Post Ad9fFxPo5jaRJiCjIm by bobkmertz@techhub.social
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(DIR) Post #Ad4Z535775VSBp8n0i by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-12-22T16:06:19Z
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We know this has been a long time coming and that it's a straight-up nightmare for stalking and abuse, but these dudes just went right ahead with it. "Just gotta protect yourself," they said with no actual framework for what the hell that's supposed to mean. Infuriating.https://www.npr.org/2023/12/19/1219984002/artificial-intelligence-can-find-your-location-in-photos-worrying-privacy-expert
(DIR) Post #Ad4ZShFPwUotQJEibQ by mwl@io.mwl.io
2023-12-22T16:09:22Z
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@Wolven I believe that every product sales and marketing meeting should have someone who says "Can we sell an extra-expensive full-service package to stalkers?" If the answer is yes, reconsider.Or, if you are counting on stalkers to make your biz profitable, just say so in your advertising so we can stop wasting our breath.
(DIR) Post #Ad4c8zkPkZdUs323Iv by mattmay@mstdn.social
2023-12-22T16:40:37Z
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@Wolven But oh, imagine the hue and cry if someone used it to find _them_
(DIR) Post #Ad4dFlA0U26jbunBY0 by kellogh@hachyderm.io
2023-12-22T16:53:04Z
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@Wolven tbh facebook has been doing this for years, it’s just commonly available now.i treat pics as PII. you don’t just post pics of random people on the internet. only of people you’ve gotten permission from, and everything in the pic should be considered public knowledge.i’ve started seeing a cultural shift too — it’s not just me an my family that do this. it’s normal now to have to ask for permission to post a pic. didn’t used to be.
(DIR) Post #Ad4fXBcXYeiwVTZmKG by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-12-22T17:18:44Z
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@fivetonsflax @so_treu Exactly.
(DIR) Post #Ad4fedHb6oU4KJKZpA by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-12-22T17:19:54Z
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@kellogh Yeah, that's going to shape this society in some really bad and unsettling ways
(DIR) Post #Ad4g5Dt9dFjrO1ZqAC by kellogh@hachyderm.io
2023-12-22T17:24:45Z
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@Wolven i think it already has, right? facebook was offering this kind of stuff in like 2015, maybe earlier. for decades professionals have warned about what you put in writing. even as social media was just beginning, people were warning about what you put online. if anything, it’s probably a good reminder to have firm boundaries with people you don’t know — and that includes pics you post publicly. having weak boundaries has always been dangerous, always will be
(DIR) Post #Ad4hXPyqMuxSx1FLOa by kellogh@hachyderm.io
2023-12-22T17:37:25Z
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@Wolven another way to put it — yes, it’s harder to detect when you’re putting up a weak boundary. that’s something we’ll have to teach our kids, and it’s not greatbut it’s not some horrific change. there’s always been boundaries that are hard to detect (like putting things in writing). and none of that matters if you simply don’t have boundaries. there’s no amount of social safety net that can protect someone without boundaries
(DIR) Post #Ad4hXRsXJL6Kq2JKqG by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-12-22T17:41:05Z
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@kellogh The distinction, for me, is that we are in a world where the things we used to share in person we are increasingly forced/expected to share in a space which is, as we're discussing, almost entirely a threat surface. There is no mitigation for that that is not, in a real way, sever a mechanism of sociality and connection.
(DIR) Post #Ad4ia85HSjy2Gn78Qy by kellogh@hachyderm.io
2023-12-22T17:52:45Z
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@Wolven ah, yeah i guess i haven’t felt that pressure as acutely as you have. i guess it’ll be something i have to deal with, with my kids as they grow up. my hunch is that there is a mitigation, probably around phrasing our public image as an explicit task that we do, from a nerdy perspective, i see this from information theory pov. if you put information out there, you can assume it will always become public (unless you want it to ofc)
(DIR) Post #Ad4r5PAamtdVs21TrU by xmark@mastodon.social
2023-12-22T19:28:02Z
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@Wolven It’s interesting to me how the value judgement on this work varies if you look at it as a security paper versus a computer vision paper (the paper itself seems framed as the latter with an “ethical considerations” section doing work of the former. How much does their work increase the extant privacy risk, versus informing and demonstrating the risk that already exists?
(DIR) Post #Ad9fFxPo5jaRJiCjIm by bobkmertz@techhub.social
2023-12-24T17:50:48Z
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@fivetonsflaxAt some point we are going to have to face reality that this stuff is coming and it's not because of the technology developed but the mined data that the technology has access to. I'm glad to see these people have held back some and the problem isn't them but the others who will develop the same thing and not have any reservations.This stuff freaks me out but attacking people who's curiosity did, frankly, what it's supposed to do isn't going to solve this problem. Most of the world will point to the kids discovering technology and easily attack them but still continue to ignore the damage corporations are doing for profit which ultimately make these discoveries possible. Let's remember, after all, that these students' protect is worthless without the data that Google has collected.@Wolven @so_treu
(DIR) Post #Ad9fFzgBfnsUL5sq6y by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-12-25T03:08:59Z
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@bobkmertz 1) for every new system you work to create imagine "what would happen if the very worst trolls imaginable got their hands on this?"2) Google's/amazon's/facebook's/etc's constant and massive collection of data being used for this is exactly the problem. Like… That's FUNDAMENTALLY the problem.This end, this purpose, right here, is why Very Many Of Us have been trying to push regulations and legislation to force google to remove our data if we don't want it included, and to ask us if we want to to opt in to data collection, rather than MAYBE giving us a heads up that we could opt out. It's not a separate thing. @fivetonsflax @so_treu
(DIR) Post #AdC3MHD2CHqPf0hDbE by bobkmertz@techhub.social
2023-12-26T06:48:32Z
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@WolvenMy point is that 2 negates 1. You can have the technology from the first be a net positive if it's an application you can run on your own data. Beyond that when your creating its often step by step and you can't fully realize the potential downfalls until it's completion.Let me be clear, I'm not at all defending monetization of these things but I'd much rather a responsible person disclose a discovery so that others are aware of what can be done before an irresponsible person figures out the same thing.@fivetonsflax @so_treu
(DIR) Post #AdC5p2Xk0IuUTsDzHM by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-12-26T07:16:09Z
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@bobkmertz 2 doesn't negate 1. 1 is the fundamental, baseline, Ur case where 1 needs to be in place. And if you listen to the audio or read the transcript of the researchers talking about it, their glee at "winning" far outpaces any concerns they have.Certain concepts don't need to be meticulously proven in order to know they're a bad idea. And if you want to prove them so you can protect against them, then get to the protection part BEFORE you tell the whole world you found a new gun.@fivetonsflax @so_treu
(DIR) Post #AdCrkmgrnX9BxJWtXM by bobkmertz@techhub.social
2023-12-26T16:13:12Z
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@WolvenAgain, I'm not defending the "winning" attitude you are talking about and my comments aren't even really about these people specifically. What I am saying is you are making a statement that is very general to catch a specific instance that also catches innocent behavior as well. Your statement is essentially saying that the internet should have never been created because Vint Cerf should have saw the ways horrible people would use the technology.@fivetonsflax @so_treu
(DIR) Post #AdCu6D2DFHN5eOrFXk by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-12-26T16:39:30Z
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@bobkmertz Then you're not actually talking about my post at all, because I'm talking about that attitude in these particular people, and the fact that it permeates the tech sector. Have a good one.@fivetonsflax @so_treu
(DIR) Post #AdCuTGFlReIYIFBkYq by bobkmertz@techhub.social
2023-12-26T16:43:41Z
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@WolvenRight. I was replying and adding to Ben's comment relating to them not being totally reckless but then you replied with a very generalized statement which was beyond the focus of your original post.@fivetonsflax @so_treu