Post AdMDRDNhKc5mUUVpIm by FreeinTX@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #AdGq5aBy2U9vzvhpzM by BlueWaver22@genomic.social
2023-12-28T13:23:04Z
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From #LATimes: "Nationally, COVID-19 remains the primary cause of new respiratory hospitalizations and deaths, resulting in about 1,000 fatalities a week."1000 fatalities a WEEK - how can a nation be OK with this? That's over a third of 9/11 every week. EVERY FRIGGIN WEEK.What is wrong with this picture? Absolutely everything. #CovidIsNotOver #COVID19
(DIR) Post #AdGq5b4CmpXoi959Wq by freemo@qoto.org
2023-12-28T14:13:42Z
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@BlueWaver22 For some perspective that is the exact same rate the Flu has killed people int he USA for decades. The annual death due to flu in the USA is very slightly less than 1000 a week...
(DIR) Post #AdGsGKyj8uxluKljoe by BlueWaver22@genomic.social
2023-12-28T14:38:04Z
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@freemo That's not what I've read from scientists...not at all.
(DIR) Post #AdGsIr46odxc0CUErY by freemo@qoto.org
2023-12-28T14:38:32Z
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@BlueWaver22@genomic.socialI am a COVID research scientist... Yes you did, you literally just heard it from one.
(DIR) Post #AdGsLMyr7uS1Z5EFKi by freemo@qoto.org
2023-12-28T14:38:58Z
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@BlueWaver22 I am a COVID research scientist... Yes you did, you literally just heard it from one.
(DIR) Post #AdGtWdxASjTJLQNXvc by Gbudd@qoto.org
2023-12-28T14:52:14Z
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@freemo @BlueWaver22 It seems to vary a lot, but it is interesting how we’ve become inured to flu deaths and are well on our way to being inured to covid-19 deaths.As a species we are really good at getting used to all manner of thingshttps://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html#:~:text=CDC%20estimates%20that%20flu%20has,annually%20between%202010%20and%202022.
(DIR) Post #AdGtkFrKqAIQfk8o0u by freemo@qoto.org
2023-12-28T14:54:41Z
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@GbuddYup exactly… I find it hilarious how this guy took my comment as an attack on COVID rather than as a “wow maybe we should try to prevent the flu better”… People like this guy is why we have these social problems.@BlueWaver22
(DIR) Post #AdH8W2hyRAtd8xRYp6 by ikuo1000@mas.to
2023-12-28T17:40:11Z
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@freemo @Gbudd @BlueWaver22 Totally agree we should prevent flu better. Lack of flu activity in 2020-21 basically showed that covid mitigations = flu mitigations!I think the issue was the phrasing that 1000 deaths/wk "is the exact same rate the flu has killed people in the USA for decades."Per the CDC page linked, only 1 yr in the last decade had 1000 flu deaths/wk & the avg for last 12 yrs was ~600/wk.If the rate was closer to 1000/week in earlier decades, a source link would be helpful!
(DIR) Post #AdHDIAqzr5Iw7gs0tU by freemo@qoto.org
2023-12-28T18:33:42Z
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@ikuo1000 @Gbudd Totally agree we should prevent flu better. Lack of flu activity in 2020-21 basically showed that covid mitigations = flu mitigations!Absolutely, Flu and COVID are serious diseases even if they arent at the level of hype some people would like you to think. We should take reasonable precautions for either, that includes good filtration and airflow in public spaces, good hygiene. When in a high-risk environment like a nursing home mask up, etc. But les also not go too far off the deep end either (like shutting down whole economies over an outbreak). I think the issue was the phrasing that 1000 deaths/wk “is the exact same rate the flu has killed people in the USA for decades.”This is misleading. The stats you are refering to are the isolated influence stats.. that is, it includes direct death from influence and excludes death from pnumonia caused by influenza. The COVID figure inclues people who die of secondary causes that are the direct result of COVID. When you factor int he same from influenza then it is much higher than the 600 average figure our quoting. Sadly the CDC itself doesnt have these figures you’d have to go to a secondary data set to get that. Regardless the figure is well over a thousand for sure, I picked that number to be generous. When you combine influenza and pnumonia the figure is 41K a week, but sadly that would include pnumonia without the flu as a primary cause.@BlueWaver22
(DIR) Post #AdHHu31nnbEqfmEuRc by ikuo1000@mas.to
2023-12-28T19:25:23Z
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@freemo @Gbudd @BlueWaver22 Hmm... The CDC pages seem to say the opposite? CDC flu estimates include all flu-related deaths (including pneumonia, etc.) & is NOT limited to flu being listed on death certificate, which "would be a gross underestimation". Source: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/how-cdc-estimates.htmCDC covid deaths ONLY include those that list covid (ICD–10 code U07.1) on the death certificate. Source: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklydeaths_select_00By CDC's own logic for flu, their covid numbers are surely a gross undercount!
(DIR) Post #AdHIEdSs2R4FTEiXmy by freemo@qoto.org
2023-12-28T19:29:05Z
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@ikuo1000 You can see on this page that the deaths for flu + pnumonia is 41k, for flu not including pnumonia its the 600 figure:.https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htmThe policies for listing covid ont he death certificate is generally different for listing Flu. Not sure how the policies have changed recently but back when I was actively a part of this we were required to list COVID as cuase of death regardless of if it is the primary cause or not. They may have changed that policy recently of course, not sure.@Gbudd @BlueWaver22
(DIR) Post #AdHILUdtEnPS8U8qTA by freemo@qoto.org
2023-12-28T19:30:19Z
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@ikuo1000 Regardless of anything else.. right now covid deaths are around 1000 per week and flu deaths are also around 1000 per week at the moment. The rest of the details are less important regarding what the average was over some arbitrary time period.@Gbudd @BlueWaver22
(DIR) Post #AdHKg1asdOTI26eTNQ by ikuo1000@mas.to
2023-12-28T19:56:27Z
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@freemo @Gbudd @BlueWaver22 It's certainly a challenge to find data for apples-to-apples comparisons!!!Looking only at published CDC data (which may or may not be obfuscating "real" data), they are reporting ~1200-1400 covid deaths/week since September: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklydeaths_select_00Sticking with the CDC, they are reporting 3200 flu deaths "so far this season". Assuming the season started in September, that's ~200/week; if the season started in October, that's ~267/week. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
(DIR) Post #AdHNCwDBrjK6nzOQfw by freemo@qoto.org
2023-12-28T20:24:48Z
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@ikuo1000 @Gbudd @BlueWaver22 Not sure why the other CDC link I gave earlier shows 41K deaths due to influenza including pnumonia.Again regardless this is all misisng the point. Flu routinely spike causing 1000 deaths a week, sometimes its less sometimes its more. COVID also tends to spike up and down. The point is 1000 deaths a week is not unusual for FLU at least as ballpark, and very comparable to COVID.For example week 50 of 2022 had 1048 flu and related deaths during that one week. Granted this is a peek. You can find it here: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#NCHSMortalitySimilarly from July of 2022 to today we have had anywhere from 400 on weekly numbers up to 1.2K, which again shows my original point, that while COVID is certainly a bit more deadly these numbers are now in flu territory. higher, but in a similar ballpark at this point.
(DIR) Post #AdHPX7drHJ3JxHcRmq by ikuo1000@mas.to
2023-12-28T20:50:46Z
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@freemo @Gbudd @BlueWaver22 Thanks for pointing me to the weekly flu deaths graph! I was looking for it but just didn't scroll down far enough.I think this is where we agree to disagree. I don't think it's helpful to compare peak flu deaths of 1000/week to covid's 2nd-lowest baseline of 1200 deaths/week.Covid having a sustained 1200 deaths/week for 3-4 months during flu season makes it MUCH more deadly than flu. If anything, in week 50 of 2022, flu temporarily peaked into "covid territory".
(DIR) Post #AdHPtH6MmsfXfIW6LI by freemo@qoto.org
2023-12-28T20:54:52Z
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@ikuo1000 Why isnt putting it into perspective relevant? Simply put per year:Flu: ~30K - 50K, or ~600/week to 1K/week.Covid, we dont have long term trends post lock-down. But since july its ~600/week to 1.2K per week.Pnumonia is ~50K per year.I think its very relevant to point out COVID is about as deadly as most non-trivial respertory diseases. Which is to say it **is** deadly but you shouldnt be loosing any more sleep over it than you did 10 years ago.@Gbudd @BlueWaver22
(DIR) Post #AdHTIdCU3tjJIyA1AW by ikuo1000@mas.to
2023-12-28T21:32:44Z
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@freemo @Gbudd @BlueWaver22 Again, I don't think comparing PEAK flu numbers to short-term BASELINE covid numbers is a helpful comparison. Additionally, focusing solely on the deadliness of covid vs. flu ignores the potential damage of long covid. If I lose sleep over covid, it's not because I think I or my loved ones will die - I'm pretty sure we won't - it's because I don't want any part of long covid.We really must agree to disagree. This is the last response I'll post. 🙂
(DIR) Post #AdHTazFgoSTQuSPe9w by freemo@qoto.org
2023-12-28T21:36:21Z
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@ikuo1000 No no the numbers I didnt give were peak. According to the CDC the **annual** flu numbers tend to range from ~30K to 50K a year, these arent peak. We have some outlier years that were not the norm due to singifnicant temporary world events (like economic lock down), but during "normal" years those numbers are typical, **not** peak.So while im happy to agree to disagree we seem to disagree onfundemental facts not interpritation.Also, never feel obligated to respond, just as I should never feel obligated not to give my response.@Gbudd @BlueWaver22
(DIR) Post #AdJuvJPRCGrSQe2nhY by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-12-30T01:52:03.763609Z
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can you please explain what's wrong with this to @FreeinTX i am not getting through
(DIR) Post #AdJv00NjMtP2rcU2wS by anemone@ebiverse.social
2023-12-30T01:52:54.676Z
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@jeffcliff@shitposter.club @FreeinTX@poa.st trying to reason with poastoids is pointless
(DIR) Post #AdJv73rGqDgpfmfJ9k by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-12-30T01:54:10.892477Z
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> If anything, in week 50 of 2022, flu temporarily peaked into "covid territory".this
(DIR) Post #AdJvD8DbXiy2vw0SAa by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-12-30T01:55:14.461784Z
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> According to the CDC the **annual** flu numbers tend to range from ~30K to 50K a year, and 1.6 million US covid deaths in 4 years, how many years of flu is that?
(DIR) Post #AdKMCPM92N4eYese7U by FreeinTX@poa.st
2023-12-30T06:57:41.876443Z
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@BlueWaver22 Holy fuck, you're retarded. The seasonal fucking flu kills 12-52,000 people a year, which is 500-1000 people a fucking week. EVERY FRIGGIN WEEK!! And has been killing people in numbers within that range for the last 20 fucking years! 80+%, every year, are over 65, and have pre-existing serious comorbidities.You weren't losing sleep and demanding the extermination of dozens of species on the planet to stop the seasonal flu, now were you?
(DIR) Post #AdKMFI76QCOsxqDf1c by FreeinTX@poa.st
2023-12-30T06:58:13.128106Z
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@anemone @jeffcliff You're a bunch of hyperventilating and panicked sissies.
(DIR) Post #AdKOj9oA47kZnijEzA by FreeinTX@poa.st
2023-12-30T07:26:01.586944Z
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@jeffcliff @freemo @BlueWaver22 @ikuo1000 @Gbudd They never labeled a gun shot death as a "flu death".
(DIR) Post #AdLDG9nk6gzP2oShRA by FreeinTX@poa.st
2023-12-30T16:52:14.361348Z
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@jeffcliff @BlueWaver22 theepochtimes.com/health/covid-19-vaccinated-children-at-higher-risk-of-tooth-decay-cavities-study-5553831Add cavities and tooth decay in children to that list of side effects caused by taking untested poison.
(DIR) Post #AdLDTDwG2H5XdmfwAK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-12-30T16:54:35.442705Z
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pro: you'll be alive, without as much brain/heart/lung/kidney/immune system damagecon: more tooth decay, small risk of bells palsy/short term immune weirdnessno contest, even if this study is valid, which since the epoch times doesn't seem to list the source, is questionable given how much they've been citing things like cureus lately
(DIR) Post #AdLM0Lo4bRIDET9d1U by TimeSpent@poa.st
2023-12-30T16:56:47.095675Z
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@jeffcliff @FreeinTX @BlueWaver22 dovepress.com/comparison-of-salivary-secretion-ph-and-buffer-capacity-between-covid--peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-IJGM
(DIR) Post #AdLM2X0TvqQuY2zwbg by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-12-30T18:30:36.771159Z
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> socioeconomic factors not ruled outseems like this is a wealth vs. no wealth thing
(DIR) Post #AdMCXDtYEaZPrqiEuu by FreeinTX@poa.st
2023-12-31T04:18:49.691456Z
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@jeffcliff @BlueWaver22 Nigger, tooth decay causes heat disease far more frequent and to a larger range of people than COVID. Lol.
(DIR) Post #AdMCdvnDw4glkgx3oG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-12-31T04:20:02.057972Z
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:blobdoubt:
(DIR) Post #AdMCjM0zrzLqWhynvU by FreeinTX@poa.st
2023-12-31T04:21:01.520680Z
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@jeffcliff @BlueWaver22 health.harvard.edu/heart-health/gum-disease-and-heart-disease-the-common-thread
(DIR) Post #AdMD3deU0Qp91B7aUK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-12-31T04:24:40.824853Z
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that says nothing about the relative risk of covid vs gum disease
(DIR) Post #AdMDAoM6bnXEF2wh7o by Jonaschuzzlewit@nicecrew.digital
2023-12-31T04:25:59.209308Z
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Throw in a covid vaccine or 3 and those folks are fuct
(DIR) Post #AdMDRDNhKc5mUUVpIm by FreeinTX@poa.st
2023-12-31T04:28:57.047164Z
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@jeffcliff @BlueWaver22 And, you're missing the bigger point, dum dum. The jab, not COVID, is changing the Ph levels in your saliva. The jab, not COVID, causes immediate changes in menstruation by 15% of women (which they said was impossible). MRNA from the jab, not COVID, is being found in every organ in the body (which they said could not happen), including mammary glands of pregnant women (which they unanimously said would not happen, and banned people who suggested it did). Rouge DNA, which is not from COVID, is being linked to "turbo cancers" and is a proven future potential for cancers that are known to be related to SV's. Frameshifting that has nothing to do with COVID is being discovered and has the potential of dropping you dead on the spot.If you're over 65 and sick as fuck? By all means, take that shit. But under 65, healthy, you'd be fucking crazy to keep shoving this shit into yourself, twice a year, potentially forever.
(DIR) Post #AdMDcf7GYOolh8HjGK by FreeinTX@poa.st
2023-12-31T04:31:01.212124Z
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@jeffcliff @BlueWaver22 You can figure that one out, yourself. Look at the increased risks to heart disease due to gum disease. Then, look at the increased risk for heart disease from covid. Compare. Best results if you match categories. Age, overall health, severity of the gum disease/covid, etc.
(DIR) Post #AdMtLQpsahtqYZcRUG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-12-31T12:18:30.157611Z
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Yeah. Because a LIFETIME of this amounts to roughly the same as one, being generous maybe two acute covid infections worth of risk according to your dataThere's no contest
(DIR) Post #AdR0zLfMhuf6PzWOrQ by FreeinTX@poa.st
2024-01-02T12:03:00.468047Z
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@jeffcliff @BlueWaver22 You're full of shit, dum dum.