Post AcsNIfBdT2QZokUd3w by fedops@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AcsKWvlyIWdbRxbIO0 by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T18:27:01Z
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Let us be honest: if Mastodon was not such a complete mess and so hard to setup and administrate, if anyone could install a full server using a cheap second hand Linux PC and a couple of hours of work, Threads (Meta / Facebook) and others would have no power of the Fediverse.Think about that for a second.We are talking in reverential terms about Mastodon, but it should not be the only game in town.
(DIR) Post #AcsLJU9RmXuByPjXs0 by trashrobot@kolektiva.social
2023-12-16T18:35:46Z
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@ParadeGrotesque I support this sentiment! Mastodon is ludicrously hard to get working given how simple what it does is. What this has done in my view is gatekeep, and it's built a culture of people who benefit from that gatekeeping.
(DIR) Post #AcsLmhsPpYwMwJhWtM by ParanoidFactoid@mastodon.social
2023-12-16T18:40:42Z
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@ParadeGrotesque Mastodon isn't that hard. The worst part is that it needs a legit FQDN, meaning you have to be online to test. That's b0rked.But lack working canonical URLs and simple sign-up has really hindered adoption. It also needs quote toots.Funny thing is, HubZilla already does everything. It's amazing. It just needs UI simplification. But it can even migrate posts and do account data failover secondary servers.
(DIR) Post #AcsLthBsmOnEq58gqm by pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se
2023-12-16T18:42:12Z
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@ParadeGrotesque It's funny that one of the major advantages when Mastodon showed up on the scene was its ease of installation and administration in comparison to existing alternatives.And it's definitely not the only game in town, even now.
(DIR) Post #AcsLvdVXRZolznG59E by autolycos@med-mastodon.com
2023-12-16T18:42:38Z
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@ParadeGrotesque sounds like a job for openbsd
(DIR) Post #AcsM7Y47VHzEal77Vg by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T18:44:48Z
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@pettter The alternatives are either crippled or fairly hard to administrate, even today.(Unless you have some serious recommendation, which I would love to hear about)
(DIR) Post #AcsMMAOJo2TNVlX2mG by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T18:47:29Z
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@autolycos Not necessarily: OpenBSD is not high performance, it is high security.What I have in mind is more of a high-performance, low maintenance, easy installation software to interact with the fediverse.Something like that could run pretty well on OpenBSD, but it should be portable to other OS.Hence the 'Linux' in my original post.
(DIR) Post #AcsMXlXO2NwZu6IwEa by Brett_E_Carlock@mastodon.online
2023-12-16T18:49:32Z
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@ParadeGrotesque Once NextCloud Social is functional, that is my next stop. @nextcloud , I hope this is still on the roadmap for the reasons outlined above.
(DIR) Post #AcsMaWnxGnnn50N5Ie by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T18:50:05Z
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And just as I was posting this, there was a fresh wave of spam from mastodon.social.Something about spicy adult postings. Sigh. This mastodon.social thing is out of control. I am being polite here.
(DIR) Post #AcsMnamXnHxfBBwOYa by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T18:52:28Z
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@Brett_E_Carlock NextCloud? You mean this NextCloud?https://github.com/nextcloud/security-advisories/security/advisoriesNah, I'll pass, thanks.
(DIR) Post #AcsNAsNIYBlaP3EcgS by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T18:56:33Z
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@Uilebheist @pettter I will definitely have to look into writing an ActivityPub server as well. If I was not such a terrible programmer.
(DIR) Post #AcsNIfBdT2QZokUd3w by fedops@fosstodon.org
2023-12-16T18:57:58Z
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@ParadeGrotesque yeah got the same thing, with a direct mention. 🤷
(DIR) Post #AcsNMsT224QOAHdhui by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T18:58:46Z
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@thedaemon I write it, you port it.That's the deal. 😉
(DIR) Post #AcsNPGrGJpkIOI79EG by dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T18:59:13Z
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@ParadeGrotesque @autolycos I guess if the setup process were "boot from this ISO file, run through the installation wizard, and when your computer reboots it will be a working Mastodon instance" it wouldn't even matter too much what OS the kernel belonged to.
(DIR) Post #AcsNZGZeEK36PCdpqq by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T19:01:00Z
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@fedops But did you click on the link, you naughty boy? 😉
(DIR) Post #AcsNwumQuVLblNtkJM by autolycos@med-mastodon.com
2023-12-16T19:05:20Z
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@ParadeGrotesque I remember trying to talk Theo, or someone close to Theo, into calling it "internally consistent" over high security enough years so the memory can legally drink in America. But so can my resume gap in computer research, so…
(DIR) Post #AcsO8PwLOnvZab1EFU by fedops@fosstodon.org
2023-12-16T19:07:24Z
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@ParadeGrotesque of course I did. Seemed totally legit! 😂
(DIR) Post #AcsOGlF05R2jyAivbc by unixwitch@mastodon.bayern
2023-12-16T19:08:46Z
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@ParadeGrotesque Mastodon isn't the only game in town.There is a plentiful of other #Fediverse server software out there.(I haven't tested the ease of administration, yet)
(DIR) Post #AcsOLHTu9xKv7Tqmi8 by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T19:09:44Z
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@fedops I knew I could count on you for that risky click of the day! 😂 No, I don't want to know what was at the other end of the link.
(DIR) Post #AcsOTO1biMZhjNTmwC by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T19:11:08Z
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@unixwitch A lot of them seem on a par with Mastodon for ease of installation and ease of administration though.Meaning: they are not easy.
(DIR) Post #AcsPQycBJkk0IX09nk by starbreaker@libranet.de
2023-12-16T19:18:20Z
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@ParadeGrotesque What I don't get is why this sort of thing can't be done with desktop apps sharing posts over BitTorrent. The Fediverse won't ever be truly decentralized as long as its platforms are designed under a client/server paradigm.
(DIR) Post #AcsPQzRaEdrErx3CvA by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T19:21:58Z
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@starbreaker ActivityPub, as far as I can tell, ir organized around a client/server model.Now, I believe even such a software can be made a lot more efficient and easier to manage.Feel free to write your replacement. 😉
(DIR) Post #AcsPUUHU2XiTNSzho0 by mi@donotsta.re
2023-12-16T19:21:11.928871Z
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@ParadeGrotesque Almost no one hosts their small websites through a static IP from their home ISP or on DynDNS, with port forwarding to inside their home NAT. And these days a public IP, even a dynamic one, becomes expensive too - everyone is put behind a CGNAT. And of course the providers fail to provide IPv6. Let's not talk "Linux PCs" because it's unrealistic and just makes people feel like it's their skill issue; it is, has been for a while, and is going to be but VPS providers in the near future.
(DIR) Post #AcsPUVJIDIl2ZMqfGS by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T19:22:37Z
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@mi And your point is?
(DIR) Post #AcsQ1U8haUOCUicaAq by mi@donotsta.re
2023-12-16T19:26:53.193325Z
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@ParadeGrotesque Just... let's not say "second hand Linux PC" in place of the more realistic "$4/mo VPS". It clouds up the real picture and is misleading to beginners
(DIR) Post #AcsQ1UvcebWMwRVeQS by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T19:28:32Z
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@mi That is a better argument, yes.
(DIR) Post #AcsQJlZpUgIVmx1kG0 by Brett_E_Carlock@mastodon.online
2023-12-16T19:31:49Z
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@ParadeGrotesque And the gatekeeping continues.
(DIR) Post #AcsQVm6rL4n2uqCd28 by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T19:34:01Z
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@Brett_E_Carlock You do you, my friend, you do you.As far as I am concerned, I'd rather have something simple to install, use and maintain than a another huge "let's throw in everything, including the kitchen sink" kind of software.But if NextCloud can pull it off, more power to them!
(DIR) Post #AcsSD771EAWWSbVTVo by starbreaker@libranet.de
2023-12-16T19:51:24Z
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@ParadeGrotesque If I wanted to code for free I could work overtime at my day job. 😀
(DIR) Post #AcsSD88pOvZ5eVMQyG by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T19:53:01Z
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@starbreaker So do I, my friend, so do I.
(DIR) Post #AcsTQuX2tgPFS4p6xs by unixwitch@mastodon.bayern
2023-12-16T20:06:28Z
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@ParadeGrotesque Hosting static web pages of course is easier - but also something not every layperson could or should manage.That's why there are service providers where each person could buy webhosting or mastodon hosting 🤷
(DIR) Post #AcscYNO2ufeSYfFSqW by deckytoyou@kolektiva.social
2023-12-16T21:48:56Z
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@ParadeGrotesque any ways or chances to start from scratch?
(DIR) Post #AcslnhC2SGrFux0n9U by kpw@kbin.social
2023-12-16T22:15:52+00:00
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@ParadeGrotesque They don't have any power over the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #Acslniyznjc5T4vP6G by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T23:32:34Z
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@kpw Really?
(DIR) Post #AcslpItNmBLx833IxM by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-16T23:32:54Z
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@deckytoyou That is what I am looking at right now.
(DIR) Post #AcspZuX2SsmR37W6PA by zii_0@corneill.es
2023-12-17T00:14:49Z
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@ParadeGrotesqueIsn't it basically what GoToSocial is trying to tackle?
(DIR) Post #AcsquAd4QPw4ihYvrc by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-17T00:29:48Z
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@zii_0 From what I understand, GoToSocial is just a server.I'd like the whole enchilada server + web interface in a high-performance integrated package.Oh, and a pony.Yes, I am going back to the drawing board.
(DIR) Post #AcstEOnBfzCyLX4H5s by zii_0@corneill.es
2023-12-17T00:55:51Z
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@ParadeGrotesqueDamn that would be nice! (I'll take a pony as well)
(DIR) Post #Actr5bzjDQf7w5ZmKm by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-12-17T12:06:28Z
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@jbz I love honk, I really do, but it seems a bit too sparse for me. From what I understand, it only implements a subset of the Mastodon functions.Definitely a candidate, though.