Post AdE8cmtl29i2f9I9Z2 by coolboymew@shitposter.club
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(DIR) Post #AdE7d3oS2wWpASNNTM by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2023-12-27T06:45:47.634528Z
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(DIR) Post #AdE7nJup21Wa0OFRhY by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-12-27T06:47:26.752066Z
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@coolboymew To be fair unknown numbers can be fucking annoying, and I guess they didn't leave any voice messages.
(DIR) Post #AdE7pK1VbMYGv2KXL6 by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2023-12-27T06:48:20.542900Z
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@lanodan I hate voices messages so much that goddamn notification
(DIR) Post #AdE8UybFdzK0dauXWS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-12-27T06:55:26.166945Z
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@coolboymew The part I hate about voice messages is that you're often still stuck with calling a slow-TTS voice server (except maybe on iPhones?) so you typically don't know who called.At least my carrier doesn't have too much of a bastard infernal machine.
(DIR) Post #AdE8cmtl29i2f9I9Z2 by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2023-12-27T06:57:17.224109Z
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@lanodan it's just annoying to call the box, then having to listen to the options very slowly because I forgot, then choosing the message, then it going with the time and number of the caller, then the message, then the shuffle to delete itUrrgh
(DIR) Post #AdE8zHDSzdlV3xEZou by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-12-27T07:00:55.162519Z
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@coolboymew Thinking a bit about it, kind of awkward that you don't get like a BBS-style interface on slightly modern phones.It's like 3 lines to display and it could render voice servers so much more accessible, like you could nearly use them while being deaf.I guess smartphones came in and now we must suffer webshit on imprecise slabs.
(DIR) Post #AdE9ORMcOy0hm5VufQ by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2023-12-27T07:05:46.541053Z
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@lanodan If I just had a basic interface at all it would've been so much betterIt's kinda crazy that we have smartphone and we don't even have basic teletext level of stuff on them when calling at places
(DIR) Post #AdEACGAMJCdLWaXEv2 by camedei456@shitposter.club
2023-12-27T07:14:56.063534Z
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@coolboymew Knowing how fake call centres operate, I can't say I'd blame him.
(DIR) Post #AdEAVM4cZLYXLexNM8 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-12-27T07:17:54.631762Z
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@coolboymew Yeah, it's specially weird that in France we didn't get a Minitel emulator shipped on our feature phones galakei-style (reminds me that my samsung feature phone has email without even apparently having 3G support, so probably Japan-compatible).
(DIR) Post #AdEArXZKVi7ZN4tocS by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2023-12-27T07:22:21.643147Z
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@lanodan minitel emulator?
(DIR) Post #AdEBaoZk7vK19DgHTM by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-12-27T07:30:05.419393Z
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@coolboymew https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel for the hardware (basically a BBS Terminal but cheap to gratis and with national servers, it was seriously widespread until the late 90's), some computers had emulators for this stuff with IIRC reusing the builtin modems.XTel is even provided as an example of such on the wikipedia page.
(DIR) Post #AdEBhtAlQvBfQsN1zE by chris@s.the-brannons.com
2023-12-27T07:28:20.627964Z
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@lanodan @coolboymew Years ago, a friendof mine had an insanely great idea, replacing voice menus with Gopher. So if youcalled some company on the phone, you could deal with their Gopher menuinstead of the voice one. There's your BBS style interface. We have atechnology for making and displaying them easily. Maybe replace Gopherwith Gemini. Or maybe not; Gopher was made for this kind of thing.Perhaps Gopher requests and responses exchanged over SMS?Voice and touch-tone menus could stay around for people who want them.Implementing them would be much simpler, too, because they could just bethin Gopher clients with a voice and touch-tone interface.
(DIR) Post #AdEBzdIFD8ltOcKXMe by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2023-12-27T07:35:02.323194Z
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@lanodan ahhhh rightNever got to touch BBS stuffOtherwise, going back to the teletext example, that stuff was probably mere kb and I do wonder if we don't already have the technology to send that silently and precisely through normal phonelines
(DIR) Post #AdEC9PSTVJ1tNpmGRc by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-12-27T07:36:17.867653Z
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@chris @coolboymew Both Gopher and Gemini would suck ass compared to a Télétex/BBS system and request/response over SMS would be terribly bad given their massive and unreliable latency.
(DIR) Post #AdECRqLEI9NtyMB7L6 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-12-27T07:39:42.022108Z
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@coolboymew We still do have the technology, I mean fax isn't getting away even outside of Japan, and there's some people providing their own Minitels servers via VoIP. (only thing shut down for the Minitel where the national servers dialed on numbers like 3615).
(DIR) Post #AdECqhrmwE40vaGNX6 by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2023-12-27T07:44:36.721789Z
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@lanodan Yeah, but fax is fax, it does fax noises if you call itI suppose you could call it, it detects teletext data immediately and switch to the mode, but I wonder if we could have our cake and eat it too and have both normal voice and a teletext like menuHowever, IIRC the Videotron Vidéoway Teletext stuff was slow because the stuff that's sent, like the games, are put on a quick data rotation that keeps rotating and there wouldn't be this problem with phones I guess
(DIR) Post #AdECx85MMzP7yvfpwW by lord@pleroma.lord.re
2023-12-27T07:44:03.301624Z
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@lanodan @coolboymew on modern android your "phone" app is splitted in 4 tabs : "keypad", "recents", "contacts" and 🥁"voicemail" where you have a menu with your incoming messages and buttons to play/pause/delete them.You don't have to call your voicemail server anymore.Some operators even send you an sms transcript of your incoming messages (quite effective and sometimes even funny). i don't even listen to my voicemail anymore, this sms is enough 90% of the times.
(DIR) Post #AdECx9PxPtTU76Jnge by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2023-12-27T07:45:47.043456Z
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@lord @lanodan not on my phone at least
(DIR) Post #AdECzN2fjSqUwqU9YG by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-12-27T07:45:43.116664Z
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@lord @coolboymew Oh, do you remember when that appeared? I haven't used android since uuh *checks CyanogenMod discontinuation* 2016.
(DIR) Post #AdED8kV7sjpIJLGa48 by lord@pleroma.lord.re
2023-12-27T07:46:42.650728Z
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@lanodan @coolboymew probably around that year :-)your phone and your mobile operator need to support it.
(DIR) Post #AdED8lTOGg23KFSi00 by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2023-12-27T07:47:52.622773Z
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@lord @lanodan Canada, so probably never or I need to pay the "main" providers, instead of the fighting brand they fully own anyways, that are 4 times as expensive
(DIR) Post #AdEDLFXkIFPg3tS7FI by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-12-27T07:49:42.231579Z
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@coolboymew I think we could have both, specially on modern lines where there's a lot more bandwidth (Minitel apparently was 1200 bit/s down, 75 bit/s up; yup not even kilobits).
(DIR) Post #AdF82TqAbif6HyGFAu by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2023-12-27T18:22:29.852685Z
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@coolboymew @lanodan Through the normal phoneline we had that a long time ago.It actually got worse as far as carrying data goes, because modern digital lines enable much harsher (and accurate) lossy compression.It's why so much waiting music sounds like shit (it was never good, but not quite this bad before) and why using modems over modern lines struggle to get more than single-digit KB bandwidth if that; frequency bands outside of human speech get mangled. Telecoms became even more abusive cheap assholes.But yes, we had and have the technology. We just need to slap some sense into telecoms.The "modern" way of doing things would be to use MMS or something similarly mobile-only, which only ties things even more tightly to telecoms' support.
(DIR) Post #AdF8KgGP9nsw1zD7fk by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2023-12-27T18:28:20.069366Z
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@coolboymew @lanodan Faxes did require some particular and targeted hacks to keep working on IP phonelines though (e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.38).
(DIR) Post #AdFBgtCW2M4mO9fnKS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-12-27T19:05:44.090099Z
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@lispi314 @coolboymew For Minitels it's being careful with the codecs used, and them being based on V.23 which is also apparently used for Caller ID in some areas (others it's DTMF) probably helps a bit.