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(DIR) Post #AdJOARapks57fOyyDg by Bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-29T19:43:35Z
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If everyone is on UBI (Universal Basic Income), who is being taxed to provide the funds for the government to provide UBI?(And please don’t say corporations. Companies don’t pay taxes.)
(DIR) Post #AdJOASLGyDEDzQi3bU by BoredStupid@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-29T19:45:01Z
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@Bunnyslope You don’t need to pay taxes when they can just print money from thin air 🤷♂️ 😂
(DIR) Post #AdJPYv8XfDSQCOz5YO by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-12-29T20:00:35Z
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@Bunnyslope the idea behind it being universal is that everyone gets it, even those who won't consider it enough to live well enough on. most won't. many will pay more in taxes than they get in UBI. but we'd get rid of most other support systems we have now if we switched to it, or at least that's the idea. it should be enough that nobody would be homeless, for example. maybe we'd get rid of social security. no more minimum wage laws. it could remove a lot of bureaucracy.
(DIR) Post #AdJWnb0DVJlbmD2EgS by sesnapapa@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-29T20:14:25Z
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@wjmaggos @Bunnyslope
(DIR) Post #AdJWncBF7oBHQhCYVc by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-12-29T21:21:39Z
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@sesnapapa @Bunnyslope
(DIR) Post #AdL70IWxHiFpl8fFD6 by chonky@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T15:42:08Z
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@BoredStupid @Bunnyslope The purpose of taxes is control over the economy. Choosing who will have a wet towels placed on them. Government funding and spending no longer have relation to each other.
(DIR) Post #AdL8lH9ALZ7H24V9jk by Bishop@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T16:01:49Z
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@wjmaggos @Bunnyslope except that that completely ignores how inflation works. Lol!
(DIR) Post #AdL9GXcb90BX6ZB1fs by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-12-30T16:07:28Z
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@Bishop @Bunnyslope 1. will people work enough?2. what does inflation have to say about this rolled out to an entire country or the world?these are my two main questions I'd like better answered before I fully support UBI.I don't think anybody really understands inflation. it's basically as complicated as the economy itself.
(DIR) Post #AdLGv8rYngyPrxTxi4 by Bishop@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T17:33:15Z
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@wjmaggos @Bunnyslope the reason this happens is that value of a useful item is often tied to rarity. If there is less of something, people have to compete for it by offering more of something else in exchange. Its just basic supply/demand. This is also why "raising the minimum wage" never actually works. Sounds nice in theory, but costs go up (because labor is a massive cost) so prices follow - and also, everyone can afford to pay more $ to compete (while its worth less than it used to be)
(DIR) Post #AdLHQYbd8dhMgf0kKW by Bishop@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T17:38:56Z
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@wjmaggos @Bunnyslope This is also why be now have self serve checkouts/ordering. When you have to pay teenagers $15/hour to scan items at the boop machine or to get your order wrong at McDicks, the math doesn't work. As min wage goes up and price of technology goes down (while quality goes up) you reach a point where its economically infeasible to pay people (not to mention, benefits, taxes, pension, etc.)
(DIR) Post #AdLJztp0RzKKWwFQEC by Pantangelini@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T15:39:45Z
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@Bunnyslope 1st, corporations do pay taxes. I hate corporations, but stupidity is worse.In theory it's paid for by incomes which are taxed more than the ubi pays, the same people who pay the majority of the current tax burden.Tariffs and the like can also pay out a ubi. Like Venezuela or guyana collects on oil.
(DIR) Post #AdLJzuS070WETsUZ0a by Bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T16:23:49Z
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@Pantangelini Sorry, as a business owner I can tell you that I do not pay taxes, nor does ANY other company. The people who buy my products and services pay my taxes. If any government (local or federal) increases taxes, do you honestly believe that I *voluntarily* reduce my net profit? Nope. Taxes are a cost of doing business, the same as any of my supplies, utilities, rent, etc. If they increase, my costs increase and subsequently my prices rise.
(DIR) Post #AdLJzvB1PcX0jVYWBM by Pantangelini@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T16:52:54Z
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@Bunnyslope because an economy exists, nobody pays taxes. What a terrific concept.You don't pay rent either.I have been enlightened
(DIR) Post #AdLJzvscnVPSujxL96 by Bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T16:55:19Z
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@Pantangelini You completely missed the point.People pay taxes. Companies do not.
(DIR) Post #AdLJzwci2AGzDfW8ye by Pantangelini@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T16:59:11Z
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@Bunnyslope no, I didn't miss the point. You are suggesting that your business doesn't pay anything as all expenses are a cost of doing business, therefore paid by customers. Which is some asinine bernie sanders logic.Also.corporations are people, ask the government.I do understand people with w2s are taxed more than others, but w2 folks aren't the sole bearers of the tax burden.
(DIR) Post #AdLJzxMnGp8VWb4woC by Pantangelini@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T17:04:01Z
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@Bunnyslope companies own property, and pay property tax, but I suppose that's a cost of doing business so customers pat that, and employees wages are also a cost of doing business, so clearly customers pay employees w2 taxes too.Therefore nobody actually pays taxes, only customers.
(DIR) Post #AdLJzy56c4a7k1oKsS by Bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T17:13:04Z
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@Pantangelini If you were being sarcastic, then you are actually closer than you think.All taxes are paid by consumers. Profit margin is a function of the price elasticity of the good or service that I am selling.
(DIR) Post #AdLJzz0t9EnodEqTwW by Pantangelini@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T17:42:21Z
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@Bunnyslope ohh but you forget that those customers get their money from companies who employ them, so it is in fact the companies and not people who pay all taxes.
(DIR) Post #AdLJzzdsoFziaB5ciu by Bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T17:47:43Z
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@Pantangelini In addition to reading the book I suggested, you may want to read a book on logical reasoning. Economics does not operate on pretzel logic.
(DIR) Post #AdLK00K4HPjqh0pJTc by Pantangelini@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T17:57:28Z
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@Bunnyslope I'm using your pretzel logic to show how dumb what you are saying is.
(DIR) Post #AdLK00zXnCuoleER7o by Bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T18:04:39Z
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@Pantangelini You do realize that you have yet to disprove any of my assertions, correct?It would be helpful for you to actually start and run a business before making any claims or assumptions about taxes that businesses have to pay.
(DIR) Post #AdLK01fNHgNMrNnqKG by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2023-12-30T18:07:42Z
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@Bunnyslope @Pantangelini Sales tax, that would mean all prices go higher inflated, perpetual poverty. Its how universal income would work. They can control who starves or not, who lives who dies. I could be wrong
(DIR) Post #AdLKFacDcuEnb2kRsm by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2023-12-30T18:10:33Z
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@Bunnyslope @Pantangelini Pretzel logic is a Steely dan album.Silicon valley discussions on AI use it a lot.
(DIR) Post #AdLKy34tAIjoc3MGCO by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2023-12-30T18:18:35Z
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@Bunnyslope @Pantangelini Oh and they would tax your Universal income check you receive every month on top of the inflated sales tax on insects and bug food.They truly are retarded. Between Hollywood, Theoretical Physics, and Economic Monetary policy. They are all made up fantasies , systems of illusion. To fuck us.
(DIR) Post #AdLLfTjjvKxDkJAtcG by Pantangelini@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T17:55:42Z
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@Bunnyslope 🤣 You are hilarious.Explain how Facebook property taxes are paid for directly as a pass through to their corporate customers who also aren't people.
(DIR) Post #AdLLfUY4uBDiGQj64u by Bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T18:17:05Z
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@Pantangelini Are you really this dense?Facebag charges advertisers (corporations). If taxes increase, advertising rates increase. Advertisers charge their customers more for their products for the advertising that they do. If advertising rates go up, they charge even more. Advertisers profits don’t go down because of the advertising costs. If fewer corporations advertise, rates continue to increase, and/or revenue increases through other means (verified users) or reduced services.
(DIR) Post #AdLLfVdQrl65dKEt3w by Pantangelini@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T18:20:33Z
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@Bunnyslope holy shit, so corporations pay facebooks taxes....Keep calling other people stupid without looking in a mirror
(DIR) Post #AdLLfWOw195w0eSp6W by Bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T18:17:05Z
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@Pantangelini Their profit margin never decreases.If you really had run an ongoing business, you would understand this intrinsically, and NOT have to ask the question. Now, if you have run businesses that have FAILED, I understand why you don’t understand these core principles.
(DIR) Post #AdLLfWfb1CQEqKG84e by Bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T18:22:40Z
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@Pantangelini I don’t believe that I have called anyone “stupid”, have I?
(DIR) Post #AdLLfXskVmXObPQ9DM by Pantangelini@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T18:23:57Z
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@Bunnyslope sorry, dense.You literally stated corporate advertisers pay facebook's taxes,, therefore disproving your point.I'm sorry being wrong is so difficult for you.
(DIR) Post #AdLLfYcTll7KtEofUe by Pantangelini@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-30T18:24:44Z
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@Bunnyslope @DrFell Can you help me get ian Crossland over here to understand?!?!
(DIR) Post #AdLLfZL95gqX7liL7A by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2023-12-30T18:26:26Z
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@Pantangelini @Bunnyslope Im lost in the woods too not much help