first century AD** [2][3]. While **proto-Gnostic groups were among the first Christians** [4], there is **no impirical evidence that Gnosticism was the original form of Christianity** [5]. The four gospels which reliably date to the late first century are not Gnostic in nature.Overall, it seems that while certain gnostic ideas may have predated Christianity, **Gnosticism as a coherent religious movement likely emerged in the first or second century AD, after Christianity** [2][6]. The relationship between early Gnosticism and Christianity is complex, with influences in both directions.[1] [Does gnosticism predate Christianity? | Britannica](https://www.britannica.com/question/Does-gnosticism-predate-Christianity) [2] [Gnosticism - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism) [3] [Pre-Christian Gnosticism, the New Testament and Nag Hammadi in ...](https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/themelios/article/pre-christian-gnosticism-the-new-testament-and-nag-hammadi-in-recent-debate/) [4] [Were Gnostics the first Christians? : r/Gnostic](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gnostic/comments/qniup8/were_gnostics_the_first_christians/) [5] [Was Gnosticism the original form of Christianity? - Quora](https://www.quora.com/Was-Gnosticism-the-original-form-of-Christianity) [6] [CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Gnosticism](https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06592a.htm)
(DIR) Post #AdWUZnxcr4qR3fb9w8 by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:28:05Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch yeah. That's definitely gnostic/freemasonic bullshit. I mean, if you're going to bring it into the conversation, at least give a source.
(DIR) Post #AdWUaXLc6jlrp6AS4e by olmitch@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:28:10.996521Z
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Levels?!
(DIR) Post #AdWUb2gbajyx1BE9b6 by ElDeadKennedy@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:28:18.841613Z
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@olmitch @jeremiah @Moon @Rasterman @djsumdog anime girl said VIVA CRISTO REY
(DIR) Post #AdWUcmG5dkwaeDeVGK by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:28:35.691470Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch I unironically saw it in revelation
(DIR) Post #AdWUeYD2qTrted4cmu by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:28:57Z
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@olmitch @rasterman @djsumdog @Moon gnosticism isn't "a belief system", it's a tendancy towards the idea of personal revelation, secret knowledge, and self-salvation through that knowledge. It moves the locus from God's grace (in the Christian tradition) to the individual.
(DIR) Post #AdWUfa7FF7FxrAqtdI by olmitch@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:29:08.098778Z
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She stomped her foot, debate over
(DIR) Post #AdWUgYhpyCB5m2Qy00 by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:29:19Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch then you could perhaps favor us with a chapter and verse number?
(DIR) Post #AdWUhvDzjPoPu67pmi by olmitch@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:29:33.952789Z
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#shitmoonsaysthatworriesme
(DIR) Post #AdWUl4uy9J3MpqjPLE by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:30:04.377354Z
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@olmitch @Rasterman @djsumdog @jeremiah the first christians were not gnostics. gnosticism was incorporated into Christianity later.> Gnosticism as a coherent religious movement likely emerged in the first or second century AD1. it is an esoteric movement2. it becomes public when it's over
(DIR) Post #AdWUndwYtZno2phQOm by olmitch@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:30:35.994773Z
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"I knew the Lord before it was cool"
(DIR) Post #AdWUrYF22OMvWCCamm by Sabex@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:31:18Z
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@jeremiah @toiletpaper @rasterman @djsumdog where do we start on that onehttps://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/12453#https://archive.org/details/diogeneslaertius0000diog/page/60/mode/2up#:~:text=Put,gods%2C%20reverence%20parents.Let me keep digging
(DIR) Post #AdWUv6jSG5QNMG7zkW by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:31:56Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch again, I'd recommend Rudolph's book on the topic.Gnosticism is a class, and never converged on a "gnostic orthodoxy". Of those faiths, the Mandeans still exist. The largest and most impactful were the Manicheans.Modern gnostic cults include freemasonry. They tend to claim antiquity as an origin, but are only related in their esoteric elitism.
(DIR) Post #AdWV3WQibAbHNJNP16 by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:33:26.185395Z
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@jeremiah @olmitch @Rasterman @djsumdog gnosticism was also an epithet that meant "people who believe things I don't like" sort of like nazi now, it originates with a real group of people but not necessarily when invoked. but you had groups like ophites that existed in some form before christianity that unambiguously were
(DIR) Post #AdWVAqQ2g5onOgYGzg by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:34:44.249568Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch yes I know. there were several groups in that vague class. but don't mistake the vague class to mean that the groups themselves didn't have a consistent identity before thy got called that other word
(DIR) Post #AdWVDldQvB4pQdD1Um by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:35:19Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch again, at the time, so called "gnostics" would not have called themselves "gnostics."The term comes from Gnosis, which might be best translated from the Greek as "experiential knowledge" or more generically esoteric knowledge.https://www.etymonline.com/word/GnosisI've never heard it used specifically as a term of abuse anywhere, but would love to see an example.
(DIR) Post #AdWVIBL9IBG0JGlI2K by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2024-01-05T03:36:01.046960Z
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I think the core philosophy of Jesus is the idea that the promise is now open to everyone. Prior, religions were the means of saying "Our group of people is special." (Insert Nina Paley's This land is Mind).The ideology of Jesus (the one that grew and survived) said God's promise now extends to all people, not just x people. The later offshoots of Ashkenazi Jews (survivors of Emperor Hadrian's crushing of the Jewish rebellion) were not in-favor of the idea that all people were given a covenant by God. The Islamic caliphates appeared later, also from a desire of a war-messiah.The Romans/Greeks didn't have issue with abortions or infanticide. Oddly enough it was the Jews (and later the Christians) who were against abandoning or killing babies .. and this idea of equality under God is probably the defining philosophy of western morality based on that faith. It's that later Christian development that is the foundation of British Common Law, and I think it was the ideology that eventually eroded slavery (took a few hundred years)When you think about it in that context, the idea of universal salvation really isn't that far fetched at all, but it does break one of the emergent purposes of religions: a unified basis of morality. When the moral Overton Window shifts, religions either adapt or they split.With woke churches growing, I think Christianity in 50 years will be greatly indistinguishable from what we have now.
(DIR) Post #AdWVQXeYDWYzpRp6C8 by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:37:35.297203Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch again I know, we call them that because the early church fathers called them that, there are groups we don't know anything about except they were accused of it.gnosis is knowing and faith is trusting that is why it is a heresy. preference for luciferian light over church mysteries, exaltation of self and exclusion.
(DIR) Post #AdWVUDGJyIehkKEy5A by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:38:17Z
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@djsumdog @rasterman @Moon @ageha The eastern church has not much net "shifted" in 2,000 years. If what a church or individual teaches contradicts Christ, then you can be certain it is not the Church.
(DIR) Post #AdWVWdjwUzTeRdFk4u by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:38:40.369205Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch if you don't want me to say gnostic I can just say Mystery Babylon.
(DIR) Post #AdWVi5dR7s8u93fZVg by toiletpaper@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:40:46.840863Z
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Christianity as it's now understood didn't exist until the 3rd century and was a product of the Councils of Nicea ensuing from edicts of Constantine the butcher (who murdered his son and boiled his wife alive in a bathtub). Prior to that it was all Gnostics and syncretic Judeo/Christo-Pagan mystery cults, largely riffing off Orphism. Even the Old Testament didn't exist until the 3rd century. The only extant copy of the Pentateuch is written in Greek in the 3rd century (the Septuagint). Prior to that is only a small handful of fragments, mostly in the context of magical amulets and spells. All but 9 of the books of the NT are fraudulent (pseudoepigraphia). The book of revelations for instance, was not written by Paul, but by John of Patmos, who never met Paul, neither of whom were or met any disciples of Jesus. Moreover none of the churches John was writing to even existed until the 3rd century. It's a huge steaming pile of bullshit from begining to end. If you're interested in early Christianity, I recommend works by Dr. M. David Litwa (eg. Found Christianities). They resemble Pagan mystery cults more than anything like the Christianity of today, because that's precisely what they were. Even Martin Luther explicitly derived his ideas from Deceneu & Burebista based on the teachings of Zalmoxis which predate Christianity by up to 6 thousand years.
(DIR) Post #AdWVluZOCyj6z8bBbc by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:41:29Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch call totally fair descriptions in both cases.Mystery Babylon almost certain will/does count as such.My concern is just being specific in the sense that saying, "Gnostics believed you could get to an enlightened state through depravity and debauchery" was certainly true of at least a few, but is not representative of the whole.Neoplatonists and Mandeans would have had little in common even if they did recognize that bit in each other. " " " Manicheans.
(DIR) Post #AdWVmyjcD07eBxtHhw by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2024-01-05T03:41:35.540534Z
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Well the Snake/Devil in Genesis appears everywhere, thousands of years prior. Quetzalcoatl with the Aztecs, and even Gobekli Tepe shows a snake in the sky.I personally subscribe to Graham Hancock's theory that 11k to 12k years ago, in the Younger Dryas, a comet likely broke apart and caused a global cataclysm. The ice age meant 100+ meter thick ice sheets absorbed the impacts and a lot of the geological evidence (though some still does exist in the sediment layers).The survivors all wrote stories about floods and the great evil snake in the sky. The Satan/Snake story is just another version of that old collective memory, passed though a few thousand year old game of telephone.
(DIR) Post #AdWVugIAf6BlJGj7IG by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:43:02.213180Z
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@toiletpaper @olmitch @Rasterman @djsumdog @jeremiah If you are going to compare early Christians to a mystery cult I would direct you to my first post in this thread and agree with you.> Martin Luther explicitly derived his ideas from Deceneu & Burebista based on the teachings of Zalmoxis which predate Christianity by up to 6 thousand years.Again note my contributions, but you will probably disagree with my frame that these were prevelation.
(DIR) Post #AdWW2WTf2K9VBdq9g0 by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:44:26.804807Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch "real gnostics" were deathly concerned with avoiding offspring and trapping new souls in meat prisons.
(DIR) Post #AdWW6WR58JRkDSXb5U by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2024-01-05T03:44:53.630507Z
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I like it. If you use the right client, it will render everything like a Reddit threads, but it's also nice to duck out when you're done and come back the next day with 50 notices and see the remnant of some discussion you started before you went to bed .. feels good to make a good conversation.
(DIR) Post #AdWWAAa6KUwjasUzWS by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:45:47.172127Z
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@djsumdog @Rasterman @jeremiah @ageha the snake is just a guy and a divergent creation parallel to humanity just like my neon genesis evangelions said. also his descendents are still around.
(DIR) Post #AdWWBFjIfp7BqoJmfA by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:46:04Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch @toiletpaper Martin Luther is regarded as a heretic by the two major branches of the faith.There's a kind of "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" thing going on there: Rome calves from the church over the issue of papal vs. conciliar authority. Protestants calve from Rome and give rise to literally thousands of One True Ways.
(DIR) Post #AdWWGhwnBkk0oXEKcS by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:47:00.792980Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch @toiletpaper nobody in this thread actually has to take me seriously at all after I admitted that I know this because of personal revelation
(DIR) Post #AdWWJjYVfJ1WffJas4 by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:47:35Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch this was pronounced among the Manicheans, but not the Mandeans. It appeared later with the Cathars, as well that were very similar structurally and in practice to the Manicheans, with their "elect" being sexless vegans, and their "hearers" living less ascetic lives supporting them.
(DIR) Post #AdWWSayivNCMfwnmS0 by Moon@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:49:08.878232Z
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@jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch the cathars are very interesting itsd a shame that scholarly works of them have never been translated out of french into english
(DIR) Post #AdWWeMKvBl76jtnIlE by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:51:19Z
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch i didn't have much trouble; Cathars and Bogomils were described in detail in Rudolph's book.
(DIR) Post #AdWWfCYX2OtkhAYuC8 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T03:51:28.307023Z
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@annsterzinger is in a unique position in this context, being a proven fr->eng translator and married to a cathar
(DIR) Post #AdWWpDHfBbONqgRhcO by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2024-01-05T03:53:17Z
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@jeffcliff @rasterman @djsumdog @annsterzinger @Moon @olmitch modern Cathars? How's that work? Anything like modern "Templar Knights"?
(DIR) Post #AdWaXQs0KmEEacDlLs by toiletpaper@shitposter.club
2024-01-05T04:34:54.172767Z
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> Oddly enough it was the Jews (and later the Christians) who were against abandoning or killing babies .. and this idea of equality under God is probably the defining philosophy of western morality based on that faith.Numbers 5:11–31, aka: the ordeal of the bitter water... is a prescribed abortion for cases of adultery. The Buybull is chockoblock full of infanticide and explicit religiously demanded inequality between men and women, and adults/children. Besides which, let them be known by their fruits... We have 2000 years of evidence to that effect.As to universal salvation, it is only meaningful because Abrahamic religion is exclusive/elitist and ethnocentric. Salvation is a staple of prior Pagan religions and was never by any means exclusive, except perhaps on the basis of initiation into a particular mystery tradition (of which people were always free to join as many as they liked). The term for it is "Soterism" which is practically ubiquitous to Pagan religions predating Abrahamic religion, and continues to be to this day, including the doctrine of immortality of the soul.In terms of Islam, the Ka'aba was originally a Pagan temple housing 360 shrines (including Jesus, Mary and Abraham) which was built to foster peace between warring tribes. Similarly Ramadan, the Hajj, etc, were Pagan festivals and practices. All Mohammed did was destroy the spirit of peace by instituting his own bigotry in their place, albeit privileging the Goddess of his own tribe (Anat, aka: Ashura, Isthar, etc) who remains to this day as the black stone (a baetylus).Abrahamic religion has done nothing more than replace sincere spirituality with psychopathic narcissistic superstitions.
(DIR) Post #AdXEH3jUaQpGMbzFuC by chainsaw_appreciator@nicecrew.digital
2024-01-05T12:00:08.742865Z
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Sacking the Vatican LFG
(DIR) Post #Adb04ffRc62RWe8FJg by toiletpaper@shitposter.club
2024-01-07T07:39:52.449307Z
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Have you ever encountered the term "metempsychosis"? That's the Hellenic Greek concept of transmigration (ie. reincarnation) of souls. In Judaism the similar concept is Gilgul. Indo-European myths (incl. Hellenic) have very similar concepts of the soul's evolution right across the board. Mind you the specifics varied between traditions, and a lot of the context was deliberately destroyed by Abrahamites with a vengeance against Paganism, in spite of their plagiarising the idea for their own use. Nor is it exclusive to that strain of religions, but a concept which spans the whole globe, in arguably the majority of cultures tmk.
(DIR) Post #AdbDA5wEfJbRr4u0zQ by toiletpaper@shitposter.club
2024-01-07T10:06:31.162126Z
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orphism, pythagoreanism, platonism, neoplatonism, hermeticism, etc. that's just the major schools among the greeks, never mind india (brahmanism, buddhism, jainism, etc, etc), manichæanism, various gnostic schools, including christianity as per origen, jerome, augustine, albigensians, cathari, etc. not to mention pretty much the whole of north and south american indigenous people, polynesia, etc. africa too (not just egypt) though the specifics vary, particularly in west africa (eg. vodou, ifa, odinani, etc) where it's less reincarnation of the same soul, as it is inheritance of a social role held by one's ancestor(s) whose soul's character continues to manifest through successive generations.arguably it's the idea of not reincarnating which is the exception to the rule. mind you, most of the western world has seemingly been at least nominally brainwashed into "believing in" a bastardised semitic pseudohistorical fantasy novel as the sole inerrant description of reality. so, I get that familiarity with the broader landscape of religious experience isn't exactly on the radar of most joe-6-pack types in middle america.
(DIR) Post #AddECUjVSX7wENs2fA by toiletpaper@shitposter.club
2024-01-08T09:27:33.020158Z
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Of course the idea of reincarnation is a bit too vague to capture all the nuance of the diversity of associated beliefs.But for some examples... don't forget Thracian/Zalmoxian religion which was also folded into Orphism and it's descendents.Then for some South American examples, Xibalba among certain Maya groups (eg. Yucatec, K'iche, etc) can include a concept of reincarnation, often associated with the Maize God (just as the Corn King / Green Man of Europe, etc). Also the Inca. Two massive empires spanning several present day nation states.Aztecs are North American, but also believed that there're more than one underworld a soul could arrive to before waiting 4 years to reincarnate (in the case of warriors as a hummingbird or butterfly). Also Huitzilopochtli’s mythic reincarnation as a hummingbird. Then Mandan, Lenape, Huron/Wendat, and for more Amerindian reincarnation concepts...http://library.lol/main/E46F29ED0ABBDE7BDB30D71B34732BFDI can't name every example, but suffice it to say it's a ubiquitous (ie. widespread) belief among *all* peoples the world over.