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(DIR) Post #Ad0VCOjT2kbpZR40Aa by NGIZero@mastodon.xyz
2023-12-20T17:04:17Z
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Adblockers are legal, German courts ruled. Their argument: users not only have the right to receive information but also to refuse it. That sounds about right. It'd be positively dystopian if companies can claim the right to force-feed information. A win for internet user freedom :).One of the downsides of the ruling is that a company can exclude users with an activated adblocker from accessing its website.@fsfe wrote an interesting article about the casehttps://fsfe.org/news/2023/news-20231220-01.en.html
(DIR) Post #Ad0bHMULPfkHmfjwRc by kozy138@mastodon.social
2023-12-20T18:12:22Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe does that mean that we can also legally refuse to be advertised to in public? Sort of like how Banksy did when he would paint over billboards?
(DIR) Post #Ad0cnrQi0d9Wy46Gi8 by hamato@mastodon.social
2023-12-20T18:29:27Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe If I cannot use a site without an adblocker and it’s not a source I want to support, I’m gone immediately anyway. The same goes for sites with fullscreen or massively content-hiding consent banners requiring more than one or two clicks to reject everything. It’s not as if the same information isn’t a few clicks away… I have quite a number of website subscriptions and find it important to support good journalism, but if you try to cram ads down my throat, get lost.
(DIR) Post #Ad0dixjvDnvZ2mJb8K by stiofi@troet.cafe
2023-12-20T18:39:46Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe Hey they already exclude me.And my response is to invite them to stick their bytes...
(DIR) Post #Ad0eMiOXh0UB2IGpXM by timoj@mastodon.online
2023-12-20T18:30:25Z
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@NGIZero @kozy138 @fsfe There are ways…
(DIR) Post #Ad0m1iUqv0Cwu5ii3c by beechsundowner@mindly.social
2023-12-20T20:12:50Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe If a company blocks me from doing business because I use an adblocker is their loss not mine. Why?I am sure the company competitor will welcome my business and money on my terms of what I want to see on my computer. Money does talk in this case. 😀
(DIR) Post #Ad0naPBIp9h55VgFOq by tsyum@thepit.social
2023-12-20T20:30:18Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe @whatshisays whew, yeah, that is a big downside, but hopefully more and more people use adblockers in the days ahead
(DIR) Post #Ad0qlg4oeCx2XHiGsS by colo_lee@zirk.us
2023-12-20T21:05:50Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe Seems like a good move.Although the Adblock Plus whitelist sure reads like asking for payments to ABP to get past the ad block. Part of why I stopped using them.
(DIR) Post #Ad0xKhDB1GpnuqhluC by malin@dice.camp
2023-12-20T22:19:30Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe Adblocking should be illegal, along with people who don't finish books.If an author sells you a book, they have the right to know you read all of it, to the end.I'm going to remind everyone that not reading everything should be illegal, starting with an email campaign, with links to 4 hour videos where I explain my theories.If people don't read all of my emails and watch the videos till the end, I'm going to sue.
(DIR) Post #Ad14psIiXT5Gxu6wAy by NGIZero@mastodon.xyz
2023-12-20T23:43:35Z
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@malin strongly agree. Can you not send me those e-mails, though?@fsfe
(DIR) Post #Ad14z6byhYMZxHWObw by malin@dice.camp
2023-12-20T23:45:14Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe No.By being on 'e-mail', you have agreed to the adverts on the platform.It's in section 472, subsection C), paragraph 12 of the Google terms of service you implicitly agreed to by visiting any website which uses Google services.
(DIR) Post #Ad17YsRB4thCKOee4e by saluk@peoplemaking.games
2023-12-21T00:12:38Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe I don't see why a site shouldn't be able to block their content from users who try to bypass their monitization strategy. I don't think it's smart for them to do so however... people who want to block ads are less likely to click on those ads anyway, and blocking them isn't always going to be enough incentive to disable the blocker.If ads were less annoying, we might not be in an environment where blockers are so prevalent also. Treat users as more than just clicks.
(DIR) Post #Ad1AKjFClE8Jcm02CG by RealJournalism@mastodon.social
2023-12-21T00:45:09Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe YouTube is already doing this with me, and I don't live in Germany. I've cut way back on my usage as a result.
(DIR) Post #Ad1KDqRcahizTDACZs by gdinwiddie@mastodon.social
2023-12-21T02:35:53Z
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@NGIZero @rayckeith @fsfe I foresee ad-flushers that accept the ads and send them to the bit bucket.
(DIR) Post #Ad1TedSHtMX4ahKBqi by Schouten_B@mastodon.social
2023-12-21T04:21:39Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe That last bit doesn't seem unreasonable, right? We have no more of a right to the information at a company's website as they do to force-feed us some.
(DIR) Post #Ad1cKg6lDbeAc8oXBY by l13u7anant@emacs.ch
2023-12-21T05:58:32Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe "..the court nevertheless preserved Axel Springer’s right to exclude users with an activated adblocker from accessing its content. This can be understood as an approval on the use of adblock detection tools by companies like Axel Springer"At least they won't we able to go after adblock devs.
(DIR) Post #Ad1umLTTKGVpu3mORc by fedithom@social.saarland
2023-12-21T09:25:31Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe Sounds fair in both directions. I want the info, they want to feed me ads. Both sides can certainly refuse (and I for one won't drop my ad blocker for any information).Obviously, that doesn't work for public entities on the web, who MUST provide their services and info without tracking or ads, in my opinion.
(DIR) Post #Ad1vP4HnAKnlt7mT56 by MolemanPeter@neuromatch.social
2023-12-21T09:31:21Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe Why would "One of the downsides of the ruling is that a company can exclude users with an activated adblocker from accessing its website." be a downside? Its just a consequence of your refusal. Or are you anxious to miss something from a website that wants to force feed?
(DIR) Post #Ad1w9suRHW28DMBJDc by NGIZero@mastodon.xyz
2023-12-21T09:40:57Z
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@fedithom @fsfe "I for one won't drop my ad blocker for any information," That's a creed to live by :)."Obviously, that doesn't work for public entities on the web, who MUST provide their services and info without tracking or ads, in my opinion." And that's a creed they should live by!
(DIR) Post #Ad1wtkDXvhZuZtzDCy by carl@chaos.social
2023-12-21T09:49:06Z
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@NGIZero If I aplly logics, then the forced watching of TV ads in streaming services should also be illegal. @fsfe
(DIR) Post #Ad1xcblkBgM3PINI6y by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-12-21T09:57:24Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe So is this a reversal from #hatespeech #distributor #AxelSpringer's push to call #Ads a form of #DRM and #AdfBlocking an act of #piracy? Again, I'd be wary about the fine print and the original documents...Not that laws matter anyway since there is no technical way to enforce ads to be displayed that isn't #malware like #Zango per very definition.
(DIR) Post #Ad20hDMAgBwp0HIk08 by NGIZero@mastodon.xyz
2023-12-21T10:31:55Z
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@MolemanPeter @fsfe Because it limits user freedom. It implies websites can demand certain behaviour from visitors. This time it's disabling an adblocker, which you can rightfully argue serves as a useful signal not to visit that site. But what is it next time?
(DIR) Post #Ad247lo9VqT1FBkABE by mcSlibinas@river.group.lt
2023-12-21T11:10:18Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe i like capitalism when it works for human rights. Thanks, German courts!
(DIR) Post #Ad2BG05B1VNfVmZuHw by hollyjahangiri@me.dm
2023-12-21T12:30:13Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe exactly what YouTube is doing.Or they can put everything behind a paywall.
(DIR) Post #Ad2sgPLvzI4lRbFrSi by magicDave@mastodon.social
2023-12-21T20:36:48Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe where is the undercover adblocker, that loads the ad, but doesn't display it?
(DIR) Post #Ad5JJTixRuIslYb1Ye by fineblackink@chaos.social
2023-12-22T12:05:00Z
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@malin @NGIZero @fsfe Just wanted you to know I read your toot from beginning to end and vice versa.
(DIR) Post #Ad5JJUhvnD4nof7ib2 by NGIZero@mastodon.xyz
2023-12-23T00:44:38Z
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@fineblackink @malin @fsfe that's a smart move. Also good to report it. Cover all bases.
(DIR) Post #Ad5zJmHYeAFgOibaaW by Rob_l@mas.to
2023-12-23T07:23:29Z
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@malin @NGIZero @fsfe sorry, I'm a compulsive non finisher of books. I used to religiously slog my way through to the end, then one day I thought, I've paid for this, the authors had their cash, if I'm not enjoying it then move on. There's always more books out there.
(DIR) Post #Ad5zJnJinbZpbicpbE by NGIZero@mastodon.xyz
2023-12-23T08:35:18Z
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@Rob_l I'm afraid you just called the wrath of the @malin upon yourself. Friendly advise to not open your electronic mail until at least 2025.@fsfe
(DIR) Post #AdDDeV7KQ5POhvJdcO by TuutW@mastodon.nl
2023-12-26T20:18:52Z
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@NGIZero @fsfe So what? All public domains which offer 'sevices' cannot block users using Adblockers. The rest is not interesting at all.