Post AcvrCbFYlsGFyBEW48 by jhilden@vis.social
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 (DIR) Post #AcvrCbFYlsGFyBEW48 by jhilden@vis.social
       2023-12-18T06:36:30Z
       
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       This time table diagram from 1923 by the Finnish National Railways is so cute. I would be overjoyed if connections like this were restored. My personal Solarpunk utopia is ”what if pre-1950 but without the coal and with modern electronics”.”Travelling routes to Finland”. #history #diagrams #landBasedTravel https://www.doria.fi/handle/10024/81773#&gid=1&pid=3
       
 (DIR) Post #AcvrCcWy0dmNwSNvpw by janvenetor@mastodontti.fi
       2023-12-18T07:39:37Z
       
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       @jhilden I took the trains from Tampere to Oostende last summer. The time table is hairier (trains in Germany are a huge mess right now!), but definitely doable.You have to organize the itinerary yourself, or pay a travel agency to arrange it, but slow travel still works :3
       
 (DIR) Post #AcvrCdSOZ7iUoZFnLk by jhilden@vis.social
       2023-12-18T06:51:11Z
       
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       That they don’t use AM/PM makes it a bit hard to understand the total travel times! Seems like ~5 days for the fastest option?
       
 (DIR) Post #AcvrCdf9nfvPS9DzF2 by jhilden@vis.social
       2023-12-18T07:43:41Z
       
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       @janvenetor For sure, I went with my partner and kids all the way from Helsinki to Porto and back in summer 2022. Thanks to modern trains, land-based travel is probably faster than back then. Still missing the boats though! Until the 1990s you could sail from Finland to England on a passenger ferry.
       
 (DIR) Post #AcvrCegxyQxye34whU by janvenetor@mastodontti.fi
       2023-12-18T08:35:53Z
       
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       @jhilden yep. I sure miss the practically priced ship route to the Americas.There's still a ton of ferries in Europe!I've been considering train trip up Norway and the Hurtigruten.And I actually considered taking the ferry from Dunkirk (a short bus trip from De Panne) to the English Islands on the last trip, but...Not all of them carry passengers all the time, and the prices are out there, but: https://ec.europa.eu/maritimeaffairs/atlas/maritime_atlas/#lang=EN;p=w;bkgd=5;theme=78:0.75,85:0.98,86:0.75,212:0.75;c=329589.6715633925,6657643.333482614;z=4
       
 (DIR) Post #AcvrCfPHJgParToKlk by jhilden@vis.social
       2023-12-18T07:18:39Z
       
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       Another nice one, this is a larger timetable book in Finnish and Swedish from 1934, published by the Finnish Tourist Association. Apparently these were published up until the early 2000s. There are explanatory notes on page 4 in English, French and Esperanto(!). One detail: the train Jyväskylä–Suolahti (which no longer runs) took 1 hour 20 minutes, only a few minutes slower than the bus that serves the route now. #history #timetables #landBasedTravel
       
 (DIR) Post #AcvrCfW0udndCMxiGe by tml@urbanists.social
       2023-12-18T10:40:20Z
       
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       @janvenetor @jhilden Isn't Hurtigruten mostly an expensive tourist trap nowadays? I assume it had a different ticket price structure (and its name was appropriate) when it actually was the only way to reach lots of places along the coast. But Norway has built lots of roads (plus bridges and tunnels) since then.
       
 (DIR) Post #AcvrCgHs2i53anLvrU by jhilden@vis.social
       2023-12-18T10:56:01Z
       
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       @tml @janvenetor yeahh… I mean Hurtigruten could be fun, but ”Den originale Kystreisen”, 7 days Bergen–Kirkenes, starting price ~1,670 €. Including full board, but still – even expensive compared to cargo ship travel. On the other hand, perhaps actually competitive compared to staying at hotels in Norway!
       
 (DIR) Post #AcvrCgylTEOLjpQBii by tml@urbanists.social
       2023-12-18T11:04:17Z
       
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       @jhilden @janvenetor Actually off-season hotel prices are not necessarily that bad in Norway. I stayed six nights in a definitely single-person room in a perfectly adequate cheap but modern and clean hotel in central Tromsø for around 75€/night in September. (Without breakfast.)In Svolvaer, Lofoten, the price in a more luxurious brand new hotel was only double that, and I even got a spontaneous free upgrade to a better room when checking in, despite being a new customer
       
 (DIR) Post #AcvrChG8QeHobhY3nM by jhilden@vis.social
       2023-12-18T08:32:07Z
       
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       One thing that is interesting about this is how rail-based the intercity communications were. Bus routes were used for the last mile. Which makes sense, since travel on roads in the 1930s was slow. Presumably even most major roads had gravel surfaces.
       
 (DIR) Post #AcvrChx1rAb6kjcJea by lari@suomi.social
       2023-12-18T11:12:04Z
       
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       @tml @jhilden @janvenetor There are ways to travel in Norway on a budget. :)