Post AdHpO1pk6MPq8vVCiG by erincandescent@queer.af
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 (DIR) Post #AdHpNzhW1ye9Wpdbc0 by erincandescent@queer.af
       2023-12-29T00:25:18Z
       
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       @james CCC has always been more of a nerd get-together rather than a conference. Yeah, there's talks, but basically nobody spends the majority of their time at the talks.Congress (which i've been to three times, though not this year) and the vaguely-overlapping camps (CCCamp, EMFCamp, the Dutch camps which change name every time) is kinda just a nerd gatherhing where everyone goes all out with the lighting/aesthetics/etc and friends from all over the continent gathered in one place. Its kinda incomparable to a typical conference.But also yeah there are increasing amounts of disagreement between many of the attendees, the various volunteer teams (NOC, VOC, POC, etc) and leadership at CCC eV ("the" Chaos Computer Club) and CCCV (the speical-purpose-events-company)
       
 (DIR) Post #AdHpO1pk6MPq8vVCiG by erincandescent@queer.af
       2023-12-29T00:35:58Z
       
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       @james anyway basically CCC (and the similar but smaller events) are kinda unique in many ways and so you end up with a situation where people moan about them and try to complain from within because there's not really any alternative equivalents
       
 (DIR) Post #AdHpZ3DnHWTtdJ0YWe by erincandescent@queer.af
       2023-12-29T00:48:43Z
       
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       @james @jonty so one thing to note (which I understand completely) is that enforcement would have to be done by volunteers and basically nobody wants to do that miserable job; it's my understanding that typically they can barely get people to check tickets/wristbandsBut even given that, the lack of a recommendation is disappointing (and imo says things about the head orga team)
       
 (DIR) Post #AdHpZ3ywSEC9zX4D0y by jonty@chaos.social
       2023-12-29T00:57:18Z
       
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       @erincandescent @james There's a joke that "only people who haven't been to CCC events buy a ticket, everyone else just walks in" which holds some truth.All their security is done by volunteers (a team which is exclusively women and non-binary folk, and you *do not fuck with*), but there are not enough of them and the escalation sometimes goes wrong - I've witnessed it in person.
       
 (DIR) Post #AdHpZ5jlvbFVR3z7eC by jonty@chaos.social
       2023-12-29T00:59:13Z
       
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       @erincandescent @james I think acknowledging that they expect there to be COVID instances is reasonable - it would be absolutely ludicrous to suggest otherwise.As for the masking recommendation, yeah, I agree, I think this does say a lot about the team. I don't think enforcement is practical (or reasonable given current practises in Germany) but I do think they should be advising that you bring masks and use them in the halls, as well as providing free ones.
       
 (DIR) Post #AdHpdtLHRKiyROolqS by jonty@chaos.social
       2023-12-29T01:00:02Z
       
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       @james @erincandescent It's very common in Germany - we can't do that in the UK even if we wanted to, they wouldn't grant us a license. (Which we don't, good lord)