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(DIR) Post #AdFfGBqdb3KV1mcnNw by Bernard@friends.ravergram.club
2023-12-28T00:37:41Z
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The US has two populist candidates running against the unpopular establishment president. If the establishment knocks off one of the populists, the other will get most of the dead one's votes. If the establishment knocks off both of them, revolution or civil war seems inevitable. A staged event like a massive cyberattack could justify cancelled elections. The mask is off and anything seems possible. Ideas?
(DIR) Post #AdFgGRhYklc29Q438a by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2023-12-28T00:48:56Z
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@Bernard "the other will get most of the dead one's votes" seems unlikely unless the two shared political views.I don't know who's a "populist". Decades ago I thought populists were on the side of the people against some organized nastiness. Now populism seems to refer to organized nastiness.If you named the people to whom you refer, it would clarify the question.
(DIR) Post #AdFiEZL1acjjAFkyGm by Bernard@friends.ravergram.club
2023-12-28T01:11:01Z
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@ecsd Trump and RFKjr are populist candidates. They have similar anti-establishment appeal but differ in their policy positions.
(DIR) Post #AdFk9LWfiPc4mrqFns by jazzilla@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-28T01:32:30Z
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@Bernard volunteer at shiva4president.
(DIR) Post #AdFkNGXZ346fNXteVc by jazzilla@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-28T01:35:01Z
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@Bernard He's really knocking it out here.[The Free Thought Project Podcast] Guest: Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai - False Heroes & The ’Swarm’ - How The Elite Rule The World #theFreeThoughtProjectPodcast https://podcastaddict.com/the-free-thought-project-podcast/episode/168763544 via @PodcastAddict
(DIR) Post #AdFlFPpiiKIfpzD3NQ by Bernard@friends.ravergram.club
2023-12-28T01:44:46Z
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@jazzilla I have heard a few interviews with him. He is definitely anti-establishment. I don't think he has much chance against the two leading populists. I am trying to guess what moves the establishment/DNC might make. They are acting desperately to retain power.
(DIR) Post #AdFliuV3m5X9LYbsbQ by jazzilla@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-28T01:50:08Z
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@Bernard You're an American. You're going to get the purchased candidate. Stop worrying about that stuff.Fall back and try to get ppl to recognize the extent of the battle. This is the best thing you can do.Disconnect from establishment tales.
(DIR) Post #AdFlrTg4rurElUqfzs by jazzilla@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-28T01:51:40Z
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@Bernard btw, that's one of his best interviews, IMO.
(DIR) Post #AdFogubYiJAMxHO9Ym by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2023-12-28T02:23:21Z
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@Bernard I've twice issued a "show me why we should care that Trump is disenfranchised" post, no answers. RFKjr, I predict, will not survive his aggressive defense of Zionism.Sadly, I do not see any retreat from Biden by "the people", only the people paying attention to events. I don't think Biden will make it to the election, and I do hope other states wreck Trump's chances. As I feel about it, "the whole shit" has to go: the pretenses that our people are offered anything by either "established party"; the continued charade that anything will happen to benefit the people must fail in public view.There's what I wish would happen and what is likely to happen. I don't know "what will happen." We saw the "soft" response to a "dangerous" man - Sanders, dangerous to the establishment. They murdered his candidacy. The more certain someone dangerous to their agenda will take power, the more likely they will kill that person, literally or effectively. All we can hope is that the attention of the "mass" is enough to suppress that instinct.As things stand now, I want to see Stein or West win, and what I really want to see is the two groups merge prior to the election, putting first whoever is in the lead between the two, so we will have eitherStein/West 2024West/Stein 2024with the best chance of overcoming the "duopoly stupefaction" Americans suffer from.As to what /will/ happen, Biden is toast: "Genocide Joe has nowhere to go." If Trump is not further disqualified, it will be Trump, and with luck, the third party will BEAT THE DEMOCRATS. The American people need to see that the duopoly is oustable. I will leave it to Trump's corruption to for another four years give the American People nothing to celebrate, so that by 2028, they will indeed oust the duopoly.The warnings about dictator Trump: eh. He wins if nobody does anything at all, but I predict everyone will sandbag any next attempt (by him) to kill the constitution.==We could do worse than RFKjr winning, but in my opinion if when push comes to shove he does not refute Israel once in office, he too becomes a public enemy to be ignored into nonexistence, politically speaking.-------------------------------------------As a dabbler in Astrology, when so much shit is headed for the fan at once, one looks for 'reasons why'. We seem to be headed for multiple "deaths of institutions". When it's death and destruction, you look at Pluto [{laughs:} no longer a planet; I haven't read anything about the trauma that inflicted on Astrologers.] Anyway, some bad aspect of Pluto to another 'heavy' planet, what do we see dying? A whole lot of really bad rot:ZionismThe US security statePropaganda empiresCapitalismMilitarismRich assholesThe entire world is looking forward to a brighter future. That implies all the liars who've been running things up til now, simply have to Go Away.In the US, it's a start to purge Zionist influence from all three branches. Then maybe elected representatives will represent The People's interests for a change.
(DIR) Post #AdH2mj8VrKHhdkQgeu by Bernard@friends.ravergram.club
2023-12-28T16:36:00Z
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@ecsd We should care about the legal system and national security apparatus used to persecute candidates and their supporters because those powers can be used against any of us. Ignoring and even cheering it when done against the side you don't like sets them up with more power and precedent to change focus on you and your candidate when/if you and yours become a threat to the establishment. This is election interference and violation of our rights.
(DIR) Post #AdHA0YmDs6WfFBXwno by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2023-12-28T17:56:54Z
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@Bernard I already explained that I already factored that in. I said that malfeasance of this order is routinely committed against the public, so its being so periodic and dependable, why intervene now to save Trump, specifically, as if rescuing him is NECESSARY or IMPORTANT when rescuing Sanders was not. There is NO connection between whether Trump is allowed to run next time and what sorts of further malfeasance we will be faced with. Trump, e.g., is not going to rescue us from Jack Shit and we know what other baggage he brings with him.Now, I made those points in a prior post I posted twice and still have no answer as to what makes Trump himself necessary. I would point out that people with Law Degrees are deciding he's ineligible and that he is already being disqualified. Michigan, fyi, refused to follow Colorado, but some 15 other states have cases pending.We only have it on your say-so that's he's "innocent of the charges", I haven't read the judgements or details and don't know that I would agree with your reasoning if I did.And yeah, if history records that Trump got cheated but because he did, the people voted out the Duopoly finally starting in 2024, then as I said I'M NOT GOING TO SHED TEARS IN THAT SPECIFIC INSTANCE to place the personal legal rights of one man I described as a "racist rapist narcissist authoritarian" to win "his" election over the not-Trump fraction of 168 million voters that collectively dump a moribund system that has plagued the country for MORE THAN 100 YEARS. He got cheated and THE REST OF US WON* and that is a victory for humanity. We don't get to rerun history and I just regard it a mistake to work one's guts out to insure a would-be dictator [disagree here if you like] is insured to be re-elected for an easily-predictable four more years' worth of horseshit. What good did he do that we are rescuing him for? This is my third time asking that question.All they "they could do this if" stuff, they ALREADY DO and rectifying Colorado is the slightest drop in the bucket as a fightback against abuses, and as I said if you're going to stop the presses, it ought to be worth it.I did say I acknowledged it would be a deliberate moral lapse if indeed he were in some sense "innocent", but that I DIDN'T CARE in his case because it's NOT a matter of the laws being ruined forever if they are ruined for him, and we have the opportunity to be rid of the duopoly for the first time in its history; or we can be fair to a not particularly useful person. Which should we choose to do?Should I risk the fucking planet on the bet that Trump will act responsibly on climate change? He speaks of wind turbines like Liz Truss speaks of "space meteors", FFS.And BTW, Trump polls to win over Biden 53:48, so how many people are we actually disenfranchising? ABOUT half. ABOUT the same number who would suffer orange man's return. That makes it a wash, "more or less".All in all, if you simply wish to see Trump reelected, I won't argue that with you. I just don't agree that legal proprieties are the overriding consideration here.--* Hoping the not-Trumpers dump the Ds too, jesus.{crosses fingers} Nobody's voting for Biden ... Nobody's voting for Biden ...
(DIR) Post #AdHBnc2Ee7HTUczS8e by Bernard@friends.ravergram.club
2023-12-28T18:17:00Z
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@ecsd If someone cannot recognize anything good about a leader, it is a sign he does not understand the person. I am not rooting for Trump, but here are some things he did: He was the first president since Carter not to start a new war. He wanted to pull out of NATO. He fought the Natsec apparatus. He pulled out of the WHO. He was securing the border. Some think those were good and would like to vote for him. I believe they should have that choice.
(DIR) Post #AdHH9HgHVCUMVWsHuy by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2023-12-28T19:16:54Z
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@Bernard I freely admit that I paid no attention to Trump. What did I miss? You named a few things. What were those worth, on balance?Let's run those things down compared with someone on the order of JFK or Jeremy Corbyn.Will ONLY TRUMP pull us out of NATO in fact? Or would ANY decent president do it?Will ONLY TRUMP not start more wars, or would ANY decent president not start one?Will ONLY TRUMP pull out of the WHO or confront the national security state, or would ANY decent president so those things?I assert West and Stein qualify as "decent presidents once elected", so we don't NEED TRUMP specifically.I have argued that if defending Trump to run again guarantees he'll win, we have a BETTER option because SFAIK Trump gives no shit about the environment AND if he is elected, the entire executive branch is staffed as HE chooses. Were we happy with his choices from last time? Barr, etc?If arguments can be reasonably be made that a Trump presidency will be a disaster ON PAR with what we've just had with the Democrats, can we agree that prioritizing human survival supersedes fairness in this instance? That if cheating Trump (cheating acknowledged not to be unusual) results in allowing a third-party candidate to win and do all those "good Trump things" but throw in slashing the defense budget, granting M4A, bringing in RCV, pardoning Assange and ending homelessness as well -- is that worth cheating "yet again"?So I'm saying yeah, my conscience is stained, but YA KNOW, JUST NOT A FUCK OF A LOT. And not enough to fight tooth and nail to get Trump "reelected" as a matter of principle, no not that much, Principle here ought to defer to human needs overall, not the "rights of one man" and the differential of 5% of voters who prefer him.I'm not saying my point is 'valid' /per se/, I've said it's /not/, but I HAVE a point and the point has merits worth acknowledging, that reflection might show has precedence.===I wrote a blog piece arguing that "the thing to do with a toxic meme is ignore it." {https://shitnobricks.com/?p=227} The counterargument is that the "debate opponent" might have a valid point and I should air all the opponent says so as not to miss it. But my rebuttal there said: vita brevis. If the 'opponent' has consistently demonstrated poor arguments, I am free on statistical grounds to ignore what I can predict will be more of the same. Some other means must be found to rescue a false negative. I also described why I might label something as toxic, and I think the reasons justify ignoring the subject (the toxic person or source) further. We're using statistical justice and observation to save a lot of time spent on absolute justice, and we've qualified the error bounds.
(DIR) Post #AdHRAoF2vWWfK9V9xw by Bernard@friends.ravergram.club
2023-12-28T21:09:16Z
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@ecsd I am sorry I can't answer all your questions. Our understandings are formed from the imperfect information, propaganda, and psyops we are subjected to. I cannot say I am better or more correctly informed than others. If I don't defend your right to vote for who you want, I can not expect you to defend my right. If we don't have relatively fair elections, the next phase could be violent revolution or civil war. Maybe this is inevitable.
(DIR) Post #AdHhcNrgBgUGtOk5qa by Bernard@friends.ravergram.club
2023-12-29T00:13:32Z
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@ecsd Maine just kicked Trump off the ballot.In case you missed it, the recently passed defense spending bill included a rider that the US can only withdraw from NATO with a 2/3 vote of congress. This was a preparatory move in anticipation of Trump or another candidate winning.
(DIR) Post #AdI3fjFzJ4kl6D72xM by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2023-12-29T04:20:33Z
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@Bernard The Florida Supreme Court ordered that the ballots in 2000 be recounted. Infamously, the Supreme Court overruled the FL SC on the premise that Bush's personal rights had been violated, effectively awarding the presidency to Bush. 5 months later it was shown that Gore had in fact won. Did that matter? No.I agree that "the right to vote" matters and ought to be paramount, but it's not the only consideration in play. The argument that the choice of US president in 2024 will determine the future of the world can be made but not convincingly; but the question becomes, how bad are we willing to let things get?We've let the duopoly steal our freedom to the point where public hope for honest governance is nearly exterminated. Making it possible for people to get away from the duopoly, I think, deserves more support than does a candidate for one of the only two forever-corrupt parties."They" break the laws routinely to keep the duopoly in place. EVEN IF the current action against Trump is "more of that same", here they miscalculated: IF prosecuting / persecuting Trump for cause succeeds and Trump thus Trump can't win, the Dems will have overreached yet again but this time eliminated the prime reason to vote for them: defending against a Trump dictatorship, as they've been screaming at us about.I've said: with Trump out of the picture, there's no reason to vote for rotting oatmeal to defend against him. The ENTIRE WORLD is looking forward to America dumping its defective politics. So let there be maybe a chance, this time.So I'm not so sure people agree that Trump's rights are more important than avoiding a rerun of a shit presidency. I suggested 48% of the voters are immediately friendly to the notion that Trump can be removed from the ballot for things courts HAVE CONCLUDED that he did, moreover are the states coordinating removal efforts or is it COMMON because OBVIOUS? if it is a "grassroots" phenomenon, having found technically valid reasons to do so is just as valid as fighting for Trump's rights.I'm prepared (well, not forensically) to argue for a MEANS TEST for voters. Thus voting for Trump because he's a xenophobe will be disqualified: we're tired of CHARISMATIC ASSHOLES and the public being gulled by them with no permitted opposition.The old saw that once you give voting rights to the masses, they ruin their own democracy with their choices: yes BUT. BUT that is because they've been TAUGHT to be stupid. Have we had an informed electorate yet? A generation we can claim was freed from Capitalist predation?I can't do anything about any of it but to beg people NOT TO VOTE OUT THEIR ASS. 35%, 40% of the population is prepared to do that no matter what: "who cares how much a criminal he is, he hates X and has promised to harm Y so on that basis ..." -- sorry, it's preventable, if not cleanly.===You mention requiring a 2/3 vote to leave NATO, so since they ALREADY decapitated that reason to vote for Trump ... there is one less reason to be concerned he may not win.===It's time their whole house of cards collapses. It's time government served the people, correctly and honestly. Many, many longstanding myths are now on the chopping block. We who've been waiting for DECADES would like to start seeing positive results.Thanks to Hamas, Zionism is highlit as American (World) enemy number one. Let's look forward to a ZERO AIPAC DOLLAR congress ASAP. {laughs: imagine how many assholes will be purged by that alone.}
(DIR) Post #AdI3rmL7fdiO8SGCAa by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2023-12-29T04:22:49Z
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@Bernard It will be fun watching these results accumulate.CO, ME: removeMI: keep
(DIR) Post #AdJ33VaUPJWGzUfmgS by Bernard@friends.ravergram.club
2023-12-29T15:48:26Z
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@ecsd No doubt election shitfuckery has been ramping up for decades. I will not now go into what happened in 2020 election. J6 protestors were entrapped and persecuted to make an example to everybody that you will not be allowed to protest any future fucked election. This is why we must defend those people to defend our right to protest. If we allow one group to be censored and persecuted, we invite those in power to come for us next.
(DIR) Post #AdJRhMzy9s1ips8CIq by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2023-12-29T20:24:33Z
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@Bernard I admit being inconsistent, maybe.I'm actually happy for the Floyd protests in Minneapolis, where coordinated groups ended up burning down the 12th police precinct. Ooo violence and vandalism.For J6, we're just given that those people were a rabble, and what after all were they protesting: "the election was stolen from me" LIED TRUMP. George Floyd was actually murdered; we could watch it happen. Nobody could prove Trump was cheated. So, THIS mob was motivated by brownshirts for brownshirt purposes, IMO.If you have a URL for a short video (30m or less) that you think is an objective rundown of events, let me know.
(DIR) Post #AdJb0UX7Gfz9IFpP7I by Bernard@friends.ravergram.club
2023-12-29T22:08:51Z
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@ecsd What if George Floyd died of Fentanyl overdose rather than asphyxiation? https://alphanews.org/george-floyd-lethal-fentanyl-autopsy/The first part of this show covers newly released video of capital, but you can easily find more. https://rumble.com/v3wykym-november-20-2023.html
(DIR) Post #AdKBoI4zRPfpUwiYVs by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2023-12-30T05:01:06Z
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@Bernard What is your point in citing this Floyd hit piece? Here's what's said about the source: (4 images)The "Floyd was on drugs" thing was floated soon after the incident, and rebutted, as I recall.I'm trying to remember what I asked you for that you would respond with this. Before I read any of it, remind me how it relates?--It only takes a moment's reflection to conclude that the claim of fentanyl is bullshit, so I wonder why they bothered trying to lie about it. If his bloodstream in fact contained any fentanyl, it's easy to conclude he must have had it injected post-mortem.
(DIR) Post #AdKCojBYlI0dWIYxgO by Bernard@friends.ravergram.club
2023-12-30T05:12:33Z
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@ecsd You said you cheered the Floyd riots because he was murdered. You can research autopsy further. If few people were arrested after those riots that burned down many buildings, but many people were given long prison sentences for touring the capital during a peaceful protest, WTF is going on?Perhaps those in power want to stoke race wars to keep the working class fighting with each other and make a harsh example of anyone who protests against the government.
(DIR) Post #AdKJuygqjCFX1W7rRw by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2023-12-30T06:31:58Z
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@Bernard <If few people were arrested after those riots that burned down many buildings, but many people were given long prison sentences for touring the capital during a peaceful protest, WTF is going on?>Perhaps it is the implicit recognition that THE PEOPLE ARE OCCUPIED AND THE POLICE ARE THE OCCUPIERS, on the one hand, whereas it's I'M GONNA GET MY SOUTHERN REVANCHIST YA-YAS OUT ON OUR WAY TO A DICTATORSHIP BY THE STUPID on the other hand.==I point out to you it doesn't matter how Floyd actually died, because WHAT PEOPLE SAW and WHAT DID HAPPEN was Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck and Floyd having said I CAN'T BREATHE. So are we trying to BLAME Floyd FOR HAVING DIED? "He caused the whole thing?"Good God, man, that's ZIONIST reasoning. "He was just pretending to be being choked to death and He fucked up. He would have lived if he had been more compliant. It's HIS FAULT he died and we who did anything to him are blameless."It HAS been useful, these last few exchanges, because I DO clearly see now how disparately I assess things. Burning precinct good, burning the Capitol bad. But I resolved that, two paragraphs above: I'm clearly placing MOTIVE above the LAW. I did that with Trump too, and there with completely personal judgement -- because I want the optimal GOOD; and because I can defend what I call good as being good, as opposed to the alternatives. And if it comes down to a meaningless choice: if it matters not whether one chooses pain or relief: then I cast my lot with relief, without any need to apologize for it.I passed my orientation test results around, my attitudes are not surprising.
(DIR) Post #AdKKeW71JPYpiB57fk by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2023-12-30T06:40:11Z
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@Bernard <Perhaps those in power want to stoke race wars to keep the working class fighting with each other and make a harsh example of anyone who protests against the government.>That is attested to by the violent police counter-reaction. For them it's not any particular agenda, rather the power to be God and command fear. The government didn't need to tell them anything, the riots were ABOUT the police, and as we saw they behaved like Nazis in order to reaffirm their right to behave like Nazis.The institution of "The Police" has to go. Use instead "Public Safety Officers" who are UNARMED. There's always SWAT but when the daily police are not assholes, we won't need SWAT very often.
(DIR) Post #AdKOzLiXYRoTN1ovc8 by ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org
2023-12-30T07:28:54Z
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@Bernard I note what Iversen said that it seems she did not consider strongly enough. "Footage is being released", but who's doing that, and Iversen mentions "we'll know more when we see more" but not that we may not be seeing enough to draw /conclusions/, e.g. the convicted guy in the red coat "he wasn't doing anything in /what we've seen so far/", but anyone would then say "so we have to find the footage of his infraction." Did she or anyone bother? I suspect not. A conclusion is being offered from an only partial examination of the data, which is being released by people with an interest in controlling the narrative. I would (if motivated) examine the comments to Iversen on the video regarding her oversight.==It seems clear to me that "J6" was a mixture of two types of attendee: "plain folk" and "troublemakers", and throw in "government agents". So was "J6 innocent", no; the "plain folk" were innocent, but enough were troublemakers who made trouble and got charged for it. Their /best/ defense would be that they were incented by agents to do as they did. We haven't gotten to that rotten core yet, SFAIK.So is it wrong to call it an insurrection? Fine. An insurrection piggybacked onto another function. One indicator is how many attended versus how many were charged with a crime. I suspect those charged are comparatively few in number.