Post AdKcRGWVl4D0m2psXY by isotopp@chaos.social
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(DIR) Post #AdIhjZwVsHgbXLOUWO by Jeremiah@alpaca.gold
2023-12-29T09:16:10Z
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I want Firefox to succeed more than ever and I support Mozilla finding better revenue sources than search engine default sales, but I do not support a $7M salary for its CEO.I canceled my recurring donation to Mozilla because I need that money more than Mozilla’s CEO needs that money.If there is a direct funding option of developers working on Firefox, I will happily reallocate that money. Send me links.https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5053290/mozilla-2023-annual-report-ceo-pay-skyrockets-while-firefox-marketshare-nosedives#Mozilla #Firefox #webDev
(DIR) Post #AdImxcneY3JsDslbXc by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2023-12-29T12:09:23Z
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@Jeremiah for comparison, the *entire* fundraising drive of the #FSF is 375,000 USD.https://my.fsf.org/donateThat single Mozilla CEO cops a whopping *18 times* more than the goal funding of the entire FSF for 2024!
(DIR) Post #AdIqnh4gCT4aOwFcHY by Gargron@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T10:44:32Z
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@Jeremiah I don’t think the CEO is paid through the same legal entity that receives the donations, but I could be wrong. There are two Mozilla entities though, a non-profit and a for-profit.
(DIR) Post #AdIqo1QgWMYhWyhTMG by tagomago@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T11:02:40Z
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@Gargron @Jeremiah Yes, from what I know, the Mozilla Foundation (non-profit, funded by donations) owns the Mozilla Corporation (the taxable one that receives money from Google, and manages the development of Firefox). So basically the CEO is paid with Google money (or Yahoo money in the past), but so is Firefox.
(DIR) Post #AdJ24vLHVNLv4RR0vQ by ebassi@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T15:24:07Z
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@Jeremiah first of all: never, ever read what drivel Lunduke vomits. He's scum, and if you're getting your information from him you're basically falling for a huckster.Second: your donation goes to the Mozilla Foundation, but the CEO is paid by the Mozilla Corporation, and that money comes from the business deals that are, among other things, made by the CEO.CEO are overpaid? Yes, that's absolutely true all across the industry; is the MoCo CEO paid by donations to the MoFo? No.
(DIR) Post #AdJ6NmF4UmO4IY0lMG by nota@chaos.social
2023-12-29T12:40:48Z
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@Jeremiah be aware that lunduke is a far right figure and manipulative pos and you should not believe anything he has ever said, even if it's factual.And he mostly hates mozilla for completely asinine culture war grudges, not because he actually cares about firefox. He's been on this train for a while.
(DIR) Post #AdJ6OTWbZSxiXNXs9o by rriemann@chaos.social
2023-12-29T10:09:21Z
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@mav @JeremiahI read the entire post. The situation of #Mozilla appears less grim to me than the post headline suggests. Mozilla tries to diversify their income. That's positive. The CEO also received a high salary in the year before.
(DIR) Post #AdJ6TCNWkSnQo4YGBc by Jeremiah@alpaca.gold
2023-12-29T15:33:06Z
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@ebassi I was not aware of Lunduke until today. Several people have pointed out his bad behavior in the past. I will not link to him in the future. I believe his points in this post are valid and have not found similar reporting to update my post with.My objection is to the allocation of capital. $1M less to the CEO could fund several folks making Firefox better. My years of donations to the foundation never getting directed towards Firefox’s development stings doubly.
(DIR) Post #AdJF3JwIuiI0JZYNBw by Ricardus@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-29T18:02:50Z
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@Jeremiah Jeebus. You'd think ONE MILLION would be enough for most people.
(DIR) Post #AdJJOsyIGBS8rY1S8e by Flux@wandering.shop
2023-12-29T18:25:53Z
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@Jeremiah @ebassi there's a great deal of misogyny baked into the claims of "excessive compensation". She's earning at the low side of compensation for a corporation with $3/4B in revenues, most from deals brokered by the CEO rather than direct product revenue.
(DIR) Post #AdJJOu0SPcmI4Y2h9M by ebassi@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T18:31:58Z
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@Flux @Jeremiah also reminder that a lot of this narrative is peddled by Eich, as he was torpedoed out of the CEO position for being a homophobe
(DIR) Post #AdJPhgPfm8nl8mAw8u by nojhan@mamot.fr
2023-12-29T15:34:12Z
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@ebassi @Jeremiah But did the CEO laid off people, and/or failed to hire more, and/or invest in Mozilla's missions, instead of increasing her capital?
(DIR) Post #AdJPhhm2iSI1MReJeK by ebassi@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T15:38:29Z
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@nojhan @Jeremiah that's for the board of MoCo/MoFo to decide, but if they keep her employed I think they are satisfied with her performance.I am all for expressing dismay at the performance of Moz, and their lack of direction; I don't want to single out the MoCo CEO, when clearly the MoFo is behind her; and I don't really want to single out her pay, because adding 10 more engineers isn't going to make Firefox any better if there isn't anyone bringing in cash at year's end.
(DIR) Post #AdJPhijx7iDCMFgA1w by ebassi@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T15:40:46Z
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@nojhan @Jeremiah disclaimer: I worked at Mozilla (for a little bit, 10 years ago), and Mozilla grew far too fast, and far too much, so I don't agree with any assessment that says: "the CEO should get a pay cut and they should hire more people", because that's precisely what broke Mozilla. The issue is lack of direction, and a market that has been monopolised by Google, and that isn't going to be fixed by a bunch more people hacking on Firefox on Linux.
(DIR) Post #AdJPhjq12eejlLWW7U by dekkzz76@emacs.ch
2023-12-29T15:54:53Z
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@ebassi @nojhan @Jeremiah @louis Mozilla is almost a case study in clueless management leadership, how much did they pay for pocket?i remove it from the UI but every update there it is back front & centre.
(DIR) Post #AdJPhktb6p7D2kCtLE by ebassi@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T16:14:44Z
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@dekkzz76 @nojhan @Jeremiah @louis the sins of Mozilla run a lot deeper than acquiring a bookmark service, and in general have nothing to do with how they spent money on acquisitions or even hiring practices. Ironically, it's the ironclad conviction that Firefox should be a product that messed them up; if they focused on making it embeddable, we would not have Chrome at the heart of everything… or, at least, not as much (can't fight Google on money and resources)
(DIR) Post #AdJPhloJhwU9sekBkW by louis@emacs.ch
2023-12-29T20:02:09Z
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@ebassi @dekkzz76 @nojhan @Jeremiah We all know how much money Mozilla gets from Google under the pretence of being the pre-set search engine of a minority browser. Obviously, however, Mozilla's management has perhaps been given a mandate: to limit the spread of Firefox as much as possible. To spend money for ridiculous acquisitions, just not the advance of Firefox. And to limiting the introduction of innovative features. Avoiding antitrust cases for being a de-facto monopoly is just a nice side effect.So far, they have been very successful with their strategy: Firefox is almost unknown to the general public and it is very unlikely that will ever change.Always follow the money and everything makes sense.
(DIR) Post #AdKcREV1HdpMUq7ewC by isotopp@chaos.social
2023-12-30T09:19:46Z
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@Jeremiah you are linking to Lunduke. This person has made it their Modus operandi to present carefully curated facts in a biased way to enrage and monetize the rage.It is always possible but usually not worth the effort to fact check this into oblivion. It is always sad to see people take the bait, tho
(DIR) Post #AdKcRGWVl4D0m2psXY by isotopp@chaos.social
2023-12-30T09:22:46Z
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@Jeremiah There is for example Mozilla Corp, which has that CEO, and Mozilla Foundation, to which you donated. They are different entities that do different things and have different goals.If you care about your donations it is worthwhile to learn the difference and read their statements
(DIR) Post #AdKcRIa86aI99qXnSS by isotopp@chaos.social
2023-12-30T09:24:49Z
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@Jeremiah there is also the archive page of the Lunduke page. It is useful to go there, browse the subjects and form an opinion.This is not a good faith actor, and they should not be read as one.
(DIR) Post #AdKcRKgaHYdvgRZynQ by isotopp@chaos.social
2023-12-30T09:26:11Z
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@Jeremiah maybe it is simply best to not amplify such people, and simply delete the original post
(DIR) Post #AdNvkLusPdJLbavXrE by Jeremiah@alpaca.gold
2023-12-30T13:30:14Z
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Thanks to helpful replies, I have redirected my Mozilla Foundation donations to @servo and @openwebdocs.Servo is the next-gen browser engine with significant contributions merged into Firefox. It started as a R&D project at Mozilla, but its developers were part of the Mozilla layoff. Its work continues under the Linux Foundation.https://crowdfunding.lfx.linuxfoundation.org/projects/e98e012f-479e-45d0-8781-4d7f616baa9dOpen Web Docs is the non-profit that took over primary MDN development after the Mozilla layoff.https://opencollective.com/open-web-docs#Mozilla #webDev
(DIR) Post #AdNvkN0wKZkt0gltwm by robey@messydesk.social
2023-12-30T21:04:13Z
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@Jeremiah @servo @openwebdocs omg i cant stop laughing... they spun off the 2 most useful projects they had!
(DIR) Post #AdNvkNjbeVU5FDfZZI by Jeremiah@alpaca.gold
2023-12-30T13:41:20Z
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If you enjoy Thunderbird and want to redirect your Mozilla Foundation donations more purposefully, here is Thunderbird’s fund:https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/donate/(Thunderbird is not relevant to me, as I have used webmail exclusively for nearly a decade. I am sharing for those who stumble upon this thread since it was mentioned repeatedly in replies.)
(DIR) Post #AdNvkNuazeH5nIoLhI by ian@mckellar.social
2024-01-01T00:20:00Z
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@robey @Jeremiah @servo @openwebdocs I've been using @openwebdocs since it was called "Netscape DevEdge". It's consistently been the best resource supporting the open web. When Mozilla tried to kill it they announced once and for all that they've abandoned any pretense of pursuing their mission any more :-(