Post AdNJ7RTvzRAJJYLP7I by sharutiaburaddofouren@cawfee.club
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(DIR) Post #AdIz5Y2RKmLFDpEBQe by sharutiaburaddofouren@cawfee.club
2023-12-29T15:03:55.429666Z
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When it comes to salvation people are sadly lazy and stubborn. They won't go through the effort to see if what you claim about their religion is true or notThis isn't unique to low IQ religions like islam, the roman church and eastern church are just as false and make claims that can be easily refuted and/or are not apparent in the history they claim. The natural fallen man hates God's Word so whenever he is exposed to it, even when he thinks he's following Christianity he shrinks back or ignores itIt's plain and simple all you'd need is Romans 3:28 or Ephesians 2:8-10 and the roman church is defeated. Bible says faith without works, they practice this bizarre concept of faith 'cooperating with grace'. even though Ephesians literally says that you have faith by grace, and THIS IS NOT OF YOURSELVES--NOR WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST. It's why they can read(or likely haven't read because that is common to find them who've never read the bible, just a handful of approved passages by the church) Matthew 16 and somehow, the part where it says NOT THROUGH FLESH AND BLOOD and the grammar making obvious reference that 'the rock' is Peter's confession, it somehow means Peter is the head of the church(no, that is Christ Himself) and holds an office called pope(literally did not exist until much much later) where he presides over other church offices(Peter didn't even lead the church in the first century, John, James, and Simeon did) where he has a magic chair that makes any other pope not make mistakes(I am not kidding. It is just as ridiculous as mormon magic underwear or scientology)I have seen easterners claim things like Mary's perpetual virginity(late fabricated concept, scripture uses the euphemism for Joseph having sex with her, and talks about Jesus' siblings trying to prevent His ministry including His mother meaning of course she sinned) and that she is owed praises and tidings and that there is biblical citation for this when there isn't. The bible has very little to tell of Mary and that's not because she isn't important, but she was a virgin who gave birth to our Lord, raised Him with her husband Joseph, she was a witness to the resurrection, and had a couple small parts to play in His earthly ministry that being her requesting the water to wine(which was her pride) and trying to stop Him from fulfilling His mission by claiming He was insane or mentally ill and bringing Him back home with them(need I remind you that Christ called Peter "satan" for doing the same thing but slightly better because at least Peter believed Jesus' message but just didn't want to see Him arrested, tried, and executed)
(DIR) Post #AdJ06TRU0XHPD9wlYe by sharutiaburaddofouren@cawfee.club
2023-12-29T15:15:16.971858Z
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My experience has been just being ignored whenever I demonstrate verses that outright contradict false churches of merit claims and even when I break down arguments where it is irrefutable what I've said follows through whereas what the churches say is incoherent I don't get a responseSometimes people appeal to patristics but that's laughable but only to anybody who has spent even a small amount of time studying early church theologians, because they got into debates over theology and did not agree on anything, including between themselves such as in the case of augustine famously writing a series of RETRACTIONS for when he got things WRONG, and worst of all for the roman church the MAJORITY of the early church theologians had the correct view of Matthew 16 and said 'the rock' was the professing faith of Peter. Some of them viewed it as meaning all Christians, with origen saying incredulously, "Does Peter hold the keys to the Kingdom alone?!"Besides on it's face being an idiotic causality loop argument where scripture cannot be interpreted by men so we must turn to men to interpret scripture, which is also present in the "we created the canon of scripture therefore we own it but it also informs our doctrines" chicken and egg hypocrisy. Both east and west churches claim the early church theologians were unanimous in consensus. Rome hilariously makes this claim while at the same time labeling some as heretics(but only later of course). Similar in concept to them claiming the church has been unchanged but also that vatican I and II were these landmarks where the church redefined itself by going back to its traditions which how can you go back to tradition unless you strayed from it in the first place?
(DIR) Post #AdJ0D3gUAphtLq6VaS by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-12-29T15:16:35.529917Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren >scripture uses the euphemism for Joseph having sex with her, and talks about Jesus' siblings trying to prevent His ministry including His mother meaning of course she sinnedI don't believe Mary was sinless, but I also don't see a scriptural basis for this. I don't find it unreasonable that Joseph, who was significantly older than her at their betrothal, might have already had children, nor that they might have abstained from marital relations for other reasons. I also don't see it as a hill to die on and don't find the concept worth much discussion. Salvation is through Christ, not Mary, and discussion of private martial matters is a bit odd to me. People become "autistically serious" about their stance and opinions on this sometimes, which I think is foolish.
(DIR) Post #AdJ0Gkhog3q5eHUIxE by sharutiaburaddofouren@cawfee.club
2023-12-29T15:17:07.159754Z
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It's hard not to make reference to the church theologians without calling them the colloquial term of 'father' but do you know why I don't want to call them that? Because in Matthew 23:9 it literally says, "Do not call anyone on earth 'father' for you have one Father who is in Heaven
(DIR) Post #AdJ0xMjFhMoljoTkzg by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-12-29T15:24:57.688822Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren Read the context of the verse, unless you also believe calling people "teacher" is wrong. The point is likely about destroying false hierarchy that led to Pharisee behavior.>8But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Christ. 11The greatest among you shall be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
(DIR) Post #AdJ1Ka5gBamnq52UEa by sharutiaburaddofouren@cawfee.club
2023-12-29T15:28:57.337784Z
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@BowsacNoodle I agree that it shouldn't matter. I didn't care even if she were a perpetual virgin. The problem is because of late heretical doctrines like asceticism it became a "holier state" to be a virgin so because Mary became through extrabiblical late apocryphal tales the "queen of Heaven" she had to become sinless and immaculately conceived and worshipped and praised. It's actually funny to claim that Mary did not fulfill her marital duties because refusing each other is a sin, therefore that means if she were a perpetual virgin not only would it not have been necessary for Joseph to marry her, but it means she is not 'full of grace'So the issue then become important because rome and the east both claim you MUST believe in the sinless perpetual virgin who hears your prayers and all that idolatry. But in the bible it clearly says that Joseph "knew her not until she bore a Son" and literally every single other time in the bible knowing in a marital context means intercourse. Some people try to argue that Jesus' brothers are either His cousins or Joseph's children but it's funny we have to throw Joseph under the bus and ignore his role in the Lord's upbringingI personally wouldn't mind if somebody believed Mary was perpetually virgin and it was Jesus' cousins, although I'd argue James using his title as "The Lord's brother" is tarnished by the thought that Mary wasn't his biological mother. I also think it besmirches Mary's character to state she never wanted to have other children and be a loving mother and dutiful wife. She has no real teaching or speaking role at all, and monasticism didn't happen until a few centuries laterI once saw somebody say, "I find it disgusting that we have to talk about Mary having sex and get into the gross details of her having a natural birth because these these churches make these false arguments" and yeah, it's an unpleasant but necessary point to knock down
(DIR) Post #AdJ1iFijZagxc1atHM by sharutiaburaddofouren@cawfee.club
2023-12-29T15:33:20.027096Z
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@BowsacNoodle that is quite literally the point that I made. That is exactly why these church theologians are called 'father' by the false churches. It is pharisee behavior to forsake the Word of God for tradition. Christ says, "Isaiah was right when he spoke about you, saying 'Their worship is mere lip service and their hearts are far from the Lord. Their teachings are the teachings of men'"The last verse you posted also demonstrates this, as some like augustine stated he'd rather have someone fervently disagree with him than take his word as truth when scripture is truth. These churches exalt these men to a greater status and hierarchy, by definition making their writings lord over scripture when it is the opposite that is true
(DIR) Post #AdJ3vaABbvm0ot9chM by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-12-29T15:58:14.989634Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren >It's actually funny to claim that Mary did not fulfill her marital duties because refusing each other is a sin, therefore that means if she were a perpetual virgin not only would it not have been necessary for Joseph to marry her, but it means she is not 'full of grace'A child needs a father and mother. For all we know, Joseph was resigned to celibacy before his betrothal to Mary, and perhaps that was a thing he had accepted. One has to consider just how big of a deal the birth of The Messiah was to these people; that is a tough thing to consider today with the advantage of hindsight and limited writings on the historical feelings of common faithful practitioners of Old Testament Religion / late second temple Judaism.>But in the bible it clearly says that Joseph "knew her not until she bore a Son" and literally every single other time in the bible knowing in a marital context means intercourse.Nobody in the East or West disputes that meaning. The point is explicitly that Joseph did not have relations with Mary at any point between the conception and birth of Christ. It does not imply [but afterwards he did] nor does it imply [or ever at any point]. It is a statement of fact regarding that specific time period that would have been written differently today.>Throw Joseph under the bus and ignore his role in the Lord's upbringingI think you could make the opposite argument, which the East does a pretty good job of. Joseph's decision to honor God is almost as big a commitment as Mary. All he did would be seen as sacrifice and work for The Lord's benefit, which is a fantastic model for teaching Jesus as He would go in to do the same thing.
(DIR) Post #AdJ45VPM96KWy1yvE8 by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
2023-12-29T16:00:02.831709Z
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Matthew 1>24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:>25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.Church tradition directly contradicts the words of the Gospel
(DIR) Post #AdJ4hJ0wfpZFX6aWbg by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-12-29T16:06:52.762298Z
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@Xenophon @sharutiaburaddofouren The gospel position is explicitly what I said, is it not? We would assume it means waiting, and I don't know what people of the time would have thought about that type of phrasing.
(DIR) Post #AdJ4wlzhD3OBkwNZIm by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
2023-12-29T16:09:40.407385Z
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I also refuse to call them father. Its patronizing on their part. I only have 2 fathers, and one is Yahweh
(DIR) Post #AdJ5C2quoS3YNwYQam by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
2023-12-29T16:12:26.056520Z
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Im not sure I agree. If this said Bowsac knew not Mrs Bowsac until after sue had birthed her firstborn, we would all read that as Mrs Bowsac DID know you after, and firstbprn implies more children. Jesus clearly had brothers. James and Thomas the apostles were His brothers. (Im pretty sure)
(DIR) Post #AdJ5JPvJQy7Bxv7tOS by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2023-12-29T16:13:44.796923Z
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@BowsacNoodle @sharutiaburaddofouren so if I said "Vril did not eat until noon" we'd generally take that to mean I ate at noon.
(DIR) Post #AdJ5r1a6RZQSJdENfM by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-12-29T16:19:50.359463Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren I believe that's an apriori view; you do not agree with Catholic or Orthodox Christianity and therefore you're applying this verse to them. The reality of the verse is something else entirely. Many such cases, unfortunately. It would be better if we could agree to disagree on practice while recognizing our shared beliefs and common enemy. >Jesus Christ, the Son of God, died on the cross for the salvation of mankind. He rose again and conquered death. By grace and through faith in Him we are saved.Probably zero disagreement there, right? We can disagree on what practice of "faith" means within that, but we're simply at heterodoxy at that point.
(DIR) Post #AdJ6H32Df7KgLvn6vo by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-12-29T16:24:32.633145Z
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@Vril_Oreilly @sharutiaburaddofouren We would think that, but we write things differently today. I'm not a scholar, and I also am not engaging in any hard apologetics on this. This is just simple commentary from someone who cares a lot less than most who argue on the matter.
(DIR) Post #AdJ6sHZgZBTYA5CQWe by Vril_Oreilly@comfyboy.club
2023-12-29T16:31:12.897573Z
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@BowsacNoodle Yeah it's all in good faith man I enjoy theological debate lol
(DIR) Post #AdJ7028hq0hEbhHAki by branman65@poa.st
2023-12-29T16:32:40.531964Z
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@BowsacNoodle @sharutiaburaddofouren Joseph was 30 years old when Christ was born, which is older but not THAT old. like Joseph wasn't an old man, let alone one too old for marital relations. but yeah it's really uncomfortable to be discussing these people's personal business, but it has weirdly become necessary for the marriage vs singleness argument. it sucks
(DIR) Post #AdJ7IOvzpEIsW75bZg by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-12-29T16:35:59.590400Z
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@Xenophon @sharutiaburaddofouren In the context of the verse, it's saying he "embraced Mary as his wife" without the one important thing that a husband and wife share. (At least until after Jesus was born) is implied, but maybe that's modern ways of writing. I don't particularly care either way; Christ is what matters to me.>24When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and embraced Mary as his wife. 25But he had no union with her {Literally: he did not know her} until she gave birth to a Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.
(DIR) Post #AdJ7ijcHYJpmBrQQ40 by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-12-29T16:40:45.121961Z
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@branman65 @sharutiaburaddofouren Joseph's age is not stated in The Bible. I've heard arguments that he was of similar age, and arguments that was substantially older, e.g. 50+. It was left out of scripture for a reason, but we can assume he's dead by the time Christ's ministry begins since he isn't referenced, right?
(DIR) Post #AdJ8sFZQDa9Rr0BkCO by branman65@poa.st
2023-12-29T16:53:40.712233Z
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@BowsacNoodle @sharutiaburaddofouren a french catholic religous product (they sell rosaries and stuff) website stated he was born in 30 BC and died in 20 AD age 49, a website for a catholic church in louisiana named after him gave the wildly old birth year old 90 BC and stated he died year 18 AD (making him 108, which I obviously doubt).
(DIR) Post #AdJ9I8Hrv2m0nLJtAW by branman65@poa.st
2023-12-29T16:58:21.380358Z
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@BowsacNoodle @sharutiaburaddofouren I don't think a man who did hard labor in the sweltering Judean sun during a preindustrial society is gonna live to 108.
(DIR) Post #AdJ9QydRAtddSvcqrw by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-12-29T16:59:57.197332Z
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@branman65 @sharutiaburaddofouren I think it doesn't matter that much, much like this discussion at large. Like hey maybe if the focus on Jesus is the bigger aspect for a reason. :mind_blown_boar:
(DIR) Post #AdJ9rCkPKNM2lPONTk by branman65@poa.st
2023-12-29T17:04:41.716772Z
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@BowsacNoodle @sharutiaburaddofouren yeah true
(DIR) Post #AdJ9zX6vV9xwEfteDY by Gundog@poa.st
2023-12-29T17:06:11.956853Z
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@branman65 @BowsacNoodle @sharutiaburaddofouren This Catholic encyclopedia entry notes that a lot of details on Joseph are hard to discern because the canon Gospels don't speak of him much, whereas the books that do speak more extensively of him were never canonized, and have never been corroborated enough to be anything but apocryphal.Note that on the section 'Marriage', the second paragraph is prefaced with the apocryphal nature of the information that follows, so the entire second paragraph should be taken with a grain of salt, as well as the section on his death; for example, Joseph is given as 90 when he married Mary, but one of the accounts of his death puts his age at the same.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm
(DIR) Post #AdJALKKngSnuyvmIuO by branman65@poa.st
2023-12-29T17:10:08.265202Z
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@Gundog @BowsacNoodle @sharutiaburaddofouren yeah married at 30 died at 50 checks out more than married at 90
(DIR) Post #AdJB01ptMjnTTyjG9Q by Gundog@poa.st
2023-12-29T17:17:29.632421Z
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@branman65 @BowsacNoodle @sharutiaburaddofouren Honestly what has surprised me most is that there is no mention of Joseph's death, it is completely unmentioned it seems. The last clear mention of him appears to be when Jesus was left at the temple, when he was 12. I'm really surprised that Joseph does not get any mention as to his death, but given that the Gospels were written by the Apostles, and Joseph died between that last mention and the beginning of Christ's ministry, it may not have received mention for having been an ordinary matter, and unrelated to the ministry.
(DIR) Post #AdJC9FafhDX2hZZSWO by branman65@poa.st
2023-12-29T17:30:21.970285Z
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@Gundog @BowsacNoodle @sharutiaburaddofouren yeah he just kind of stops being mentioned,
(DIR) Post #AdJCI0Eo97gTh0WAKW by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-12-29T17:31:56.575997Z
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@branman65 @Gundog @sharutiaburaddofouren Knowing the history of the faith, there's probably some cult that formed around this.
(DIR) Post #AdJCbcxsNuGDIuxKOu by branman65@poa.st
2023-12-29T17:35:29.600344Z
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@BowsacNoodle @Gundog @sharutiaburaddofouren about what? that joseph is secretly immortal or he's like Muhammad Al-Mahdi from twelver Shia Islam?
(DIR) Post #AdJCyfVF77RXpvY8fI by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-29T17:39:39.119800Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren >When it comes to salvation people are sadly lazy and stubborn. They won't go through the effort to see if what you claim about their religion is true or notLORD POT, I BRING GRAVE NEWS FROM KING KETTLE'S COURTBUT DONT TURN AROUND TOO QUICKLY, LEST THE BROOMSTICK STUCK IN YOUR EYE HITS THE TREE GROWING OUT OF MINE
(DIR) Post #AdJFQTCCfGevgR1phY by SKracket@nicecrew.digital
2023-12-29T18:07:05.062399Z
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Egads! Unbury thy talents Herald Nugger, and use them forthwith to convert yon King to the true understanding o' the dead sea scrolls, for verily I fear he hast been deceived by the masoretic text.
(DIR) Post #AdJFh5SSAtfKz6YM1w by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-29T18:10:05.470197Z
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@SKracket @sharutiaburaddofouren WORSE SIREHE CALLED YOU A NIGGER
(DIR) Post #AdJG15LEJkfqPmi5vU by SKracket@nicecrew.digital
2023-12-29T18:13:42.151231Z
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WHAT! Then shalt I condemn him, and quoth the Scriptures for mine own convenience!
(DIR) Post #AdJGE55qYFHPPTiBqi by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-29T18:16:03.344917Z
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@SKracket @sharutiaburaddofouren HE SAITH HE FOUND NO SCRIPTURAL BASIS FOR THEE TO BE SO BLACK, AND YET HE IS HIMSELF DARKER THAN AN ABYSSINIAN!
(DIR) Post #AdJGXgvy5Ju6GyRTH6 by SKracket@nicecrew.digital
2023-12-29T18:19:35.756152Z
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Tell him that at the third hour darkness covered the whole land, and this was of the same hue as him and his mother!
(DIR) Post #AdJGbhqwbspwHV0TVw by Tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2023-12-29T18:20:18.135237Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren >citing Ephesians 2:8-10 and Romans 3:28 with no mention of James 2:17-18Please learn the difference between works of the law and works of the spirit before going on a spergish tirade about faith and works.
(DIR) Post #AdJGpTqRULrotFL8IS by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-29T18:22:49.302498Z
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@Tadano @sharutiaburaddofouren It's so nice to see theology debates in the town square again
(DIR) Post #AdJt5U0GSoZyGyzYCu by sharutiaburaddofouren@cawfee.club
2023-12-30T01:31:24.992424Z
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@Tadano The serpent's forked tongue sure does love to redefine what God says, because He didn't _really_ say that, now did He Eve?
(DIR) Post #AdJtL72ZbfBlgkWZpw by sharutiaburaddofouren@cawfee.club
2023-12-30T01:34:15.073295Z
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@nugger the greatest irony of the hypocrite is his proclamation that everyone else is projecting
(DIR) Post #AdJtgbRRlqXK3cPFXE by sharutiaburaddofouren@cawfee.club
2023-12-30T01:38:08.277589Z
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@BowsacNoodle @branman65 btw Noodle I have to say thank you, I have a feeling you saw that I said I usually don't get much of a response so you were willing to discuss. We do all get into banter but what I believe touches people is the one on one discussion when preaching the gospel
(DIR) Post #AdJul1GrmOutHJ7wlU by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-12-30T01:50:12.656582Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren @branman65 Of course friend. Christians need to talk about this stuff. We need a coalition against the forces of evil in the world right now rather than turning our guns against our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
(DIR) Post #AdJwpp0gzb7WbkynI0 by sharutiaburaddofouren@cawfee.club
2023-12-30T02:13:21.526731Z
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@BowsacNoodle it is not because I disagree with them, I am irrelevant in the picture, it is because these churches are exactly what is described. In the woes to the pharisees for being hypocrites for instance when Christ says they slam the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people's faces yet cannot enter themselves and try to stop anyone else from trying that seems strangely comparable to rome claiming that salvation is only found through their church and their belief system. They call the early theologians 'father' specifically to set them apart when we know God shows no favoritism and there are none righteous on the earth, all have turned away, there are none who understandFaith is the belief, from the heart, that Christ Jesus both true man and true God, sent from the Father to save mankind from our sins by dying in our place on the cross, His once for all sacrifice. That it is by grace of the Father that we have this faith, it is not of ourselves, that Jesus counts us righteous by the shedding of His blood, by the witness of the Holy Spirit we are justified before the Father and our sins remembered no more"Practice" I would state has nothing to do with it for the fruit of our salvation is shown much as the fruit of unbelief in shown in those who pay lip service but whose hearts are far from the Lord. My issue is with these churches and false teachings for doubtless there are Christians who sit in the pews who put their faith and trust only in the Lord Jesus Christ, but there are many who do not and trust in merited salvation in the confessional with "degrees of sin" or that Mary is inherent to your salvation or you must pray to the saints or purgatory and all the extrabiblical nonsense. If I have love for humanity then I want them to be united with Christ, and not believing in a false gospel. The judaizers who likely followed Paul's footsteps to the church of galatia preached to them all the same but also that they must do works and that Paul's apostolic authority was less than the others as he was a latecomer. That's where the danger lies, in those who present a new gospel, pretending to speak for God as though His crosswork was incomplete, the Holy Spirit is not strong enough to transform the hearts of believers, and the Father's love based on conditionWhether or not I can communicate well, that's on me, but my mission is to let God speak through me of His Word. That's always the issue, everything is to God's glory for it's His work and righteousness as we have none of our own. We are the Body and all works God prepared beforehand for us to walk in, nothing is from us, we can't even reason our salvation, it is only by His grace that we know Him to be the Son of God and our SaviorI don't mean to misrepresent what you say but it sounds a bit to me like a 'fundamentals of faith' argument which the big problem is satan also believes that "Jesus Christ, the Son of God, died on the cross for the salvation of mankind. He rose again and conquered death.", but what he wants it to mean is Christ died not in place of mankind but so that we foolishly try to make up for sin as atonement, which we never can, and that Jesus only conquered death in personal terms than for all of us who have eternal life in Him
(DIR) Post #AdK7lLgbAxs5zxeOVE by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-12-30T04:15:56.042574Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren >rome claiming that salvation is only found through their church and their belief systemThey claim that other Christians not in communion with them are still Christian and a part of the larger catholic Church. It's worth remembering the definition of 'Catholic' is "universal". This is not how they've always viewed things, but it's part of church doctrine at this point.>They call the early theologians 'father' specifically to set them apart when we know God shows no favoritismIsaac Newton, Max Planck, and Galileo Galelei are the fathers of physics, because they put to words and pen God's natural law previously not understood. The early theologians were the fathers of the church because they set standards and helped put to words theological concepts in a similar way. They're not "more saved" than any other believer, but the fact that they taught or modeled important things makes them worth looking at for inspiration and guidance. >"Practice" I would state has nothing to do with it for the fruit of our salvation is shown much as the fruit of unbelief in shown in those who pay lip service but whose hearts are far from the Lord.This is my problem. You don't realize it, but you're being the Pharisee here from Luke 18. They exist in all sorts of forms, and plenty have worn hats and vestments and esteemed designations in the West or East, but plenty exist in smaller churches of various denominations. I had more typed up, but that's to the point and either you'll see it or you won't. Just know that I'm not trying to be personal or attack you when I say that. That's all for tonight, but I'll get back to this tomorrow.
(DIR) Post #AdK7t6e4yqerfRAfr6 by ChurnHinge@poa.st
2023-12-30T04:17:20.351791Z
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@BowsacNoodle @sharutiaburaddofouren wow. with all that time you could have made a Sandwich
(DIR) Post #AdK8FombYi5QvbzMci by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-12-30T04:21:26.562396Z
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@ChurnHinge @sharutiaburaddofouren >implying I wasn't spending time with my wife and children rather than lurking fedi for hours.🆗
(DIR) Post #AdK8IXQ6ZPVPwllHW4 by Tony@clew.lol
2023-12-30T04:21:55.909549Z
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tldr
(DIR) Post #AdK8PYr5dGYoQQjTTE by ChurnHinge@poa.st
2023-12-30T04:23:10.047294Z
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@BowsacNoodle @sharutiaburaddofouren would have tasted really good though
(DIR) Post #AdKL9Iq0iRFVWEnzhA by Tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2023-12-30T06:45:53.454333Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren One again these works spoken of are works of the law, not works of the spirit (i.e. God's work done through us). In fact Romans 4:13-15 explicitly elaborate on the law. As it is written, it is by faith in Christ we are saved, and works of the law do not justify us. Furthermore, Galatians 5:16-24 elaborates on the fruits of the spirit, Philippians 1:6 states what good works God started in us shall be completed by the day of Christ and Christ himself says that fruitless branches of he the true vine shall be cut off in John 15:2. From these we reach the conclusion stated James 2:18: with faith comes visible signs, those being works/fruits of the holy spirit working through us (not of our own action) and a faith absent of these signs is dead. As for cooperation with grace, you flippantly dismiss it as absurd yet you do not even elaborate on what it is. So, I decided to look into it and found this from a joint declaration by the Catholic and Lutheran Churches on the doctrine of justification which summarizes it nicely: 20. When Catholics say that persons “cooperate” in preparing for and ac- cepting justification by consenting to God’s justifying action, they see such personal consent as itself an effect of grace, not as an action arising from innate human abilities. Once again, God's works in us.Ironic how you slander Catholics as either ignoramuses or not understanding scripture despite your lack of understanding leaking through every word you wrote. You did not even attempt to engage with my mention of James 2:18 nor my mention the distinction between works of law and spirit; your response bordered on being a non-sequitur. Please cease rendering yourself a pillock.
(DIR) Post #AdKLUOyP6F9ad2nANE by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2023-12-30T06:49:44.648028Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren >scripture uses the euphemism for Joseph having sex with herI don't recognize this. Do you have the verse for this?
(DIR) Post #AdKMYEWC0s2ZJczH7o by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2023-12-30T07:01:38.409443Z
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@Tadano @sharutiaburaddofouren James is not addressing justification in the technical sense, or any part of the process of salvation. He is addressing the hypocrisy of false believing or spiritually poor yet materially rich congregants of the Israeli church he headed. Their faith was fake from the lack of apparent sanctification and their mistreatment of the poorer brethren, see passages verses like 1:9, the whole of chapter 2, 4:1, and 5:1-6. They're weak and misguided confession of faith was not one that could save them, thus the lack of works and presence of severe sins could not justify them to other believers (faith without works is dead to James and to us).To help you understand this, you answer the questions I made here:poa.st/objects/6642fcdb-72d0-41c0-a486-8a7229cbb2d3
(DIR) Post #AdKjtdfvyMAyMkighk by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-30T11:23:10.615046Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren NAH JUST YOU
(DIR) Post #AdNIE7da4MprqCTfwu by sharutiaburaddofouren@cawfee.club
2023-12-31T16:57:09.822470Z
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@Tadano confessional where sins are to be itemized and then atoning acts to rectify the "loss of grace", with degrees of sin being mortal and venial where you have some arbitrary sentence where sins need to still be purged before entering the Kingdom and years can be shaved off that sentence by works on earth. A "treasury of merit" which the saints add to that accounts for righteousness credited to persons. A belief that sanctification is an ongoing processHemming a skirt around denial of Christ's once for all sacrifice, that is for ALL sins for ALL time by redefining God's Word. God died in our place on the cross, His work is complete, He sat down. How is there forgiveness of sins if there is still debt incurred? Making distinctions without a difference is the hallmark of the unbeliever, the one whose heart is far from the Lord and pays mere lipservice. Whose worship is the teachings of men, not the Word of GodThe answer to James 2:18 is just like the answer to James 2:24, James 2:23 which then parallels with Romans 4 which interestingly enough speaks of the one who 'does not work', so no works to speak of however you define them, just like the thief on the cross, the tax collector, and LazarusWorks are prepared beforehand by God so that we may walk in them as they are the fruit of our salvation, done for nothing but the love of God through us by God because we can do nothing righteous, for not a single person on the earth is righteous for it is by His grace that we do these things for we never would have without the Holy Spirit circumcising our heartsThe pride and haughtiness, the wishful view that everyone burns in hell that disagrees with the roman pontiff which itself states that believing fully in the roman church alone is an "absolute matter of salvation", the worship of creatures by adorning prayers, hymns, and coredemption to them while simply claiming it isn't worship. Yes, those fruits are for the world to seeYou know, if I am a sperg for defending the gospel against twisted perversion of merited salvation which denies Christ's death that atones for mankind all of our sins then so be it. Rome has anathematized the entire world, literally cursed everyone for eternal damnation for not believing we are justified by faith alone through grace alone by Christ alone. Burning Christians for affirming this, truly a great mark of followers of Christ to eternally condemn and kill who they see as lost sheep. But whenever a Christian calls out this behavior, like the practice of transubstantiation which claims the bread and wine literally become Christ's flesh and blood again, which denies His true humanity and that He reigns on His throne in Heaven or that Mary is a coredeemer, the "queen of Heaven" who pulls souls from the made of destination of purgatory, and all the other manufactured practices through the centuries. Claims, even embarrassing, made of this perfect little picture of early and everpresent church uniformity to their later added customs and beliefs, taking the title of 'catholic' for themselves and yet excluding the entire worldIt is not I who misrepresents scripture, it is that the natural man abhors God's message. He twists and perverts it to fit his ideals. He looks at God's sacrifice, His work, and claims it incomplete and that it must be added to, that Christ Jesus alone is not enough there must be moreI get called a heretic and child of satan, a pillar of evil poisoning the world by adherents to the church of rome but rome in its hypocritical fashion, fitting the 7 woes to a T, always plays the innocent. I'd rather be a friendless hated fool for Christ pleading that His children leave the churches of merit and put their faith and trust in Him alone than to let sleeping dogs lie. Salvation is through Christ alone and no one else, that statement means that I am condemned to hellfire by rome's standards because I do not affirm Mary as sinless or a salvation dependent redeemer, for then Christ died for nothing. I will be an unbecoming fool, a neanderthal idiot midwit, a coal goblin, whatever gay label you give me from your arrogance. God sends the weak to lead the strong, even if that isn't me and my foolishness provides a stepping stone for another, it's something you should keep in mindMay the Lord bless you and keep you
(DIR) Post #AdNJ7RTvzRAJJYLP7I by sharutiaburaddofouren@cawfee.club
2023-12-31T17:07:13.478252Z
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@nugger it is through Christ alone salvation is found. Not through a church. God's Word interprets itself, and no church nor group of men to interpret it for the lowly. It is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone that we are saved. His once for all sacrifice for all sins of all mankind for all time being undermined in any form is a denial that He did in fact die on the cross in our place, no matter how people dress that up, no matter how they redefine the terms He uses, it is the truth that His shed blood purchased us on the cross and the Holy Spirit attest this witness that He will remember sins no more, that there is no need to further redeem ourselves, as we have already been forgivenScripture is made clear to those who have been called, and it is muddled to those who only pay lipservice. It is the gospel of free grace and none other, for there is no other gospelDenial has no justification, but faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone is. I don't want the lost to be separated to the goats, wondering when Christ says He never knew them how that could be possible when they did so much for Him, while the sheep ask how they did anything for the Lord as they never saw themselves as doing anything for Him
(DIR) Post #AdNKoqvtL7VkeggVTk by sharutiaburaddofouren@cawfee.club
2023-12-31T17:26:16.460920Z
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@SuperSnekFriend Matthew 1:25. I know a lot of people want to pretend it doesn't but the context of the passage is about Mary's virginity for the virgin birth and is stating that Joseph "knew her not", which cannot mean he was unaware or oblivious to her nor would that make sense in the passage since it's Joseph being told Mary is with Heavenly Child so he would be thinking she committed adultery on her visit to ElizabethScripture uses the euphemism elsewhere obviously, like in Genesis multiple times as "Adam knew his wife Ever and she bore Cain", and the town of sodom demanding Lot release the angels from his house so that the town may "know them"As I said to Noodle this is no fun talking about this stuff. It should be entirely irrelevant, there are people who are with Christ who guaranteed thought Mary was perpetually a virgin but the tales made up and the worship adorned to her even by earlier cults like the collyrideans, the ascension of isaiah that claims Christ teleported out of Mary instead of her giving birth to Him, the ridiculous stuff like Mary wasn't even allowed to set foot on the ground outside the temple or whatever, just all these wildly embellished stories which made the framework that satan twisted into being a "necessary belief for salvation" that Mary is set apart when scripture quite literally says by the Holy Spirit through Elizabeth "Blessed are you AMONG women", not above, not set apart, not 'Blessed are you queen of lost sheep' nor anything about her being sinless for our introduction was that she doubted God, and Gabriel had to remind her that through God all things are possible, just as what happened to Sarah and Abraham who doubted the Lord when He said Sarah will be with child and just as Moses doubted when the Lord as said He would use Moses to lead the people Israel to the promised land. Plus the catch 22 of Mary being sinless yet being betrothed to Joseph which would mean she would have to sin had she refused her body to Joseph and Joseph's body to her, as Joseph was a devout man and God had no need to join them in matrimony, and would just have assigned Joseph as her guard and caretaker and to help raise Christ
(DIR) Post #AdNKxjuAq0X1Sv7Pnc by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2023-12-31T17:27:58.307761Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren >Greek text for Matthew 1:25 uses ἕως (until)Ok, I see it now. Thank you kindly bro! :02_heart:
(DIR) Post #AdNLqVdbaJ7d8xU8SO by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-31T17:37:52.185463Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE WORD OF GOD
(DIR) Post #AdNMPl44DhZt7lfcYa by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-31T17:44:14.391546Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren AS A TIP OFF BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA START A HELLTHREAD ABOUT THE TRADITIONS OF MEN FROM FIVE HUNDRED YEARS AGO THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSSITS NEW YEARS AND IM HANGING OUT WITH MY PARENTS
(DIR) Post #AdNMZkZKuxOCU03pjc by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2023-12-31T17:46:02.828853Z
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@nugger @sharutiaburaddofouren It is the name by which we are saved..."O God, save me by your name, and vindicate me by your might." (Psalm 54:1)...ALONE apart from works and all other men, apostles, priests, kings, and self:"Fear not, nor be afraid; have I not told you from of old and declared it? And you are my witnesses! Is there a God besides me? There is no Rock; I know not any." (Isa. 44:8)"This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:11-12)
(DIR) Post #AdNMphYTtHLrlkGcD2 by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-31T17:48:55.713266Z
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@SuperSnekFriend @sharutiaburaddofouren JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD FROM BEFORE ALL TIMEIN HIM AND THROUGH HIM THE WORLD IS CREATEDSO WHY IS IT THAT THERE EXISTS THE HEAVENLY QURAN OF SCRIPTURE THAT USURPS HIS TITLE
(DIR) Post #AdNNLLP5mhcyKmxoy8 by RMIV@poa.st
2023-12-31T17:54:38.544000Z
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@nugger @sharutiaburaddofouren יהוה
(DIR) Post #AdNNWIXOmSiodB4XgW by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-31T17:56:34.385315Z
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@RMIV @sharutiaburaddofouren *DAVARYAHWEH
(DIR) Post #AdNNZFKHB5xbXTL98a by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-31T17:57:09.618494Z
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@RMIV @sharutiaburaddofouren (NOT TO GRANT ANY LEGITIMACY TO RECONSTRUCTED HEBREW BTW)
(DIR) Post #AdNNiVkhTW9r5e7M12 by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-31T17:58:50.116350Z
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@RMIV @sharutiaburaddofouren THE DAVAR YAHWEH WHO SAT AND ATE WITH ABRAHAM AND THEN CALLED OUT TO YAHWEH IN HEAVEN TO POUR FORTH FIRE ON SODOM AND GOMORRAH
(DIR) Post #AdNNitgyT1RDL2YiXY by RMIV@poa.st
2023-12-31T17:58:54.523670Z
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@nugger @sharutiaburaddofouren right. i am not convinced that it is important that it is Hebrew friend.
(DIR) Post #AdNNqilKzG6fl1KYAy by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:00:19.080561Z
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@RMIV @sharutiaburaddofouren THE DAVAR YAHWEH WHO SAT AND SPOKE WITH MOSES FACE TO FACE AS A MAN SPEAKS WITH HIS FRIEND, AND WHEN MOSES ASKED TO SEE THE ESSENCE OF YAHWEH, YAHWEH SAID THAT NOBODY CAN SEE HIS GLORY AND LIVE
(DIR) Post #AdNO0BYtHVw3gP1Ols by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:02:01.731199Z
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@RMIV @sharutiaburaddofouren NO ITS JUST THAT HEBREW WAS A DEAD LANGUAGE BY THE TIME OF THE INCARNATION AND THE MODERN STUFF THEY USE IN OCCUPIED PALESTINE IS A THEORETICAL RECONSTRUCTION, AND I DON'T WANT TO GRANT THEM ANY CULTURAL PURCHASE OR LEGITIMACY
(DIR) Post #AdNOplJu5o8vM0baPA by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:11:21.172434Z
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@nugger @sharutiaburaddofouren The spiritual words that you read, if God lets you read them, not just the mere text of the Bible, is Christ, the Father's Son, in the spirit. But He only benefits those in the Spirit that birthed the Word of God, as spiritual truths are only discerned by spiritual people (1 Corinthians 2:13-16). There is no usurpation and saying such is rather an annoying, slanderous, and blasphemous strawman of Sola Scriptura and the Protestant theologian tradition, as if we were like Muslims and the Koran.
(DIR) Post #AdNOrSohrGAgXwpAUi by RMIV@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:11:39.669150Z
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@nugger @sharutiaburaddofouren yeah i'm not sure how to think about it. maybe Our Heavenly Father would have it "so happen" that certain things sacred things would be faithfully preserved for us in our here & now. but perhaps not also.God does not speak to me.
(DIR) Post #AdNOsibycSKpp3T6Tw by Chimera@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-31T18:03:30.722771Z
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@nugger @sharutiaburaddofouren @RMIV it's like when you see the extra dimensional entities, you can get weird burns that are similar in symptoms to acute radiation poisoning, but it's something else. Mosses was all fucked up after coming down from the mountain.See shit like the falcon lake encounter
(DIR) Post #AdNOslkEyBjBXYMFHM by casuist@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:11:53.890430Z
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@nugger @RMIV @sharutiaburaddofouren Precisely. Jesus spoken Aramaic. When he referenced scripture, it was not the Hebrew literatures but the Targum, an oral, Aramaic paraphrase of the Hebrew literatures. journal.oraltradition.org/wp-content/uploads/files/articles/5i/6_sienaert.pdf
(DIR) Post #AdNPaCcYv8ifLaTdh2 by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:19:44.614739Z
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@Chimera @sharutiaburaddofouren @RMIV ITS MORE LIKE WHEN YOU BRING LIGHT INTO A DARK ROOM AND SUDDENLY ALL OF THE DARKNESS IS GONEBECAUSE DARKNESS HAS NO DISTINCT ONTOLOGICAL REALITY TO ITSELF, IT IS MERELY THE ABSENCE OF LIGHTLIKEWISE SIN AND EVILEVIL HAS NO DISTINCT ONTOLOGICAL EXISTENCE, ITS JUST A MISAPPROPRIATION OF GOODMUCH LIKE GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLENO NATURE IS EVIL, ALL THINGS GOD HAD CREATED HE DECLARED GOODEVEN THE DEVIL IS AN ANGEL BY NATURE, BUT IN ACTIONS OF HIS WILL HE MADE HIMSELF THE DEVILWHEN ONE CHOOSES TO ACT IN EVIL WAYS, ONE SYNERGISTICALLY TAKES ON EVILAND MUCH LIKE LIGHT BROUGHT INTO A DARK ROOM DISPELS ALL DARKNESS SO TOO DOES A SINNER WHO MADE HIMSELF EVIL IS AT RISK OF VANISHING IN A POOF OF METAPHYSICAL PARADOX WHEN EXPOSED TO SUFFICIENT HOLINESSIT IS FOR THAT REASON THAT GOD THE FATHER HID MOSES FROM HIMSELF WHEN PASSING BY TO SHOW THE AFTERMATH OF HIS PRESENCEIT IS FOR THAT REASON THAT THE ISRAELITES THROW A BLANKET OVER MOSES WHO HAVING WITNESSED THE PASSING AFTERIMAGE OF GLORY NOW GLOWS SO BRIGHTLY THAT THEY CAN'T BEAR TO LOOK UPON HIS FACEIT IS FOR THAT REASON THAT DURING THE COVENANT WITH ABRAHAM HE IS SHROUDED IN DARKNESS AND IS TERRIFIED -- GOD SHIELDS ABRAM FROM HIS PRESENCE BUT ABRAM FEELS THE CONTRADICTION OF HIS SINFUL NATURE AGAINST THE WELLSPRING OF HOLINESS CAN DESTROY HIMIT IS FOR THAT REASON THAT GOD THE FATHER IS SAID TO BE "SHROUDED IN DARKNESS" AND UNAPPROACHABLEIT IS FOR THAT REASON WHY WHEN GOD VISITED MANKIND THAT HAD TURNED ENTIRELY EVIL AND COMPLETELY REPROBATE FROM THEIR INITIAL GOODNESS OF HUMAN NATURE AS MADE BY GOD, SO THAT THEIR EVERY THOUGHT WAS EVIL CONTINUOUSLY, AND HAD EXERCISED THEIR POWER OVER ALL OF CREATION IN THIS STATE -- THAT CREATION UNRAVELS ITSELF BACK TO THE FIRST SEVEN DAYSTHE WATERS ABOVE THE HEAVENS AND BELOW THE EARTH CAN NO LONGER STAY SEPARATE
(DIR) Post #AdNQ494Oghmt1Nm4ky by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:25:09.223752Z
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@Chimera @sharutiaburaddofouren @RMIV AND BECAUSE GOD HAD PROMISED AFTER THE FLOOD THAT HE WILL NEVER AGAIN ALLOW MANKIND TO FALL THIS LOW BEFORE HE INTERVENES, WHEN MANKIND BUILDS THE TOWER OF BABEL ATTEMPTING TO ENTRAP GOD AND USURP HIM, COMPLETELY INVERTING THE PROPER ORDER OF RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MAN AND GOD -- HE WITHDRAWSHE PLACES OVER THEM GOVERNING SPIRITS, THE SHEPHERDING GODS TO MEDIATE HIS PRESENCE, AND HE WITHDRAWS TO MAKE A NEW NATION FOR HIMSELF, FROM WHOM HE WILL CREATE A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM OF ALIENATION BETWEEN GOD AND MAN WHICH LIES AT THE CENTER OF THE SCRIPTURES
(DIR) Post #AdNQH2qZ8W4NU9SKGW by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:27:29.170910Z
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@Chimera @sharutiaburaddofouren @RMIV WHEN GOD APPROPRIATES AND PUTS ON HUMAN NATURE HE IS ABLE TO INTEGRATE HUMAN BEHAVIORS AND INCLINATIONS OF HUMAN WILL AWAY FROM GOD, AND THROUGH HIS DEATH WEAVE THESE PATHS BACK TOWARD GOD
(DIR) Post #AdNQH7QW6nChgoJ5rE by RMIV@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:27:30.162302Z
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@nugger @Chimera @sharutiaburaddofouren i had no idea you were so inspired in His Word, so steeped Brother nugger. well said friend.
(DIR) Post #AdNQOQSdjp4CkZmgYi by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:28:49.257626Z
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@Chimera @sharutiaburaddofouren @RMIV EXCUSE ME FOR ONE SECONDI NEED TO FIX A VACUUM
(DIR) Post #AdNQR4ix0nYmCeg1ke by Chimera@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-31T18:22:22.352488Z
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@nugger @sharutiaburaddofouren @RMIV either way, when humans encounter aspects or emissaries of God it is nearly always fatal. See all the stuff with the arc, the holy of holies etc. Most people are struck dead or get very sick.
(DIR) Post #AdNQR5cxeYMZ0Msl3Q by RMIV@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:29:17.893187Z
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@Chimera @nugger @sharutiaburaddofouren be not afraid.
(DIR) Post #AdNS4acsR0UCOSF36u by Chimera@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-31T18:36:36.991765Z
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@nugger @sharutiaburaddofouren @RMIV yes, but you also know about the sons of Aaron being struck dead after entering the holy of holies with the strange fire, and their bodies had to be retrieved.And when the arc was being transported and the priests stumbled and someone reached out to steady the arc they were struck dead as well.God in its less mitigated forms is that incredibly dangerous to all but the most sanctified individuals.
(DIR) Post #AdNS4bXb27r9EMmLWC by RMIV@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:47:38.492540Z
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@Chimera @nugger @sharutiaburaddofouren :bible_wh:
(DIR) Post #AdNS99ujB1v0zllniy by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:48:28.413313Z
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@Chimera @sharutiaburaddofouren @RMIV @nugger >when humans encounter aspects or emissaries of God it is nearly always fatal.1. You haven't read all of Scriptures carefully or you would not have said this.2. You haven't explained why the very few actual times, among many counter-examples, encounters with God, never angels, were explicitly fatal, were warned to be fatal, or were damaging to humans in other ways all from the theophanies or angelophanies themselves and not other factors (Moses and the Israelites at Mt. Sinai, Nadab and Abihu, Numbers 11:1, Korah, Uzzah).3. Some, fatal or beneficial, did not encounter mere "aspects" of God. They encountered God, God Himself, or the Son.
(DIR) Post #AdNSBI8nYnbd5dMtyy by Netoraremancer@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:48:51.134171Z
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@RMIV @nugger @Chimera @sharutiaburaddofouren He's not a monk, don't let him get big headed. He's mostly just regurgitating a gen x'er podcast by some weirdos in Louisiana and Arizona.
(DIR) Post #AdNSJUutwZvd1vmUUK by William_The_Dragonborn@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:50:20.597168Z
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@SuperSnekFriend @Chimera @sharutiaburaddofouren @RMIV @nugger
(DIR) Post #AdNSfRXv9lEEwmUr7g by shortstories@merovingian.club
2023-12-31T18:54:17Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren Jude 1:4New International VersionFor certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.https://biblehub.com/jude/1-4.htmJames 2:24Young's Literal TranslationYe see, then, that out of works is man declared righteous, and not out of faith only;https://biblehub.com/james/2-24.htm
(DIR) Post #AdNSslZa0bLmp7cqO0 by shortstories@merovingian.club
2023-12-31T18:56:42Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren Romans 2:7New International VersionTo those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.https://biblehub.com/romans/2-7.htm
(DIR) Post #AdNT3cRiHZwVhc7Z3o by RMIV@poa.st
2023-12-31T18:58:35.299578Z
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@Netoraremancer @nugger @Chimera @sharutiaburaddofouren i don't care where he got it. readin' don't make seeing, and hearing don't make knowing. now do i know you? ask yourself, why should i listen to some dipshit stranger barges in to insult my friend? accuse him of gettin' a big head?you're so smart, don't you have better things to do than lurk what a buncha big-headed dummies are spoutin'? get lost jerk nobody asked ya.
(DIR) Post #AdNTGgFJSvJNFiY6Bk by tyler@nicecrew.digital
2023-12-31T19:01:02.335503Z
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Amen
(DIR) Post #AdNTKLWsQpEy9vVpa4 by white_male@poa.st
2023-12-31T19:01:41.843710Z
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@RMIV @Chimera @nugger @sharutiaburaddofouren What are those things?
(DIR) Post #AdNTPgu2OPRPtbtV8S by shortstories@merovingian.club
2023-12-31T19:02:39Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/jas/2/24/t_conc_1148024justified,g1344Being justified G1344 freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g1344/kjv/tr/0-1/Same justified as in Romans 3:24Which James 2:24 says is NOT by FAITH ALONE
(DIR) Post #AdNTSc4ao2QnmlDzDU by shortstories@merovingian.club
2023-12-31T19:03:11Z
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@sharutiaburaddofouren James 2:24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/jas/2/24/t_conc_1148024justified,g1344Being justified G1344 freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g1344/kjv/tr/0-1/Same justified as in Romans 3:24Which James 2:24 says is NOT by FAITH ALONE
(DIR) Post #AdNUEXBkGoT8XIQ9LM by RMIV@poa.st
2023-12-31T19:11:51.356546Z
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@white_male @Chimera @nugger @sharutiaburaddofouren angels
(DIR) Post #AdNWRi1tTT6vpeDsHI by nugger@poa.st
2023-12-31T19:36:36.745291Z
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@RMIV @Netoraremancer @Chimera @sharutiaburaddofouren BUT HE'S RIGHT AND HE'S MY BRO
(DIR) Post #AdNXUYo6JsHm3Hh8XA by RMIV@poa.st
2023-12-31T19:48:22.012441Z
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@nugger @Netoraremancer @Chimera @sharutiaburaddofouren if you say so friend. fedi is fulla assholes, not to discount the beam in my own eye, so i'm used to drive-by faggotry. my apologies to your friend.
(DIR) Post #AdNbazW8KA8sRjc29A by Chimera@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-31T20:32:34.724701Z
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@SuperSnekFriend @sharutiaburaddofouren @RMIV @nugger I did not say none were beneficial, however I would say nearly all of the encounters with stuff that's outside of the mortal world goes badly for people who aren't specifically sanctified or otherwise chosen by God. Even then, a lot of times the people in the stories suffer all kinds of misfortune as well, my main point is that it is generally unwise to get yourself involved in that kind of thing, but if it's the will of God, then you don't get a choice.There's a reason that God sent Jesus.Again, my overriding point is simply that normal people, not selected and sanctified by God should not meddle with that kind of thing, and if you are chosen, you don't get a say anyways. I don't see how this is so controversial.
(DIR) Post #AdO0qx7fUbkeVUsQU4 by branman65@poa.st
2024-01-01T01:17:21.627474Z
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@Tadano @sharutiaburaddofouren silence, heretic
(DIR) Post #AdO19dzaqIwwg50qJ6 by Tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2024-01-01T01:20:40.504178Z
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@branman65 @sharutiaburaddofouren Would you kindly explain what part of what I wrote was not in line with scripture? :belisarius:
(DIR) Post #AdO1EiyPkcArZdsqhc by branman65@poa.st
2024-01-01T01:21:39.407062Z
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@Tadano @sharutiaburaddofouren faith plus works is an error. the Bible clearly states faith alone. now begone heretic
(DIR) Post #AdO1rsCVNUWhUA8s7M by Tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2024-01-01T01:28:41.392463Z
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@branman65 @sharutiaburaddofouren did you not read a thing I wrote you dense motherfucker :marisa:I explicitly and repeatedly said that the works in question are not our own works of the law but God's works manifest through us, and said works are not what saves but are rather an indicator of faith in Christ. This is the relationship between faith and works that I have provided ample scriptural evidence for. Please read what I actually wrote and formulate a proper response to it instead of uttering stupidities over the internet.