Post AdKisZ9TCoxE5nSYG8 by rrwo@floss.social
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(DIR) Post #AdKfH0FDjAafFiXvKi by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-12-30T10:29:55Z
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Complaints about CEO salaries at non-profits are disproportionately targeted at people who aren't men and you should take that into account before amplifying them
(DIR) Post #AdKh1ow1h5Bbk0SMdM by slothrop@chaos.social
2023-12-30T10:48:45Z
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@mjg59 Yes! Important observation.Are you aware of other CEOs in comparable non-profits that get paid similar amounts? Because we should be discussing those, too.
(DIR) Post #AdKhoqJVMAggCroWeG by larsmb@mastodon.online
2023-12-30T10:52:29Z
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@mjg59 Sure. Yet, Mozilla *Corporation* is not a non-profit.And the funding and commitment to Firefox, which is *what they get paid by Google for*, isn't up to snuff.I'm all for folks being paid well. But the disconnect is real. And that's worth pointing out.(Without ampliyfing Lunduke, who *has* the agenda you refer to.)Personally? I believe Firefox is too important to be funded by the private sector, and we need it under Sovereign Tech Fund etc.
(DIR) Post #AdKi0wlRCQfTggeQJU by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-12-30T10:55:18Z
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@larsmb The question of "Is MoCo spending money effectively" is a massively larger conversation than the CEO's comp and can occur entirely independently, especially given that Firefox is entirely competitive with Chrome but the complaints about Sundar's comp are usually not attached to that
(DIR) Post #AdKiiGgh04qXvn5YpM by vaurora@wandering.shop
2023-12-30T11:01:17Z
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@mjg59 I agree on general and in this specific case the complaints are extremely well deserved and have been for a decade
(DIR) Post #AdKisZ9TCoxE5nSYG8 by rrwo@floss.social
2023-12-30T11:03:26Z
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@mjg59 Maybe the problem is overpaid CEOs in general?Counterpoint: people who work at non-profits deserve to be paid decent salaries, even ones that are competitive with profits.
(DIR) Post #AdKj1nNlfMGOpmY2xU by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-12-30T11:05:18Z
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@vaurora I don't fundamentally disagree and also would probably prefer someone else to be running the org, but also it's not clear that the amount she's paid is grossly incompatible with the amount of value produced? It feels like it's easier to argue about whether the incentive structure for what Mozilla produces is correct and whether this is the right way to achieve that
(DIR) Post #AdKjLXk5WbOg7SP9gO by larsmb@mastodon.online
2023-12-30T11:07:31Z
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@mjg59 Sundar doesn't claim his corp exists to support a non-profit.And yes, it *is* a massively larger conversation than the CEO comp, but the CEO comp *is* part of it.MoCo is owned by the Foundation and all their profits go back there. The Foundation is supposed to control MoCo.~8 mil are ~2% of their annual total expenses. On one employee. While the projects are resource starved. No.
(DIR) Post #AdKoU0OVNhGZ4LADpo by phillmv@hachyderm.io
2023-12-30T12:11:37Z
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@mjg59 @vaurora centrist compromise take: everyone in tech is overpaid but especially the executive class
(DIR) Post #AdKtp276gQLoFms8A4 by vaurora@wandering.shop
2023-12-30T13:11:06Z
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@mjg59 yeah in this specific case I believe that salary could be justified for someone (I have several women in mind, including women of color, whom I would happily support being paid this much in this position). The trouble is that this specific CEO has no accountability or feedback mechanism other than public outrage due to having captured the boards long ago
(DIR) Post #AdKzzyTLA5DTs1s824 by mikael@hachyderm.io
2023-12-30T14:22:08Z
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@mjg59 while this may well be true, and if so is outrageous in itself, iirc the original post made no mention of the CEO’s sex yet still had me think that the money could’ve been better spent, so I guess *that’s* what I reacted to. If the original poster has a track record of spreading a misogynistic agenda I may still think twice about boosting future posts from them, but this in itself doesn’t necessarily invalidate the point of individual posts.
(DIR) Post #AdLMiwUrYDqBlaQpSS by jack_of_sandwich@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-30T18:34:24Z
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@mjg59 haven't seen them targeting at specific CEOs much.Though I question what people like Musk with multiple CEO positions do to deserve millions for a part time job