Post Ad0424GLb41eQWICXY by SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe
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(DIR) Post #AczvA1ubJzoprhqJ6G by blacklight@social.platypush.tech
2023-12-20T10:11:46Z
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#Threads is now officially defederated on this instance.Meta has gotten countless chances of doing things the right way, it has screwed up each single of them, and I want each single byte coming from that morally bankrupt monstruosity out of my life, my house, my network and my instance.Note however that, unlike other defederation talibans, I won't give a damn if you're an instance admin and you decide not to defederate Threads.I'm not afraid of Meta scraping my instance through other federated instances that haven't blocked them. If they want to scrape this instance, they can already do so via API or even search engine results, no need for federation - and they obviously won't give a fuck about your robots.txt or #nobot hashtags, we're talking of a company with no moral compass after all.If you want to give Threads a try, go for it. If you still need more evidence that Meta is irredimable and rotten to the core, go for it. Who am I to ban you/defederate you for holding a different opinion?
(DIR) Post #Ad0424GLb41eQWICXY by SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe
2023-12-20T10:45:42Z
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@blacklight no need to demonize the folks who want two layers of blocking between them and Libs of Tik Tok
(DIR) Post #Ad0424xF1aKwZYMSOm by blacklight@social.platypush.tech
2023-12-20T10:49:32Z
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@SallyStrange I defederated Threads for very similar reasons, but I wouldn't go as far as applying the transitive property to anyone who doesn't defederate them. I feel like it can quickly escalate in a nasty twist of the "my freedom ends where somebody else's freedom begins" principle. On top of that, gratuitous defederation makes the Fediverse more fragmented - and that's exactly what Meta wants.
(DIR) Post #Ad0425lE1kJr4ZkNJA by santiago@mastodon.uy
2023-12-20T11:03:58Z
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@blacklight @SallyStrange totally agree with you Fabio. We haven't decided yet what to do, but already notice this need to punish instances that not defedrate Threads. Why not a third layer of blocking? or fourth? come on, this is nonsense. There is no way any bit of information from threads can go to a thread-blocking instance.
(DIR) Post #Ad0426acwdR5dznQQa by SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe
2023-12-20T11:07:44Z
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@santiago @blacklight OK. You can think it's silly or pointless. You can say it's ineffective or needlessly complicated.I'm drawing a bright line at comparing traumatized queer people and BIPOC to the taliban.
(DIR) Post #Ad0427NC24Hg4cWD7w by blacklight@social.platypush.tech
2023-12-20T11:33:02Z
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@SallyStrange @santiago fair enough, I could have chosen a less controversial word. But the context remains the same - what I'm denouncing is ideological purity with no functional purposes.To summarize:1. If instance A defederates Threads, then no content from A will be relayed to Threads, and the other way around. Regardless of what instance B does. This is just how the protocol works. The "additional layers of security" argument just doesn't stand.2. If Meta wants to scrape the Fediverse, they already have plenty of resources for doing it, even without going full in with an ActivityPub-compatible platform. And, if an instance is public, there's basically no way of stopping them - I don't think that a company that didn't care of harming teenagers or encouraging a genocide in Myanmar cares about our nobot tags or robots.txt rules.So, from a functional perspective, defederating those who don't defederate Threads *is* a mere act of ideological punishment with no added value.I understand that many are on the Fediverse because they were traumatized/bullied on other platforms, and they want this to remain a safe place. But friendly fire and fragmentation definitely won't help anybody other than companies like Meta. We already have technological solutions to ensure that our own instances are impermeable to the content of platforms/instances we don't like. We shouldn't be overzealous and add a layer of ideological retaliation on top of that.
(DIR) Post #Ad0Hj56Te4IqtHW5mS by crashglasshouses@tsukihi.me
2023-12-20T13:45:37Z
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@blacklight @SallyStrange @santiago "ideological punishment"that's a helluva nonsense term, given what we're dealing with. it's literally "we shouldn't hurt the fascists too hard, what about their feelings??"fuck off with that noise.
(DIR) Post #Ad0Hj6DbV3b8LfrIWm by blacklight@social.platypush.tech
2023-12-20T14:12:41Z
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@crashglasshouses @SallyStrange @santiago I'm all up for hitting the fascists, but I don't call a fascist someone who doesn't feel like hitting them.
(DIR) Post #Ad0Hj76uBRpl7BjSj2 by crashglasshouses@tsukihi.me
2023-12-20T14:19:39Z
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@blacklight @SallyStrange @santiago that's your problem, no need to put it on the rest of us. if you want to hang out with nazi huggers, guess what that makes you.
(DIR) Post #Ad0Hj7sPKppbUVxOlc by blacklight@social.platypush.tech
2023-12-20T14:30:22Z
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@crashglasshouses @SallyStrange @santiago sure, and why stop only at the second layer? Why should I hang out with the friend of a friend of a friend of a Nazi? I'm sure that this way of selecting social interactions makes our societies more empathetic and united.
(DIR) Post #Ad0OcTLvmvJRkaXaiG by blacklight@social.platypush.tech
2023-12-20T15:33:19Z
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@briellebouquet @SallyStrange you're welcome to administer an instance if you think that we aren't doing our work well enough. And maybe run your own relay. Or maybe come up with a better implementation of the authorized fetch mechanism.I defederated Threads, and I defederated a lot of fascist instances in the past. I can't guarantee that I can keep doing it, nor that I can proactively defederate any new instances with lax moderation that come up, nor that I can implement transitive defederation.I also have other things to do with my life, my bills for running an instance are only getting higher, and nobody is paying me anything to try and keep this corner of the Internet clean. And, on top of that, I don't want to ban an instance with hundreds of connections to users on my instance just because it didn't proactively and immediately block Threads, poa.st or some other instance with lax moderation. Other people have also other things to do with their lives and may have different trade-offs to consider, as we ought to respect that too.We as admins can do a best effort to keep everyone safe all the time, but keep in mind that there are many trade-offs to be made, and insulting us for not blindly complying with argument XYZ won't make this place better for anyone.If you have uncompromising concerns about doxxing or content leak, then you should just consider running your own private instance or your own private relay.
(DIR) Post #Ad0OcUVXUganKg2mKO by blacklight@social.platypush.tech
2023-12-20T15:41:48Z
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@briellebouquet @SallyStrange btw, doxxing from content on a public instance is incredibly easy. You don't even need another federated instance. You just need a bot on a non-blocked instance, or even a search engine.If you're really concerned about your data being leaked, then you should implement your own precautions rather than expecting everybody in a decentralized network to implement the precautions that you deem sufficient. It's just unfeasible and it won't scale.And calling me out as a white privileged cis doesn't make your arguments land any better. I've fought side by side with minorities all of my life and always strived to get to the best solutions for everyone, just to be called out as a privileged white dude whenever I disagreed with them on something. I'm honestly sick of this aggressive behaviour. Treat others with respect if you don't want to alienate them.
(DIR) Post #Ad0OcVLeMwHBwIQOYK by SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe
2023-12-20T15:42:27Z
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@blacklight @briellebouquet "the thing you're concerned about will happen anyway" is not a good way to demonstrate your allyship
(DIR) Post #Ad0OcW7VV0YcKioc9A by blacklight@social.platypush.tech
2023-12-20T15:47:12Z
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@SallyStrange @briellebouquet it's realism. It's acknowledging that I'll do my best effort, but that1. Proactively and timely banning any lowly moderated instances is unfeasible2. Doing so with 2-3 layers of depth is even more unfeasible (first of all because not all instances have public blocklists)3. Doing so on a relay level is even more unfeasible4. The current solution (authorized fetch) isn't scalable5. Public posts on a public instance means that anyone is just one step away from making a bot on a random non-blocked instance and scrape whatever they likeNo solution can be discussed until we acknowledge these simple facts. Just like we can't talk of flying without first taking of how to overcome terrestrial gravity.