Post AdJqtV5OPe82FPY6BU by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
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(DIR) Post #AdJOE19tymRmqA5b3w by jwz@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T19:40:12Z
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Remember when Mozilla made a web browser?Mozilla 2023 Annual Report: CEO pay skyrockets, while Firefox Marketshare nosedives:Earlier this year, Mozilla laid out their vision for the future of their organization -- and it did not include Firefox....https://jwz.org/b/ykH2
(DIR) Post #AdJZ8YMGjMKBZ5TFGS by thomholwerda@exquisite.social
2023-12-29T19:43:44Z
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@jwz Dude, you're linking to known and openly nazi Brian Lunduke. Wtf?
(DIR) Post #AdJZ8ZIPFCpSTOffsm by pinchito@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T21:31:43Z
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@thomholwerda @jwz Why is he a nazi? He seems to dislike them a healthy amount: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4993328/who-is-the-real-first-computer-programmer plus he is Jewish apparently: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/unb6uy/what_happened_to_bryan_lunduke/?rdt=54586
(DIR) Post #AdJnliFZHkAItcu4Rc by jwz@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T20:25:44Z
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P.S. don't use Chrome. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
(DIR) Post #AdJq9JS3KyW2qK7ksi by americanjeff@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T19:43:25Z
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@jwz Oh great, and I just switched to firefox
(DIR) Post #AdJq9KL02gT5ajpdWi by Schouten_B@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T22:14:20Z
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@americanjeff @jwz The main point here is that donations do not go to the Corporation and aren't involved in paying the salary of people in the corporation (including the CEO).
(DIR) Post #AdJq9L8z2qS05lDYR6 by jwz@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T22:20:41Z
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@Schouten_B @americanjeff "Siri what is money laundering"
(DIR) Post #AdJq9Lxg0N04cyw2S0 by Schouten_B@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T22:23:13Z
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@jwz @americanjeff It's not money laundering. They serve different purposes. Donations should go directly to promoting the open web, not to the development of profitable products.Analogously Mitchell's CEO salary of a (very profitable) for-profit company should not be paid from the donations people make to the mission of Mozilla. The structure supports that.
(DIR) Post #AdJq9MmiwZpjBIoo1A by jwz@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T22:26:02Z
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@Schouten_B @americanjeff Yeaaahhhhhh see, now you're doing the "I work for Mozilla, not Mozilla" thing again and shell-corp three card monte is the *very basis* of a money laundry.
(DIR) Post #AdJq9Ng1cy4LwogyDQ by Schouten_B@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T22:29:24Z
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@jwz @americanjeff But I do work for a for-profit corporation. It would be very disingenuous to deny that. And it would be absurd to accept the salary that I receive if it was coming out or donations rather than a profitable product.Could I make a lot more at Facebook? Sure. That doesn't mean I'm being a philanthropist here. It's important to be clear about the difference.
(DIR) Post #AdJq9OiBmPOV9oiDE8 by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-30T00:58:31Z
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@Schouten_B @jwz @americanjeff Moeny is, you will be shocked to hear, fungible. To say "I'm getting paid out of the money that goes into the box through slot A, not the money that goes into the box through slot B" is thus not as meaningful as it might first appear.
(DIR) Post #AdJqo4OCF7vk08krCq by Schouten_B@mastodon.social
2023-12-30T01:05:51Z
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@publius @jwz @americanjeff But it is meaningful, because the important thing is people's money ends up where the person who paid said money intended it to go to. I.e. it becomes non fungible as soon as someone donates.It's like saying if you paid for a couch, and someone gave you a table, that it's equivalent because the fungible resource paid was the same.
(DIR) Post #AdJqtPIHwmsYHfXJS4 by jwz@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T21:17:27Z
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Elsewhere I saw someone post this image as a *defense of* rather than *parody of* Mozilla's corporate structure. Apparently this infographic comes from somewhere deep within the comically un-navigable "stateof.mozilla.org" (seriously, that site's design is like the "don't" list for the modern web's ills.)"This is where the Innovation goes in."
(DIR) Post #AdJqtQCeZDxv6TuKJ6 by daniel@social.telemetrydeck.com
2023-12-29T21:18:56Z
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@jwz AI.
(DIR) Post #AdJqtRFAhLZeKa5qs4 by gwozniak@discuss.systems
2023-12-29T21:21:10Z
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@daniel @jwz Accurately depicted as a bubble.
(DIR) Post #AdJqtS39hVYYpbTlmS by MBridegam@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T21:25:13Z
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@gwozniak @daniel @jwz Yeah, wondered that. What AI is Mozilla into?
(DIR) Post #AdJqtT8rdliWDb9qJk by Brendanjones@fosstodon.org
2023-12-29T21:32:04Z
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@MBridegam @gwozniak @daniel @jwz this I am also wondering. They don’t have any existing products that use it afaik, so what are they starting?
(DIR) Post #AdJqtU2AK9x8z720W0 by nikclayton@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T22:42:47Z
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@Brendanjones @MBridegam @gwozniak @daniel @jwz privacy-preserving on-device translation support is one example (the text you're translating never goes to servers run by anyone else).
(DIR) Post #AdJqtV5OPe82FPY6BU by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-30T01:06:49Z
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@nikclayton @Brendanjones @MBridegam @gwozniak @daniel @jwz Is it clear that such a thing is actually feasible? The storage and processing requirements of LLMs are apparently quite high ― at least according to a recent Wall Street Journal article, discussing billions of planned dollars of investments in new server complexes.
(DIR) Post #AdJuHmnoUj1C0Tb9ua by mima@makai.chaotic.ninja
2023-12-30T01:44:53.890Z
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@jwz@mastodon.social That image just makes Mozilla look to me like some sort of corp trying to scam the IRS with its "non-profit" bullshit. :koakuma_giggle: Like I sensed before already that Mozilla's structure is pretty questionable, but this image just solidified my belief :kokoro_lmao:
(DIR) Post #AdJujCEU3OrshC8wrY by jztusk@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T20:07:05Z
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@thomholwerda @jwz Yikes. I don't know the guy, but my initial research gives of a strong whiff of grift. But I wouldn't be surprised if there were problems like this at Mozilla. Would love to see a better source cover this.
(DIR) Post #AdJujDLxt4RkAgeRA8 by jwz@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T20:11:29Z
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@jztusk @thomholwerda I have no idea who this guy is, but he linked to primary sources and drew the obvious conclusions. If you have dispute about the numbers in the annual report from *Mozilla itself* I'd sure love to hear about that.
(DIR) Post #AdJujE29MEBsHWO7uq by jztusk@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T20:18:52Z
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@jwz @thomholwerda I've no time to dive deep, but over on this threadhttps://mastodon.social/@kotnik/111664836177365056there's a lot of questioning of how much "no mention of Firefox" in that one document means. "The obvious conclusions" might just be "my prejudices".
(DIR) Post #AdJujFbHX5t38lphJY by jwz@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T20:20:46Z
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@jztusk If you want to make the claim that the collection of shell companies that all call themselves Mozilla are focused on making the web browser succeed, go for it -- because from all available evidence, that is very much [citation needed].
(DIR) Post #AdJujGIWwITvIu4Ej2 by Schouten_B@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T22:18:47Z
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@jwz @jztusk Mozilla's mission isn't about making money off a browser though. Firefox could have a 90% market share and that wouldn't mean Mozilla is successful.The mission revolves around a healthy, open web. While the browser, and standards obviously play some role in that, the web has grown a lot since 2000 and it's going to take a lot more to make/keep it healthy.(Disclaimer: I am employed by Mozilla to work on Firefox)
(DIR) Post #AdJujH1YEuUhYX8Bto by oblomov@sociale.network
2023-12-29T22:51:42Z
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@Schouten_B @jwz @jztusk ROTFL what? No surprise Firefox is in free nosedive when people employed by Mozilla to work on Firefox work that way. A browser with a market share to compete with Blink is literally the *only* thing left to protect “a healthy, open web”. One that supports web standards *regardless* of what Google decides to do with Chrome, instead of meekly following what the overlord dictates.
(DIR) Post #AdJujHqFCR2m5kqfui by Schouten_B@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T22:57:26Z
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@oblomov @jwz @jztusk A healthy, open web goes well beyond web standards :-).Having said that, not a nosedive market share has been flattening and in 2023 it has actually been stable 🙂.I work hard to make Firefox faster and we've made some great progress and I'm proud of all the hard work people did. But that doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the fact we have to to beyond that.
(DIR) Post #AdJujIZGV33YLNud5U by oblomov@sociale.network
2023-12-29T23:05:18Z
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@Schouten_B @jwz @jztusk a healthy open web *starts* from web standards.Not «Google decided to kill Reader, so we remove support for RSS too».Not «Google decided to pull JPEG XL support so we're not going to enable it either.»I'm going to stop here for the sake of my mental health.
(DIR) Post #AdJujJOJRFtCthnOee by Schouten_B@mastodon.social
2023-12-29T23:14:56Z
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@oblomov @jwz @jztusk Sometimes it's important to pick battles and look where you can make a difference.Supporting JPEG-XR (big fan, fwiw) when noone is using it isn't adding value.To be clear, I wasn't involved in said decisions. But they have to be made.Wouldn't want you to risk your mental health though 🙂.
(DIR) Post #AdJujK4UuPdL0XX5PM by oblomov@sociale.network
2023-12-29T23:21:24Z
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@Schouten_B @jwz @jztusk Firefox is doing absolutely nothing to “make a difference”.No one can use JPEG XL if no browser decides to support it. UA implementors have to make the first step here, and by refusing to do so Firefox is driving the last nail in the format's coffin. If the same attitude had been used for web standards when IE had 90% market share, the open web would have been killed then and there.Thanks for confirming that Firefox is doing nothing to protect the open web today.
(DIR) Post #AdJvlGgUZbMh2HnOyG by mima@makai.chaotic.ninja
2023-12-30T02:01:23.901Z
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@jwz@mastodon.social It's also fascinating to me how he doesn't see what's wrong with their model intentionally not giving the donations directly to #Firefox's development. You know, the very "product" people know #Mozilla for???And I definitely know many people who have donated to Mozilla thinking it will help developers spend more time improving Firefox, when it's clearly not the case!@Schouten_B@mastodon.social @americanjeff@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #AdJwcDwzT6GNu9lQyu by gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks
2023-12-30T02:10:59.898Z
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@mima@makai.chaotic.ninja Serious question: given this dilemma, how can one best fund open source browser development? (Regardless if firefox or not)Encourage the people working on FF to setup liberapay?@jwz@mastodon.social @Schouten_B@mastodon.social @americanjeff@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #AdJwdk4LXO05oBvdUu by gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks
2023-12-30T02:11:18.344Z
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@mima@makai.chaotic.ninja Serious question: given this dilemma, how can one best fund open source browser development? (Regardless if firefox or not)Encourage the people working on FF to setup liberapay?@jwz@mastodon.social @Schouten_B@mastodon.social @americanjeff@mastodon.socialRE: https://mk.gabe.rocks/notes/9nhp0q8zx0
(DIR) Post #AdJwzGArMnqlShEfr6 by Schouten_B@mastodon.social
2023-12-30T02:14:51Z
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@gabriel @jwz @americanjeff @mima Honest answer: I don't think funding is helpful or needed here. The most useful thing you can do is to spread the message of why engine diversity matters and encourage people around you to make a conscious choice as to what browsers to use! Those users will pay for themselves and implicitly help browser development!Oh. And file bugs and tell us why they matter when you find them 🙂.
(DIR) Post #AdJxWculq5LNXwcXWi by Schouten_B@mastodon.social
2023-12-30T02:20:49Z
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@gabriel @jwz @americanjeff @mima (I'm very familiar with the 'where can I send my money' sentiment, as for those of us with plenty of financial resources money is so much less precious than time. But sadly I'm afraid our money can do a lot less good here than our time and effort 🙂)
(DIR) Post #AdJxq1FDbbuKVRQqHI by burner@norwoodzero.net
2023-12-30T02:24:43.077959Z
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@gabriel @jwz @Schouten_B @americanjeff @mima Not reading the whole thread, but -Liberapay/their own version of it. But if I'm directly donating, I would want a way to reach the devs for feature requests/bug reports. REAPER, a DAW, offers you 10 years of updates and support if you buy their 80ish CAD license, whenever I send them an email about a bug, they start investigating it within a day. I would like that level of service if I'm donating to a browser.-Consensual affiliate link URL injection on eCommerce sites. -Using the browser as a means to make users aware of their other commercial services (for example, if Valve made a FOSS browser that has some features that integrate with Steam.)
(DIR) Post #AdJxqYKgaItB7xFAsi by mima@makai.chaotic.ninja
2023-12-30T02:24:45.932Z
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@gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks I don't really have the best answer that can apply to all open-source browsers out there; I don't think it can be universal. One thing's for sure though: if they want to rely entirely on donations, that's totally cool! If they want to rely entirely on partnership deals and profits from a corporation, that's fine too, just make it absolutely clear that you're doing that (so no using the exact same name preceding "Corporation" and "Foundation" please).I can tell you about one browser called #PaleMoon whose monetary model I know well and is simple: development benefits from both donations and a search partnership deal with #DuckDuckGo. However they're able to do this because they don't have to spin-off a corporation to take the DDG money (which probably just number around some thousands of dollars or maybe even just some hundreds, all I know is that donations still make up most of the revenue). And most of the time it isn't really money that is holding back Pale Moon's development, but lack of developers who can work in the CSS and JS engines.So that's why it's not simple to answer that question. But if you really want an answer, I guess just accept both kinds of money and try to make it legal? Not sure how Mozilla could do that though... And it's not simple to let the browser's development just be entirely funded by donations either, because while there is no doubt a dedicated amount of users who will give out money, I am skeptical it can be enough to sustain the speed of development Firefox is in right now with its 4-week release cycle.@jwz@mastodon.social @Schouten_B@mastodon.social @americanjeff@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #AdJzRdOIqAqTU5BIsi by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-12-30T02:42:14.841863Z
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@jwz Meaning that instead of what Mozilla supporters are saying, Firefox sits on both (donation + search revenue), how surprising.
(DIR) Post #AdK0OA0Lk2yPQgsusS by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2023-12-30T02:52:49.836018Z
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@jwz >Sometimes I think back on my time amongst these clowns and realize that if I had stayed in the tech industry instead of buying a bar, I would be repellently rich right now. On the other hand I probably would have killed myself, so there's that. it takes a certain kind of person (using the word loosely) to succeed in tech and not also want to kill themselves
(DIR) Post #AdKLQNL7EQm8P5Um48 by nikclayton@mastodon.social
2023-12-30T06:48:56Z
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@publius @Brendanjones @MBridegam @gwozniak @daniel @jwz yes. I believe it's already shipping, and there's are other libraries (eg https://developers.google.com/ml-kit/language/translation/translation-language-support) that are also on-device only.
(DIR) Post #AdKZfy3EQ6ZNxrSXTc by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-12-30T09:28:41Z
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@jwz What the fuck.
(DIR) Post #AdKZu0gfPr3MC6bJjM by hashfastr@an.exchange
2023-12-30T07:27:28Z
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@jwz I’m much more worried about thunderbird, nothing can replace it
(DIR) Post #AdKZu1LQyHfAEXfsH2 by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-12-30T09:31:13Z
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@hashfastr tried claws mail ?
(DIR) Post #AdLHS57Rjz09oYcTyK by hashfastr@an.exchange
2023-12-30T17:39:10Z
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@otyugh no
(DIR) Post #AdLKQQWnTJBvUpNbjE by vv221@fediverse.dotslashplay.it
2023-12-30T17:51:17Z
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I switched from Thunderbird to Claws Mail a couple weeks ago, and am having a real nice experience with it. I don’t think I am going back to Thunderbird, despite it being my only mail client for the last ~15 years.I still need to investigate a couple bugs I get with Claws Mail before I can call my experience flawless, but I am already satisfied with it as my daily driver.By the way, before switching I too was sure that nothing could replace Thunderbird ;)CC: @jwz@mastodon.social @otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
(DIR) Post #AdLKQRGshy3RnkwPYm by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-12-30T18:12:27Z
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@vv221 Yay, claw buddy. Also their IRC room is often populated by one of the main dev and (a few month ago) was very helpful and patient. It counts as a plus for me ~ @hashfastr @jwz
(DIR) Post #AdLOx7xnukLvICrPSy by deutrino@mstdn.io
2023-12-30T19:03:04Z
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@publius fancy (and usable) "AI" output per unit of computing expended is a metric that's seeing a lot of improvement. and training the models requires far more computing power than running them.so yes, on-device "AI" of this particular type is within the realm of feasibility.@nikclayton @Brendanjones @MBridegam @gwozniak @daniel @jwz
(DIR) Post #AdMBZdHuh9YNFOh1Oa by dsfgs@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-30T03:23:08Z
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@mima @gabriel @jwz @Schouten_B @americanjeff We were going to say redirect donations to a fork of Firefox rather than Firefox.FF really doesn't respect ppls donations. They are Goo-funded. Scamazon and Cloud(G)lare work through them too. A few years ago Mozilla snubbed bitcoin donations. Their priorities are clear.Projects that seem to respect ppl and/or seem to need support/volunteers, include #I2P, #gNUSocial, FSF, #Parabola (gnulinux), #libreboot.at, ForgeFed, #OpenWRT, DeCloudflare.
(DIR) Post #AdMBZepyvyOo3Ldk8W by mima@makai.chaotic.ninja
2023-12-31T04:08:01.079Z
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@dsfgs@mastodon.sdf.orgA few years ago Mozilla snubbed bitcoin donations.Small FOSS projects like #PaleMoon reject donations in cryptocurrency (especially Bitcoin) too, due to how unstable its market price is (gotta convert it back to real cash you know, so you can actually use it to feed yourself) and how it's most notoriously used in crime. It has nothing to do with your conspiracy thinking that corporate influence is somehow behind why FOSS projects don't want your crypto; it's practicality in the real world which from time-to-time again that field has failed to deliver.Their priorities are clear.Which is to get real funding, not what is essentially shares in the stock market.@gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks @jwz@mastodon.social @Schouten_B@mastodon.social @americanjeff@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #AdMBZfMF02CffOjVQ0 by dsfgs@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-30T03:42:45Z
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@mima @gabriel @jwz @Schouten_B @americanjeffAlso, support the #fediPact (fedipact.online) to stop #FbookThreads.Use a sane #'fediverseIcon.There's a limit to what can be achieved via online anonymous contributions. We cannot underestimate the need for horizontal action. At some stage we need to tell the clerk we'll join their #rewardsProgram if they run a #BTCPayServer that we can have a channel with.Freely share with people in your area the joys of #freedomSoftware you've learned.
(DIR) Post #AdMBfMkD7I7hfxf8Hw by mima@makai.chaotic.ninja
2023-12-31T04:09:05.156Z
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@dsfgs@mastodon.sdf.org There are many things to criticize #Mozilla for, but rejecting #cryptocurrency for donations is not one of them.@gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks @jwz@mastodon.social @Schouten_B@mastodon.social @americanjeff@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #AdMCDqOVNx7hTlwzHk by Schouten_B@mastodon.social
2023-12-31T04:14:33Z
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@mima @gabriel @jwz @americanjeff @dsfgs Fair. People will criticize us on whatever we do though. You should have seen the kinds of toxicity and threats people at Mozilla who support crypto received when we did take crypto donations (for a very bried period).Solipsism and narcicism are the real threats to a diverse and equitable world.
(DIR) Post #AdMCMlRTAP4qj6afBI by dsfgs@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-31T04:14:24Z
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@mima @gabriel @jwz @Schouten_B @americanjeff Cash is used most for crime, not crypto, by orders of magnitude. Tropes and memes take time to fade, though.Bitcoin is ethical money not stocks, if Moz don't see that it's because they don't ***want*** to see that (again the Goo' influence).The (fairly easy to avoid) fluctuations are the cost of having basic morals and ethic.
(DIR) Post #AdMCMmGA7vcvGKJ9CC by Schouten_B@mastodon.social
2023-12-31T04:16:42Z
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@dsfgs @mima @gabriel @jwz @americanjeff Nah man. By ratio of transactions crypto is used for crime -way more- than cash. To be clear, that's not a criticism of crypto per sé, just inherent to the ability to have untraceable transactions at a distance.I can say with 100% certainty it wasn't Google who stopt Mozilla from accepting crypto.
(DIR) Post #AdMCSBEIiUBm9Z0tIu by mima@makai.chaotic.ninja
2023-12-31T04:17:53.755Z
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@dsfgs@mastodon.sdf.orgCash is used most for crime, not crypto, by orders of magnitude.Billions of people around the world transacting every day in hard cash would like to disagree with you on that.@gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks @jwz@mastodon.social @Schouten_B@mastodon.social @americanjeff@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #AdMCaaMp8jZkQs0YQC by Schouten_B@mastodon.social
2023-12-31T04:18:58Z
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@mima @gabriel @jwz @americanjeff @dsfgs Yeah. This notion is absurd. I'm sure more crime happens in cash, but the interesting number here is legal transactions vs illicit ones. And Crypto -clearly- 'wins' on that one.
(DIR) Post #AdMCuACs76x75YgkSG by mima@makai.chaotic.ninja
2023-12-31T04:22:57.389Z
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@dsfgs@mastodon.sdf.orgBitcoin is ethical money not stocks, if Moz don't see that it's because they don't want to see that (again the Goo' influence).But effectively that's how #cryptocurrency works right now. The majority of transactions in #crypto involve trading them back and forth for fiat and other cryptocurrencies. Not for buying fruits, meat, basic damn commodities everyday people consume.Real currencies get traded too, mind you, but that's only a smaller portion compared to actual usage as a currency to you know, trade real stuff.The (fairly easy to avoid) fluctuationsEasy to avoid by converting them back immediately to fiat. Which shows how pointless cryptocurrency is as a real currency for use to trade real goods.@gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks @jwz@mastodon.social @Schouten_B@mastodon.social @americanjeff@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #AdMDYIUyhflIOCIL68 by dsfgs@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-31T04:26:21Z
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@mima @gabriel @jwz @Schouten_B @americanjeff The fluctuations are easy to avoid because people are slowly realising that a decentralised money system is the way to go and so you have to be really impatient to fail at using bitcoin.
(DIR) Post #AdMDYJHBoQKIniqqFE by mima@makai.chaotic.ninja
2023-12-31T04:30:07.591Z
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@dsfgs@mastodon.sdf.org Funny that you mention "impatient", because each transaction you do in bitcoin takes a ridiculous amount to complete that they had to create the Lightning Network to reduce the bottleneck. Which essentially centralizes all transactions to this network.How ironic that a supposedly "decentralized" currency needs regulation and centralization in order to actually work! It's almost like the evil central banks knew already what to do in order to make a currency work!@gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks @jwz@mastodon.social @Schouten_B@mastodon.social @americanjeff@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #AdMDz1jp7vCIE4z5mq by Schouten_B@mastodon.social
2023-12-31T04:32:47Z
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@mima @gabriel @jwz @americanjeff @dsfgs Yeah, this is the fundamental issue, the virtue of crypto (a central bank in an authoritarian shithole can't regulate it), is also its greatest vice (it's harder to regulate in a democracy that doesn't like people selling pictures of children being raped).In order to be socially acceptable in a democracy, cryptocurrencies have to give up their one and only selling point. I just don't see how they can add value.