Post AdVdgeX90ZCUHEam4e by railmeat@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AdVRLjIqshf9XQAD3Y by kyle@mastodon.kylerank.in
2024-01-04T15:17:07Z
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My personal laptop runs bluefin-dx, while my family's computers run some version of Debian. On those computers I've very recently had to go in and perform some post-update surgery to fix things that updates broke. This has thankfully been something that doesn't happen frequently, but all the same, I can't wait until we upgrade their hardware and I switch them over to bluefin. Automatic updates on immutable images is the way to go for the future of the Linux desktop.
(DIR) Post #AdVYFHrShBwAN2E9Ee by kyle@mastodon.kylerank.in
2024-01-04T16:34:24Z
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I used to be against automatic updates, but bluefin changed my mind. I draw a distinction between *installing* software (exerting control over what runs on my computer) and *updating* already-installed software, which is a maintenance task.I *had* to update manually in the past, because updates sometimes broke things, and knowing what changed made regressions easier to troubleshoot.Updates are more reliable on immutable systems, so I'm comfortable delegating/automating package maintenance.
(DIR) Post #AdVZox5JWHnCJQHCyG by jlcrawf@social.librem.one
2024-01-04T16:52:08Z
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@kyle I a mostly still against them. I am ok with it being an option, but I will not use any system that requires automatic updates.
(DIR) Post #AdVc5o24d3CF4IvQrg by kyle@mastodon.kylerank.in
2024-01-04T17:17:35Z
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@jlcrawf I don't believe bluefin *requires* them, and I believe you can disable the service (or otherwise even if you couldn't, you could easily respin the image to disable it), however they *are* on by default.
(DIR) Post #AdVdgeX90ZCUHEam4e by railmeat@fosstodon.org
2024-01-04T17:35:19Z
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@kyle Automatic updates are one of the best things that has happened to computing. It has made users safer and made the whole computing ecosystem less dangerous. I don't think very many people have the ability and motivation to check the updates before installing them. It makes sense for it to be an option people can turn off.
(DIR) Post #AdVgKiuEN3gxKTcqHo by rbrown@social.librem.one
2024-01-04T18:05:01Z
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@kyle Did you move on completely from Qubes these days?
(DIR) Post #AdVhwYDieFfz99LIPY by kyle@mastodon.kylerank.in
2024-01-04T18:23:04Z
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@rbrown I stopped using Qubes *personally* when I started using a Librem 5 as a laptop. Of course I was using Qubes *professionally* at that time.I tested bluefin on a mini PC a number of months ago and really liked the experience and starting using it as a personal desktop for video meetings. Recently I decided I wanted to use bluefin-dx full time and set up a laptop w/ it. I don't really need the security guarantees Qubes provides for my personal computing right now.
(DIR) Post #AdViKru17bwZ8jir44 by rbrown@social.librem.one
2024-01-04T18:27:28Z
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@kyle ah yes. That makes sense. One thing I always hated about Fedora was the requirement to reinstall like every 6 months or whatever since Redhat doesn’t really care and Fedora is just their testing playground and a release based model. Can bluefin just be upgraded perpetually?
(DIR) Post #AdVim4DTRnIb9JnCT2 by kyle@mastodon.kylerank.in
2024-01-04T18:32:23Z
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@rbrown Yup, because it's image-based and immutable, the base OS image can automatically update (safely!) in the background, and by default it does. Your userspace apps are all flatpaks and those update automatically in the background (by default) as well. If there ever *were* some sort of issue with an update, their CI system ideally would catch it before it got pushed out, but if a regression did get on your system you could just revert to the previous, working image. Pretty slick.
(DIR) Post #AdWNdiWiIkRPgSveSW by 10leej@fosstodon.org
2024-01-05T02:10:15Z
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@kyle @UniversalBlue in the meantime I'm often frustrated by what the ublue team is pre packaging in their images.
(DIR) Post #AdWNeJTouT6yICrMaO by 10leej@fosstodon.org
2024-01-05T02:10:16Z
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@kyle @UniversalBlue in the meantime I'm often frustrated by what the ublue team is pre packaging in their images.