Post AciZsOFS418e5aAFIO by NoBeret@noagendasocial.com
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(DIR) Post #AchzwUc8jyrGdoQwPQ by NoBeret@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-11T18:22:49Z
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Good God episode 1615 parrots Kennedy invoking the milgram experiment without mentioning its been LONG DEBUNKED
(DIR) Post #AchzwW6JDIaJFfYY4W by NoBeret@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-11T18:23:51Z
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Screw this bullshit
(DIR) Post #AchzxC8Cwd3jbilerY by SirRoundedByMyPrivilege@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-11T18:49:24Z
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Which bullshit are we screwing today, @NoBeret?
(DIR) Post #AciZsNQl6UaZYMRlHU by restful@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-11T18:30:55Z
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@NoBeret It's been replicated, right? What do you mean by debunked? There's quite a lot fo cognitive science along the same lines, maybe with less pizzazz.
(DIR) Post #AciZsOFS418e5aAFIO by NoBeret@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-11T18:46:28Z
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@restful show where it was replicated. It was debunked when Milgram's notes became available almost a decade ago and showed him lying about his bullshit story. If you cannot find this without someone else looking it up for you then you don't need to be commenting either.
(DIR) Post #AciZsQeh78WDYRzQv2 by restful@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-11T18:49:36Z
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@NoBeret I know the notes were found and the tapes for the experiments which show coercion (no shit) and that people claimed after the fact that they knew it was a ruse (of course they would). It's also in line with a lot of other research. Apparently replicated here but I can't read the full text. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1559-1816.1999.tb00134.x
(DIR) Post #AciZsRKsaIGLfHj7fk by FortyTwo@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-12T01:31:54Z
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@restful @NoBeret when we consider the goings-on during the actual experiment and look at the experimenter’s four prods to encourage participants to continue, they reveal that people really do not like following orders. ... none of Milgram’s participants continued with the study after hearing this order. As Reicher said – Milgram’s own research here is emphatically not showing that people have a tendency to obey orders.https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/why-almost-everything-you-know-about-milgram-wrong
(DIR) Post #AciaUEC1tgLxuKbdfU by FortyTwo@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-12T01:38:45Z
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@restful @NoBeret The Stanford Prison Experiment was massively influential. We just learned it was a fraud.The Stanford Prison Experiment has been included in many, many introductory psychology textbooks and is often cited uncritically. It’s the subject of movies, documentaries, books, television shows, and congressional testimony.But its findings were wrong. Very wrong. And not just due to its questionable ethics or lack of concrete data — but because of deceit. https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication
(DIR) Post #AcibbT2DDMKFv41usq by restful@noagendasocial.com
2023-12-12T01:51:15Z
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@FortyTwo @NoBeret That's a nice summary. From memory, I think the final prod was often required after they'd heard the learner put the pain into words. You having dueling pressures, the pressure from the authority figure and the pressure from the learner. When the pressure is unidirectional it's somewhat easier, like the nurse who administered ear drops to the anus with full compliance from the patient after the doctor shortened right ear to r ear.