Post AcoVUEKk2b63WMceA4 by didek@101010.pl
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(DIR) Post #Acnwldueh6dLNfzKbo by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-14T15:40:28Z
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The recent excitement surrounding Thread's arrival on the Fediverse is concerning. To understand why this is not a good idea, consider their economic interest in harvesting data, their poor moderation, and their manipulations. Nothing good can come from their federation. Don't roll out the red carpet for them.#Threads #Mastodon #Krita #MastoArt #Meta
(DIR) Post #AcnwoRNLlPNdMlkBqy by Rasp@raru.re
2023-12-14T15:42:15Z
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@davidrevoy True.
(DIR) Post #Acnx78ihLi790be6XQ by p@raru.re
2023-12-14T15:45:50Z
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my first thought when I hear someone works at facebook is.... ewww@davidrevoy
(DIR) Post #AcnxIlrUA4Y5aeInpo by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
2023-12-14T15:47:55.381502Z
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@davidrevoy If they want to harvest data, they'll do it with some random unassumingly-named node.And they'll probably do it better than the MIT guy.It's true that they'll provide approximately nothing of value, but at least for a glorious 24h we get to call the normiest normies niggers.
(DIR) Post #AcnxmrYBZjr5v9cjom by Sh4d0w_H34rt@mstdn.social
2023-12-14T15:52:00Z
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@davidrevoy a read of Threads ToS should be enough to make people worry.
(DIR) Post #Acnxwyco7x6Yl3bmZU by kirby@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-14T15:55:04.589064Z
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@davidrevoy there were a lot of vectors for anyone to start scraping the fediverse and harvest dataIf they wanted to do it, they probably have already done it
(DIR) Post #AcnySwqqG006WXPycK by 9x0rg@mamot.fr
2023-12-14T15:43:45Z
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@davidrevoy Brilliant illustration !
(DIR) Post #AcnySxlYr7N3MRxH1c by Sheilaniriain@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-14T16:00:55Z
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@9x0rg @davidrevoy Agree, it's very good!
(DIR) Post #AcnzN4iKD8wX7sCJUG by untsuki@udongein.xyz
2023-12-14T16:11:00.000589Z
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@kirby @davidrevoy But they WILL harvest data anyway, and use it like if it's on their platforms.
(DIR) Post #AcnzenoLnHlluoT8xU by kirby@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-14T16:14:17.190871Z
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@untsuki @davidrevoy yeah, soAnyone could do it, you signed up to your profiles being archived for a very long time.
(DIR) Post #Aco0LR687JPpvK7A6y by untsuki@udongein.xyz
2023-12-14T16:21:58.196095Z
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@kirby @davidrevoy I mean, not anyone will get your private posts if threads user will follow you, and dms if they are directed at threads users, from federation. And there is still poor moderation argument
(DIR) Post #Aco0skhQGBEWGyRbQu by kirby@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-14T16:27:58.929891Z
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@untsuki @davidrevoy instances with mrfs that specifically go out of their way to put followers only content into public scope exist
(DIR) Post #Aco5B3NRxEnvEL5I6S by myrmidon@mas.to
2023-12-14T16:56:11Z
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@davidrevoy If I may ask, what kind of solutions do you have in mind?
(DIR) Post #Aco5B4FghaBnwYSbdw by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-14T17:15:20Z
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@myrmidon I have no idea. I'm just a user. I understand those who are already defederated with them (as my instance), I understand those who are 'waiting and seeing'. But I'm also deeply concerned about those who praise this situation and try to normalise it as something positive. I don't see anything positive in it and I just wanted to say it.
(DIR) Post #Aco9mtjWesZ68ni9wW by heluecht@pirati.ca
2023-12-14T18:07:34Z
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@davidrevoy I will watch the situation and will react if needed. Means: when my users are getting harassed from Threads people, then I will cut the connection.
(DIR) Post #AcoAAZVnUbqMNKZvM0 by AndyGER@mastodon.social
2023-12-14T16:42:45Z
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@davidrevoy Just login and see for yourself how bad the content is. This is Instagram only with more words.This is yet another social network for content and not for discussion.Mark Zuckerberg ist unable to re invent Social Media!But it is able to kill #Twitter and #bluesky ...
(DIR) Post #AcoAAaWXjK2BVvw29g by heluecht@pirati.ca
2023-12-14T18:11:50Z
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@AndyGER @davidrevoy I hope that Bluesky will survive. It's a nice place.
(DIR) Post #AcoAbLT1onyIdS39VI by ploum@mamot.fr
2023-12-14T17:22:56Z
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@davidrevoy : looks like I will need to write a post to go with that new picture like I did withhttps://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
(DIR) Post #AcoAbM5JWSb2YBxjBA by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-14T17:33:21Z
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@ploum Please do.Many people seem to see this Threads federation test as a positive thing, or something to celebrate and I still have no idea why they do. Words missing here.
(DIR) Post #AcoAbMzg8tgPN0Kk2C by mrFred489@fosstodon.org
2023-12-14T18:10:21Z
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@ploum @davidrevoy Can you explain which negative consequences you see from this? All the data they will get is public, so they could get it anyways. I don’t think that they can really manipulate the users of the fediverse through activity pub. Moderation may be worse, but there are laws enforcing some moderation, so it can’t be completely bad. If it really is, activity pub could possibly be extended to allow moderation of other instances instead of complete blocks.
(DIR) Post #AcoAbNf9egrNRdjrgO by adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl
2023-12-14T18:16:57.002Z
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@mrFred489@fosstodon.org activity pub could possibly be extended to allow moderation of other instances instead of complete blocksWhat do you mean by this?Can you explain which negative consequences you see from this? All the data they will get is public, so they could get it anyways.Would be more difficult for them to data-mine from the outside in vs. from the inside. Additionally, I believe a big fear is that Meta will use their position and dominance to assert themselves as a chief stakeholder in the AP spec and exploit their power to push unilateral changes similar to what Google does contemporaneously with web standards. @ploum@mamot.fr @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
(DIR) Post #AcoB8TjM7HTzotUC7U by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-14T18:22:55.603849Z
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@adiz @davidrevoy @ploum @mrFred489 mastodon and pleroma both have "instance silencing" that make it so a server doesn't show any of another server's users/posts by default, except that mutual followers can still communicate. it is just ignored almost completely by mastodon people for complete blocks instead because they are control freaks.
(DIR) Post #AcoBC5gbSGNUPDv9vc by m0xEE@breloma.m0xee.net
2023-12-14T18:23:18.556432Z
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@kirby My instance will probably just choke on the attempt of being scraped — it's naturally protected by its weak hardware :marseylaugh: @davidrevoy @untsuki
(DIR) Post #AcoFwwt6NtcsXrMlwu by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2023-12-14T19:16:53.719926Z
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@davidrevoy Can they not already harvest the data via web scraping or just creating accounts on fedi?I think the only proper solution to that sort of problem is good privacy laws, like the GDPR.Or, for fedi specifically: Setting one's account to private and only approving of trusted followers, I guess.
(DIR) Post #AcoFyEWWIh65WzPrrE by Leuenberg@cyberplace.social
2023-12-14T17:32:50Z
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@davidrevoy @ariane I have a hard time understanding all this angst about Threads, besides a gross misunderstanding of how the Fediverse works. The misunderstanding is quite acceptable for an artist or most of the users, far less so for some mastodon admins who decided to block Threads.I'm therefore inviting anyone thinking Threads is dangerous to at least read Mastodon's creator thoughs about it (and dispel some weird beliefs on the way) : https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
(DIR) Post #AcoGLZZODWAtSut5iy by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-14T19:21:18.435009Z
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@Leuenberg @davidrevoy @ariane Mastodon creator didn't invent the Fediverse, wasn't here first. The Mastodon creator is very self-interested though. He had secret meetings with them too. Not interested in his opinion.
(DIR) Post #AcoIPWAX0GwLz5Gkr2 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-14T17:43:41Z
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@Leuenberg @ariane Désolé de ne pas pouvoir comprendre, je ne suis en effet qu'un artiste et c'est chose normale. /s
(DIR) Post #AcoIPWtYIsx8EiKi1o by Leuenberg@cyberplace.social
2023-12-14T17:49:33Z
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@davidrevoy @ariane Sorry about that, I initially posted in French out of habit.
(DIR) Post #AcoIPZUqdBySIxnWRE by ilja@ilja.space
2023-12-14T19:44:17.977239Z
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@Leuenberg the artist you are talking to is french, so you posting in french isn't the problem. i'm pretty sure the problem is your apparent denigrating idea that someone doesn't understand tech just because they are an artist.
(DIR) Post #AcoK6MZme1KGdh4hdo by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-12-14T20:02:56.026520Z
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@Leuenberg @davidrevoy @ariane The way the Fediverse works on a technical level doesn't really matters, except for the fact that posts are sent very widely by default and how you'd end up with a all-or-nothing communication with Meta.The way Meta makes money via harvesting data and people manipulation on the other hand is important, the fact that Meta is proprietary is also important because it means they can do extensions without others being easily able to follow or solve interoperability issues.Gargron here is playing a dangerous game and is trying to lessen the harm Meta can do.
(DIR) Post #AcoLhMTe4jVZ07PTF2 by dictatordave@poa.st
2023-12-14T18:25:27.996116Z
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@Moon @adiz @mrFred489 @davidrevoy @ploum looking at the server block lists and the reasons are pretty hilariouswhere do you guys sit? its almost like a race to see who can piss off the most degenerates
(DIR) Post #AcoLhNFVCnmzOXngps by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-14T20:21:15.758146Z
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@dictatordave we don't actively try to piss off anyone for a while now, but we're still in the top ten most blocked instances lol.
(DIR) Post #AcoMAxyxi9spidAtJg by dictatordave@poa.st
2023-12-14T20:22:41.691056Z
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@Moon oh its hilarious the knee jerk reaction from some of these schizo instances>omg right wing bigots anti trans reeeeeand its like this is a place for mostly vidya wtf are you talking about>omg nazis reee block immediately
(DIR) Post #AcoOFGWeuOxuIU778C by ErikUden@mastodon.de
2023-12-14T15:45:06Z
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@davidrevoy very powerful picture - we must not repeat the same mistakes as have been made before! Corporations could not care less about interoperability. All we do is lend them our built community and power, for which they will drop support the moment it suits their interests. Google Hangouts never needed to support XMPP, it was just a convenient tool in order for a decentralized and anticorporate alternative to messaging to be destroyed - when it no longer suited their needs XMPP support was dropped.Don't let this happen to the Fediverse - corporate, ad-mania, and data harvesting corporations do not share our values and beliefs.
(DIR) Post #AcoOFI2FIRpGyjtr0K by atocci@kbin.social
2023-12-14T16:41:04+00:00
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@ErikUden XMPP is brought up a lot as an analogy to Threads implementing ActivityPub, but I don't think it works. Google dropping XMPP support didn't destroy it, XMPP still exists today. It still had all the same users it did before Google joined the network after Google left. People don't still use XMPP today like they used to because it didn't adapt to the features people wanted in a modern chat platform. That's why we have Matrix now instead.I think ActivityPub does have the features people want though, at least right now, and it seems very flexible to the addition of new ones.
(DIR) Post #AcoOFKcTghzqzgroky by alcinnz@floss.social
2023-12-14T20:16:00Z
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@atocci @davidrevoy @ErikUden I'd quibble about XMPP lacking features...I've seen people expect XMPP to lack certain features only to be surprised that I'm actively using them!
(DIR) Post #AcoPOVuTBFW2ZQDzyi by sahat@c.im
2023-12-14T20:46:39Z
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@davidrevoy how do I find out which instances to block? How do I find out, which masto instances will block threads?
(DIR) Post #AcoPOXBsQ12AXhNPkW by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-14T20:54:51Z
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@sahat Hi, usually, each server have an "About" page, with a list at the end of moderated servers (eg. your is https://c.im/about ). About blocking them, I think blocking threads.net adress is enough but I'm not technician enough to confirm if it is an efficient method. I'm sure you'll find more advanced info on Fediblock keyword discussions.
(DIR) Post #AcoPOYeGzvLJ43fbeK by adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl
2023-12-14T21:02:42.620Z
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@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org #fediblock is beyond atrocious and an absolute cancer on the Fediverse. It should not be utilized by anyone genuinely trying to act in good faith.Blocking the sending/receiving of activities to/from threads.net is about as much as an instance can do. Ultimately, most of the Fediverse is entirely public anyway, so if Meta wants to data-mine there's very little to stop them no matter what. @sahat@c.im
(DIR) Post #AcoS6XhE6F7ElE9WiW by cereal@shitposter.club
2023-12-14T21:33:05.809592Z
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@Leuenberg @davidrevoy @ariane Gargamel, the guy who had no problems with the EU social scoring program for his rotten "network" that's just second rate trashware? What could I possibly expect other than him telling everyone to lube up for the Zuccening?
(DIR) Post #AcoSSxxF9VqEZQKwfA by diondokter@fosstodon.org
2023-12-14T15:50:01Z
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@davidrevoy Everything is public. They can already harvest the fedi data if they want.
(DIR) Post #AcoSSzSpXYhbFg7gXI by didek@101010.pl
2023-12-14T21:37:08Z
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@diondokter @davidrevoy This is not about harvesting data, but about anti-competetive strategies that can be applied for the mainly community build Fediverse by giant tech company known for trapping their users onto the platform.
(DIR) Post #AcoSy2xuZYMj5WTBjs by diondokter@fosstodon.org
2023-12-14T21:42:45Z
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@didek @davidrevoy sure, there are reasons to dislike it. But the post I responded to put the data harvesting up front. That's just not a good reason and that's what I responded to.
(DIR) Post #AcoTqrcUSLrBpNaZkW by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-14T21:09:41Z
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📽️ Process:📦 Sources: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/viewer/misc__2023-12-14_Don-t-roll-out-the-red-carpet-for-them_by-David-Revoy.html:cc: :ccby: #Krita #MastoArt
(DIR) Post #AcoTyIgKEtqJmlveEK by AndyGER@mastodon.social
2023-12-14T18:31:47Z
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@heluecht @davidrevoy Is it? It's mainly a "look how many follower I have"-place. Technically underwhelming ...
(DIR) Post #AcoTyJLRm0jhqJAUKG by heluecht@pirati.ca
2023-12-14T21:53:36Z
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@AndyGER @davidrevoy at least the bubble I'm in there is nice. Many artists, space nerds and other weird people.
(DIR) Post #AcoUvs2gPf2iXXn9IO by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-12-14T21:59:24Z
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@davidrevoy #Threads joining the #Fediverse doesn't give them access to data they couldn't harvest through other means.
(DIR) Post #AcoV4MFzxWEYZA4D4q by AndyGER@mastodon.social
2023-12-14T21:59:28Z
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@heluecht @davidrevoy The #fediverse is cool ...
(DIR) Post #AcoV4N8EhrcRHNRWcK by heluecht@pirati.ca
2023-12-14T22:06:03Z
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The Fediverse is my primary network. I'm using it now for nearly 15 years and I'm coding for Friendica for more than a decade. But I like to broaden my horizon. So I'm also using Bluesky.
(DIR) Post #AcoVUEKk2b63WMceA4 by didek@101010.pl
2023-12-14T22:10:58Z
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@diondokter @davidrevoy Right, I understand.
(DIR) Post #AcoZFSuVxfagCgZOTI by therionofthebeast@mastodon.social
2023-12-14T17:42:10Z
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@davidrevoy I thought the whole point of the fediverse was that instances were free to federate or defederate however they wished. When did we reverse that philosophy?
(DIR) Post #AcoZFTWRgdvq6KJgau by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-14T17:46:24Z
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@therionofthebeast At what point did I reverse this concept in my message?
(DIR) Post #AcoZFUFoxwECN3XvJw by therionofthebeast@mastodon.social
2023-12-14T17:53:53Z
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@davidrevoy > Nothing good can come from their federation.
(DIR) Post #AcoZFUyqGYEycgbsUi by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-14T18:14:21Z
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@therionofthebeast Yes, nothing good can come from *their* federation. It doesn't mean that I criticize the concept or philosophy of federate/defederate. Instances are free to defederate with them.
(DIR) Post #Acoa8bvo7j8Q6mTCfA by Linux_Is_Best@mstdn.social
2023-12-14T17:55:20Z
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@davidrevoy Conflict only draws attention.Being mad and upset about Meta's Threads joining the Fediverse only further promotes Threads.The best defense is not to engage and ignore.Meta wants you to see Thread users and posts. They want you to be frustrated that the two cannot interact with one another, so that out of your frustration, you will join Threads.Meta knows how people think and feel. What better way than to have you frustrated with the status quo and engage?
(DIR) Post #Acoa8gc8iHNCdEJ4CW by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-14T18:02:33Z
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@Linux_Is_Best I largely disagree. Best defense is always to start communication about something. Not engaging and ignoring something is never effective. Not thank you for teaching me how I should behave by the way.
(DIR) Post #Acpl9ABPBTBoTrVa76 by Leuenberg@cyberplace.social
2023-12-15T12:32:52Z
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@lanodan @davidrevoy @ariane Meta CANNOT harvest data on the Fediverse, this need at least to be understood. It is this myth and some others that Gargron is trying to dispel. Honestly explaining what Meta can and can't do on the Fediverse technically is not lessening the harm Meta could do but letting people make informed choice (as long as their admins allow them to).
(DIR) Post #Acpl9B5lnuHBIfsay8 by duponin@udongein.xyz
2023-12-15T12:40:49.250073Z
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@Leuenberg @lanodan @davidrevoy @ariane > Meta CANNOT harvest data on the Fediverseawww that’s so sweet and naivethey totally can, activitypub federation is basically a replication platform
(DIR) Post #AcpmWG6tPeUFThyTZY by Leuenberg@cyberplace.social
2023-12-15T12:53:16Z
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@duponin @davidrevoy @lanodan @ariane Gorgron disagrees with you here, guess who's right ? Why would Meta get more power than any other application on the fediverse ? Why would your server suddenly disclose to Meta what it is not disclosing anyway to the other servers ?
(DIR) Post #AcpmWGymBJaYApBVYm by duponin@udongein.xyz
2023-12-15T12:56:15.213224Z
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@Leuenberg @davidrevoy @lanodan @ariane because you don’t understand how federation mechanics work lmfaonice try on your authority argument fallacy btw
(DIR) Post #AcpmgTmxPZFgnTWVWK by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-15T12:37:48Z
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@Leuenberg @lanodan @ariane Do you think they'll not harvest data about what a Threads user is watching on remote instances? What content they visit, how much time they spend on it? If it triggered a compulsive buy, or writing a post? Do you think Meta will not deboost your post sent from the Fediverse on Threads, and boost artificially the brands, celebreties and politics they want, or just local users? To you think they'll do not nudge any of their users to accomplish things?
(DIR) Post #AcpsnPo1DXpCCEi5xY by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-12-15T13:22:32Z
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@registrert @davidrevoy Even if at the end of the day #Meta gets the same data either way?
(DIR) Post #Acpwd6aQDePrVegpH6 by douse_niggers_in_gasoline_and_light_them_up@eientei.org
2023-12-15T13:44:15.451816Z
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@kirby @davidrevoy I'm doing it right now, what are you going to do about it? It's public information.
(DIR) Post #Acpwd7ZOYxBmYlDWJU by kirby@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-15T14:49:44.823989Z
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@douse_niggers_in_gasoline_and_light_them_up @davidrevoy im going to rape you
(DIR) Post #Acpwg5ccGJ5xO28gsa by MK2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-15T14:50:04.944998Z
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@kirby @douse_niggers_in_gasoline_and_light_them_up @davidrevoy let's rape each other
(DIR) Post #AcpxxdEidYUIW8tFMe by sbb@c.im
2023-12-15T01:26:32Z
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@davidrevoy Your artwork is great! How about one from Aesop's fables, featuring the lion taking his "lion's share"?https://read.gov/aesop/141.htmlThose who don't see any problem with Threads joining the Fediverse apparently seem to think that functioning-by-goodwill internet Federations grow on trees, and they aren't any sort of considerable loss if sidelined and subverted by the lions who know everything there is to know about taking their "lion's share".
(DIR) Post #Acpxxe1zgLu2yxwbAW by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-15T10:20:18Z
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@sbb Good one (Aesop). I already illustrated Aesop tale ( https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/viewer/misc__2022-11-07_Aesop-Mini-comic_by-David-Revoy.html ) I'll keep a bookmark of this one.
(DIR) Post #Acq5hssxUBSY3HiJOK by Leuenberg@cyberplace.social
2023-12-15T13:25:39Z
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@duponin @davidrevoy @lanodan @ariane I think I understand enough to know that Meta is certainly not an issue here. But then please explain how suddenly Meta would be able to harvest your personnal data from your server ? I'm not aware of any way ActivityPub would allow you to get any information about the poster beside the thing he is posting (which is public anyway).
(DIR) Post #Acq5htmGAZhAonaTaa by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-12-15T16:30:58.983738Z
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@Leuenberg @duponin @davidrevoy @ariane You get everything from users except email/IP/password. They still get your username and social graph.And personal data doesn't magically becomes detached from a person when it becomes public (which is actually not so public when it comes to profiles only visible via authenticated-fetches).
(DIR) Post #Acq84ArpVhnA6IwTrc by Leuenberg@cyberplace.social
2023-12-15T16:46:11Z
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@lanodan @davidrevoy @ariane @duponin Agreed, but then it's not a concern with Meta, technically they could retrieve all the public data they want with an accounts on big instance and start playing with the APIs.I suspect that many people freaking out about Meta have no idea of the big privacy issues intrinsic to ActivityPub, at least I know that Meta do not care about my activity since they can't monetize it. I'm not so confident about those rogue or badly maintained servers.
(DIR) Post #Acq84Bq5tdzv7D8bnU by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-12-15T16:57:19.582769Z
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@Leuenberg @davidrevoy @ariane @duponin The thing which is different from Threads vs. other servers is that we can be reasonably sure right from the start that they're going to abuse the data.And we know ActivityPub sucks about data privacy and it could do better, but we also know that enforcing data privacy via technology alone doesn't really works because otherwise you'd end up a hermit.Never had a friend tell someone else about your secrets? Or did something a bit embarrassing in public? (Or that you'd regret years/decades later)Meta works like a creep who would gather information about people at their expanse.
(DIR) Post #AcqI7FoKaNrDqLPfEm by IgorRock@social.cologne
2023-12-15T15:25:26Z
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@davidrevoy Let me put it this way: Yes, I care about my privacy, that's why I'm on Mastodon.No, most other people don't care about this, and cannot be bothered to do so (their choice).ActivityPub is a protocol like SMTP, which just means that everybody can implement a service with it, which then can interact with other services using the same protocol.I myself am looking forward to finally be able to chat with those other people again WITHOUT HAVING TO JOIN THAT COMMERCIAL PLATFORM MYSELF.
(DIR) Post #AcqI7GrYfs276dvkuG by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-15T15:33:39Z
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@IgorRock Please no cap. Cap I read them as yelling. 😅 Good you talk about SMTP: are you informed about how Gmail, right now −because of getting majority of emails− is doing the law on the world of email? (eg. https://thedaily.case.edu/upcoming-gmail-changes-may-impact-email-delivery/ ). Don't you think Meta becoming a major player in the Fedi world could push some 'security check', complexify the standard until no little project could follow, this type of things? Don't you see the dependency in case they takes it all as Gmail did?
(DIR) Post #AcqI7HbztDBDQfeqI4 by IgorRock@social.cologne
2023-12-15T15:49:52Z
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@davidrevoy Well, as long as there is no "bold font" or anything in Mastodon, the only way to emphasize the important part is - sadly - upper case.As such, on platforms which don't support bold or italic fonts, I myself don't equal upper case text with yelling, as I do on platforms which have those.Maybe this is something which should be improved in Mastodon (it would be easy to use some wiki-like syntax to do so, to be honest, clients just would have to support it, no protocol change needed).
(DIR) Post #AcqI7I2EJgACk1vnBA by IgorRock@social.cologne
2023-12-15T15:29:27Z
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@davidrevoy PS: And EVERYTHING you publish on Mastodon (or the Fediverse as such) is widely available for anybody who is interested to analyze it already, so that's a stupid argument, sorry.The important thing is that when I'm using Mastodon to chat with somebody on Threads, Meta doesn't get *any more data* than they would be able to get by just following me themselves (e.g. via RSS).Which means that Meta won't get my location data, my real name (if I don't want to), or any other personal data
(DIR) Post #AcqI7IYqMQFeNBBq0u by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-15T16:40:52Z
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@IgorRock I think I read somewhere some instances and versions supports Markdown basic feature. Let's test (I always was curious 🙂 ):*test***test**_test_~~test~~~test~> quote## Title[edit: Ok, edit after I saw the result: it doesn't work on my side 😅 Good to know ]
(DIR) Post #AcqI7JLlQXNoou4uGW by maxmustermann@shitposter.club
2023-12-15T18:50:34.225896Z
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@davidrevoy @IgorRock Can you see this?test test test test ~test~quoteTitlePleroma has rich text by default.
(DIR) Post #AcqIo8O243khGmYhuK by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-15T18:56:27Z
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@maxmustermann @IgorRock Hey Max, if you need a visual feedback, this is what I see from a 4.2.3 Mastodon, using default web interface from firefox on a desktop computer : https://www.peppercarrot.com/extras/temp/2023-12-15_screenshot_195446_net.jpg
(DIR) Post #AcqIo96hNzTtVJSNWq by maxmustermann@shitposter.club
2023-12-15T18:58:20.089167Z
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@davidrevoy @IgorRock Hmmm. I think Mastodon is more autistic about this than most people... TestingThis should render correctlyMastodon has richtext autism
(DIR) Post #AcqItV557BSL6RFm6K by maxmustermann@shitposter.club
2023-12-15T18:59:19.329322Z
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@davidrevoy @IgorRock I used to be able to inject arbitrary emoji with Image tags into my post, but my admin or the Pleroma devs have deactivated that feature.
(DIR) Post #AcqJ05RWpnq1cCtSjY by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-15T19:00:16.402024Z
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@maxmustermann @davidrevoy @IgorRock I have not changed anything.
(DIR) Post #AcqJ6VcGR6uUWkyeiu by maxmustermann@shitposter.club
2023-12-15T19:01:00.145144Z
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@Moon @IgorRock @davidrevoy Pleromer devs then.
(DIR) Post #AcqKHNTd8cWKQJgYWO by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2023-12-15T19:09:21Z
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@maxmustermann @IgorRock It's insulting to read your use of autistic/autism for a software behavior that you feel is missing a feature. If you had no idea, now you know and feel free to edit. If it was on purpose, then I'll block you.
(DIR) Post #AcqKHOSFVF0fSK2y0W by maxmustermann@shitposter.club
2023-12-15T19:14:49.885470Z
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@davidrevoy @IgorRock Boom, done. Now even the Jargon should be translated correctly. Alongside the Markdown unless I was wrong about the way Mastodon's interpreter works.A thing that used to not work with Mastodon was sharing activities that contained article-tags.
(DIR) Post #AcqYhCCj4RoILiz3Ts by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-12-15T16:20:33Z
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@registrert @davidrevoy I mean the tough part for you is that there'd have to actually be a functional difference between the two. Is there one? Does #Meta get more information by federating with the #Fediverse than through scraping or just pinging that APIs the right way?