Post Acz5eRlxaDFBW6RNOC by mwklein@noagendasocial.com
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(DIR) Post #Acy4ikGcT7SMvGJ6Cu by ReadyKilowatt@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-19T12:58:11Z
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This is a subsidy for the rural rich. There are very large estates out here that are only reachable by air (they have a private airstrip), or poorly maintained single track. They run off grid solar, have their own wells and septic. These aren't Unibomber shacks, they're proper mansions, just away from everything on hundreds of acres of land.Will your taxpayer money go to running fiber out to them?https://potsandpansbyccg.com/2023/12/19/reaching-everybody-with-bead/
(DIR) Post #Acy4tCEDMeYyXSAKQK by ReadyKilowatt@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-19T13:00:05Z
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https://www.aspenpropertybrothers.com/buy/off-grid-remote/
(DIR) Post #Acy5eduQGWog01X41g by DaemonFools@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-19T13:08:39Z
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@ReadyKilowatt There's a wealthy neighborhood up in the mountains by a city. They got the city to agree to sell them water at the city rate, indefinitely.So city residents are subsidizing this neighborhood and the city maintains all of the equipment necessary to push water up hill.
(DIR) Post #AcyEwLyqYt6bC87bUW by mwklein@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-19T14:52:42Z
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@DaemonFools @ReadyKilowatt I don’t doubt that there is rural rich but where I live there are tremendous amounts of rural poor. My sister in law lives on a farm 1.5 miles out of a city. There only option is satellite. Hughes is ass. I am in the city and pay $80 for gig up and down with out caps (like Hughes). Even cell service is ass at her house. How do we address the rural poor while not including the rural rich? Real question.
(DIR) Post #AcyGNJflLlLnoHcFYe by DaemonFools@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-19T15:08:47Z
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@mwklein @ReadyKilowatt I have zero faith in the big ISPs. The town I compiled my first few firmwares in should've been wired by the cable companies way back when.
(DIR) Post #AcyIGZpj4B1joSBrPs by Viking@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-19T15:29:58Z
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@mwklein @DaemonFools @ReadyKilowatt If the ISP lawyers are not morons, they should reject bead grants unless the moronic rules get mended.
(DIR) Post #AcyJqGppHN4RGloxzk by DaemonFools@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-19T15:47:37Z
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@Viking @mwklein @ReadyKilowatt To answer the question, my concern isn't excluding the rich - it's including the poor. How we square it is to have the tradies in and around those neighborhoods lay fiber and create networks of networks. The feds could send in people to prototype fault/delay tolerant networks for post disaster situations. https://www.wired.com/story/this-man-built-his-own-isp-26-million-dollar-funds/
(DIR) Post #AcyL6inXBHLCaC9oiO by Viking@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-19T16:01:48Z
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@DaemonFools @mwklein @ReadyKilowatt You might think giving an expensive connection to poor people for free is more worthy than a rich person that has other means, but for a sustainable society, we should do neither.Anytime we spend a million on frivolous stuff, that is a million on higher ROI spending that doesn't happen.
(DIR) Post #AcyOeUcKi6iCJJiH1E by DaemonFools@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-19T16:41:31Z
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@Viking @mwklein @ReadyKilowatt I think broadband is analogous to the modern telephone. I'm not interested in giving it to anyone for free. I'm interested in rural areas developing the competence to deploy it themselves.
(DIR) Post #AcyPq06M5pPt63o5z6 by ReadyKilowatt@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-19T16:54:48Z
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@mwklein @DaemonFools some of that was taken care of with the universal service fund back in the time of the landline. And that came about because of Ma Bell being permitted to be a monopoly. The other thing that monopoly brought was the ability to sell a 30 yr bond to capitalize the buildout. Eventually costs should come down but the quick buck isn’t interested in expanding to new markets unless the payback is in months. Tech has produced solutions with Starlink and 5G home service anyway.
(DIR) Post #AcyVrHIyDRfmT0hSCW by Viking@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-19T18:02:16Z
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@DaemonFools @mwklein @ReadyKilowatt Self sufficiency is great!
(DIR) Post #Acz54GsoamyZJpOgAS by mwklein@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-20T00:36:48Z
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@DaemonFools @ReadyKilowatt oh, I should have mentioned our ISP is a local co-ophttps://experiencemosaic.com
(DIR) Post #Acz5eRlxaDFBW6RNOC by mwklein@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-20T00:43:20Z
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@Viking @DaemonFools @ReadyKilowatt no one is saying free internet. What we are saying is making sure there is access. The house in question has a phone line but is too far down the line for even DSL. We are talking infrastructure. So someone has access. You may argue with Hugesnet they have access but 80 dollars a month for 200megs of “priority” data a month you stream on movie and you are throttled for the rest of the month. That is not access if you have a kid that needs data for school
(DIR) Post #Acz6OjgBL1vSNHoHq4 by ReadyKilowatt@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-20T00:51:42Z
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@mwklein @Viking @DaemonFools Define access though. Pulling fiber takes skilled people and equipment. And liability insurance. And work permitting fees. And pole attachment fees. And make ready fees. Underground need right of way access.When I knew of such things, construction was usually about $7.00/ft for easy jobs and $12+/ft for complicated stuff. Probably double that now if not higher, and that's if you can get someone to do it.And that still doesn't mean you'll get customers.
(DIR) Post #Acz75fKbNcNTLEBdmS by mwklein@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-20T00:59:27Z
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@ReadyKilowatt @Viking @DaemonFools you are spot on the cost per foot is about double in our area. SIL was quoted over 10k to pull a fiber connection from a nearby run. Unaffordable to the customer and to the service provider. 10k/ $80 per month and then the cost of actually providing the service…I see this only solved by something similar to the rural power co-ops. Infrastructure was heavily subsidized but every home got ACCESS to electricity.
(DIR) Post #AczA7HDMJg7AzCG6Pw by ReadyKilowatt@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-20T01:33:22Z
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@mwklein @Viking @DaemonFools I tend to agree but my electric coop has some of the most expensive electricity in the country. I excepted that but they're really not doing anything to lower costs.Where coops get an advantage is they can float very long term debt. That and they can require anyone in the service area to connect to them. DK if that's feasible in a broadband situation especially these days with Starlink and possible 5G wireless.If the answers were easy it'd be done already!