Post AcdTeVTQpdryvetsrg by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
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(DIR) Post #AcdN3fyAFN7B2cKVaC by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:14:39.482371Z
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Fediverse decentralized achievements/badges are on hold because there's no JSON-LD canonicalization/signature library for Elixir/Erlang. I might give up and implement it without signatures though, I'm trying to decide because complete compliance with the Verifiable Credentials spec is important to me. I don't want to write a JSON-LD library.
(DIR) Post #AcdNOgpiENZdnjOeoK by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:18:27.636796Z
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What is the point of signing these badges/achievements? Just in case the canonical source (whichever instance issued them) goes down?
(DIR) Post #AcdNSX6GMOEClyyEeO by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:19:12.505956Z
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@NEETzsche strict compatibility with the spec, and getting shitposter.club and pleroma listed in a W3C document as a conforming implementation.
(DIR) Post #AcdNgAjqISyLTQzH9s by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:21:37.925155Z
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Fair enough. Where can I read about this? Also, more importantly (to me), where would badges be displayed in an FE?
(DIR) Post #AcdNoYAN4nZcS0OI40 by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:23:10.446632Z
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@NEETzsche they are gonna be displayed on your profile. any server can issue them to any other user on any other server after a user "accepts" the offer of a credential. You can google them they are called "Verifiable Credentials"
(DIR) Post #AcdNt31UIHFDJFNdS4 by moth_ball@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:24:00.919564Z
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@Moon @NEETzsche I for one applaud your commitment to this noble cause on par with getting the name "niggy" listed in government documents.
(DIR) Post #AcdNxIrLM9zhaEfGIC by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:24:44.993573Z
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That’s what I was about to ask next: if you have to accept them. Imagine if anybody can give you a “retard” award and it goes on your profile with no recourse lmfao
(DIR) Post #AcdO27zVBzBHK7mV1M by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:25:37.789201Z
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@NEETzsche there's no requirement in the spec for it I think but I am requiring it for it to be shown on a profile.
(DIR) Post #AcdORbdU6uNSVNdE3s by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:30:11.439752Z
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Where is this spec?
(DIR) Post #AcdOZIwRUzy0qJAbKq by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:31:34.666131Z
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@NEETzsche https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-data-model-2.0/
(DIR) Post #AcdOdhWK3eHkEM361Y by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:32:23.788057Z
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We should just start over and write out our own fedi implementation in a scripting language that has all the cool toys. Phoenix is a meme and so is Elixir. Functional programming was a mistake.
(DIR) Post #AcdOfk9LFkMcxrH2Ku by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:32:48.051959Z
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@NEETzsche the problem here is JSON-LD sucks
(DIR) Post #AcdOjpn8DdWJcWpsyu by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:33:30.679982Z
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Yeah but don’t scripting language such as Python or Ruby have this shit
(DIR) Post #AcdOluPA2NzmVXc41o by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:33:54.645739Z
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@NEETzsche I am not touching either of those.
(DIR) Post #AcdOsm17cZt8WLdshc by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:35:06.606170Z
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Ideological objection to soiscripting?
(DIR) Post #AcdOt8y4I66zhXOGdU by mint@ryona.agency
2023-12-09T13:33:24.476180Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon The first mass adopted fedi implementation (GNU Social) is written in arguably one of the most popular scripting languages (PHP).
(DIR) Post #AcdOvdtqG3pUDJba4G by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:35:37.516069Z
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@NEETzsche I dislike both of those specifically because they are too slow.
(DIR) Post #AcdP5SK69c5xCoZ8PA by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T13:37:28.030611Z
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@Moon @NEETzsche my balls smell pretty bad I need to take a shower
(DIR) Post #AcdP7pAy9v8af4QQ5I by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:37:50.156096Z
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Are new things actually written in PHP? I heard it’s having some kind of meme comeback, but can’t confirm
(DIR) Post #AcdPAufkBEF8ZpIC4O by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:38:25.653301Z
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@NEETzsche @mint there's at least four implementations of acvtivitypub in php in active use
(DIR) Post #AcdPBGfqNXOYoVVaHQ by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:38:28.854331Z
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Really, scripting languages were never meant for speed so I just never cared. If I need to crunch numbers I write a liberry in C or use CUDA or something.
(DIR) Post #AcdPCUyagjY5Serd3I by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-12-09T13:38:43.149975Z
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@Moon @NEETzsche you could wrap an existing parser that is written in c/++, since its possible for BEAM to call out to native code this way.
(DIR) Post #AcdPEo9sLCXlX4F9zk by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:39:05.785523Z
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@icedquinn @NEETzsche thats a good idea
(DIR) Post #AcdPL1iErLn7J8HXVY by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T13:40:16.902021Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon js is only 50%-200% the performance slowdown from C while python and others are 30x+
(DIR) Post #AcdPRYUPuMNYhXvigy by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:41:24.330936Z
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Yeah but that’s really only pertinent when you’re crunching numbers or processing six gorillion requests a second.
(DIR) Post #AcdPVI5GqU7Ayjwuhs by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:42:01.033342Z
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@NEETzsche @rees Python is pathetically slow no matter what.
(DIR) Post #AcdPbtKfGoRuEvITz6 by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T13:43:19.527615Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon that matters at web scale trying to spin up server side rendering apps
(DIR) Post #AcdPdTm1GgYnY8qiEC by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:43:32.637571Z
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I still get recruiters trying to shill me Ruby jobs because I did so much work in it. They’re using it for medical records now, apparently. I bet it’s still a shitpile, just like a decade ago when I was doing that garbage, just in .NET instead.
(DIR) Post #AcdPg5pqj5siAvt3gm by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:44:03.968154Z
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@NEETzsche @rees I have heard it's really mostly Ruby on Rails that's slow, pure ruby isn't as bad.
(DIR) Post #AcdPxITkyFCaJOkytE by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:47:06.867745Z
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If you’re comparing it to C, or even other languages like Go or Elixir, Ruby is pretty clunky no matter what. However, as far as really effective API string manipulation songs and dances, it really can’t be beat in terms of code elegance. I keep insisting on using the right tool for the job, and if it’s JSON sperging then the buck stops at Ruby.But again, if you have to do any real number crunching, just skip all of these scripting languages outright. Skip Ruby, Python, JavaScript, Lua, fuck all of that
(DIR) Post #AcdQ06u0T7aTHCNOxk by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:47:40.315065Z
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@NEETzsche @rees elixir is fairly similar to ruby with none of the downsides
(DIR) Post #AcdQ38IbjRNUTeKBlo by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T13:48:14.900552Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon rust supports ruby-like string manip
(DIR) Post #AcdQ6yd3cx9Rdzisgi by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:48:52.095113Z
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Well, except for the JSON-LD issue you just brought up. This is one o them “rubber hits the road” scenarios where the universally-hated language/framework does, legitimately, just win.
(DIR) Post #AcdQ7iEW4Wqx5Cavp2 by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T13:49:03.988152Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon compile time so zero-cost unlike templating languages which need to do it at runtime
(DIR) Post #AcdQABLumIgHySEV60 by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T13:49:31.630984Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon json-ld is retarded in general
(DIR) Post #AcdQEnBs2UaCU7jW9A by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:50:17.579179Z
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Isn’t Rust statically typed? That’s consistently trash for webshitting.
(DIR) Post #AcdQK9e1yyNRZbSh8K by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T13:51:19.717957Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon yeah and it's not problem for UI or web stuff, look at dioxus, full fledged UI based on CSS rendering and react-style component renderinghttps://dioxuslabs.com/
(DIR) Post #AcdQPOjbJ2wRozZER6 by kirby@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-09T13:52:13.339385Z
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@NEETzsche @rees @Moon >statically typed
(DIR) Post #AcdQTBkRX0FShelisK by kirby@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-09T13:52:54.928756Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon @rees [makes json horrible to work with tho so]
(DIR) Post #AcdQVP0pBbksQ8UEvg by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:53:19.064024Z
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>it’s not problemBro I’m in a thread where people are coping about how Elixir can’t handle JSON-LD shit and that the issue isn’t Elixir, but JSON-LD. I realize it’s a combination of you and Moon and neither of you are doing all of this, but the facts on the ground are that these more mature scripting languages still stand on top of things like Rust, Go, or Elixir, and this is coming from someone who has no ideological objection to any of them.These languages and their libraries just plain aren’t mature and it’s unclear if they ever will be.
(DIR) Post #AcdQVwiZrxMSxOD9Cy by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T13:53:27.353124Z
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@kirby @NEETzsche @Moon ?
(DIR) Post #AcdQYsg3LhU1IGQhXc by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T13:53:59.455543Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon json-ld doesn't accomplish anything 😆
(DIR) Post #AcdQbzaO7Sd3aaGP0S by kirby@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-09T13:54:29.365451Z
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@rees @NEETzsche @Moon without using unions you can't get the value off of a key in a json message without having a stroke using like 4 different functions
(DIR) Post #AcdQe8fHKqZEKGZgau by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:54:53.091315Z
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And what do these meme languages accomplish? If your language can’t handle fucking JSON it’s shit.
(DIR) Post #AcdQfL2umtRZ10Cbi4 by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:55:06.186631Z
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@rees @NEETzsche well I need it for a thing I'm working on
(DIR) Post #AcdQgdxNxm9JxJEppw by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T13:55:23.572550Z
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@kirby @NEETzsche @Moon what?
(DIR) Post #AcdQkIhcvZQJCAbxI0 by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T13:56:03.258044Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon json-ld is just json, every language can handle it. if we are talking about json decoding performance then rust is a leader in it
(DIR) Post #AcdQnIj9ID9u8kknU8 by kirby@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-09T13:56:33.188646Z
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@rees @NEETzsche @Moon nevermind
(DIR) Post #AcdQnLb6cZVX2g0urg by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T13:56:36.315078Z
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@Moon @NEETzsche do you though
(DIR) Post #AcdQoAC2VWlBxhg7NI by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:56:43.857467Z
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@rees @NEETzsche we all agree that JSON-LD sucks
(DIR) Post #AcdQsv46BGgyUVERSC by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T13:57:36.726067Z
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@Moon @NEETzsche I go even further and say that it doesn't do anything
(DIR) Post #AcdQtbnxHAKR2t0elE by iska@catposter.club
2023-12-09T13:57:36.690Z
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@kirby@lab.nyanide.com @NEETzsche@iddqd.social @rees@breastmilk.club @Moon@shitposter.club names were not supposed to have types[insert stop doing x meme that I'm too lazy to make]
(DIR) Post #AcdQwqwlQzo0sPg1tg by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T13:58:16.932349Z
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@rees @NEETzsche it does exactly one useful thing, badly: canonicalization of json for signing.
(DIR) Post #AcdQynupfv9m3ShhBY by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T13:58:36.951067Z
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>decoding performanceI’m not learning a statically-typed language to manipulate strings for marginal “decoding performance” when, in practice, anything that relies on heavy string manipulation isn’t about processing it fast, but about processing it right.
(DIR) Post #AcdR2FiUlgRX9AZrfM by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T13:59:17.951731Z
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@Moon @NEETzsche no it doesn't I've seen multiple schemes for that and they aren't json-ld specific. ever seen signatures embedded inside AP objects? lol
(DIR) Post #AcdR6B99hX9g8Dv5SS by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:00:00.520392Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon doesn't take long if you are polyglot
(DIR) Post #AcdR9BMNMgFRf5XGt6 by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:00:19.808039Z
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@rees @NEETzsche I didn't say it was the only way, I said it had one useful function.
(DIR) Post #AcdRBMsHWaz5x8V9rU by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:00:53.281781Z
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It doesn’t take long to learn new languages, but it does take long to reimplement extant projects in new languages from scratch, which is usually pointless unless you’re doing something. If you insist on dropping everything to chase the new meme language every couple years you’re not a polyglot, you’re a retard.
(DIR) Post #AcdRJDjbOIPNvFBbRg by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:02:19.012161Z
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@NEETzsche @rees the good news is I found an implementation of signatures in go, the bad news is it's spread between two projects
(DIR) Post #AcdRK2XeUU9XUwzHOq by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:02:30.488987Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon rust isn't a meme language, it's 10y and has made its way into the linux kernel. you want an excuse to not learn it
(DIR) Post #AcdRLzIbWB0o1JsTFA by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:02:51.921170Z
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@Moon @NEETzsche >implementation of signatures in gohttp-sigs?
(DIR) Post #AcdROkExxihuBYUToW by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:03:20.658383Z
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@rees @NEETzsche I don't need http sigs I need json-ld proofs
(DIR) Post #AcdRSvjPBHwsyxiwiW by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:04:06.875694Z
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@Moon @NEETzsche >I need json-ld proofsno you don't, just drop json-ld and treat it like json like everyone else and you're good to go
(DIR) Post #AcdRWjsRCHOvNJlUYq by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:04:45.985936Z
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@rees @NEETzsche I need it to conform to a specification for interoperability outside the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AcdRYCuMkI0vheMohU by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:04:58.840949Z
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Rust is a meme language. I don’t need an excuse to not learn it. I’m likely going to be starting a new project for work and I’m going to be picking out new language/framework, so I’m going to be looking at Rust more seriously soon.But it’s a meme language. Basically anything that isn’t C, Python, or .NET is a meme language at this point. Ruby is a meme language and I love it. Elixir is even more of a meme language and I’ve found it nice to work with, although I’m not very good in it yet.
(DIR) Post #AcdRYmRubYdzvpKbLc by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:05:10.618405Z
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@Moon @NEETzsche fuck them
(DIR) Post #AcdRigA4pxCpKJi1nE by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:06:54.931673Z
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@NEETzsche @rees people are using it productively but wake me when it has an ebnf grammar
(DIR) Post #AcdRjSwdSiZKconU92 by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:07:06.798598Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon @rees Rust had licencing controversy. A fucking programming language. It's 200% meme.
(DIR) Post #AcdRmPH9Yn7e79nROS by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:07:38.087279Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon >is a meme languageuse real words, no one knows what you mean by "meme language" at this point when JS is the majority of the web and has more usage than your non-meme languages
(DIR) Post #AcdRnM3N1g9cPUnlbM by fantasia@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-09T14:06:05.084993Z
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@rees @NEETzsche @Moon Rust was started in 2006, so nearly 20.
(DIR) Post #AcdRpVtlOS5dWVKzEO by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:08:12.096621Z
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@Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon >it's 200% memeuse real words
(DIR) Post #AcdRq8G4lwW6Ui4LHk by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:08:15.018263Z
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I’m not even against meme languages. Any tech sperg on fedi probably has a proclivity for them. I’m no exception.But it’s a meme language. There’s a degree of value in self-awareness.Here’s what makes something a meme language: if only tech spergs care about it and employers don’t know wtf it is.
(DIR) Post #AcdRr0SLGYPkaODttw by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:08:28.670501Z
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@rees @NEETzsche @Moon No.
(DIR) Post #AcdRsAK04WWTTMsFtY by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:08:38.120010Z
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Oh right, sorry, JS isn’t a meme language by the definition I just gave. So C, JS, Python, and .NET
(DIR) Post #AcdRy6IdwE62jj4Ms4 by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:09:44.962789Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon don't forget java and other shit languages lol
(DIR) Post #AcdS0klMT4VwoHlcP2 by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:10:14.364250Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon @rees I dunno, I think a meme language is one that deliberately goes out of its way to have ugly syntax, and includes its own shitty "package manager".
(DIR) Post #AcdS238rcWqg6LNW8u by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:10:25.923272Z
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@rees @NEETzsche I remember when java was a meme language
(DIR) Post #AcdS4mCb3hFeQrQNvM by fantasia@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-09T14:10:37.102126Z
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@rees @NEETzsche @Moon Rust is not a meme language. Usually people saying this haven't written any Rust.Hare is an example of a meme language. Drew's opinions get in the way of it ever being a widely used language
(DIR) Post #AcdS64qlDCugYapadM by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:11:11.675388Z
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@Moon @NEETzsche and c++
(DIR) Post #AcdS6s89zIwjOkLg3c by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:11:18.989377Z
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@fantasia @rees @NEETzsche I don't like being like this but yeah I won't ever touch Hare because it's his project.
(DIR) Post #AcdSD4phfpwWWzfsEy by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:12:23.331869Z
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Whenever I go on fedi or places like it and talk about programming languages it just feels like people are trying to shill me on their language that nobody knows like it’s some kind of fucking religion.Do you remember the late 2010s functional programming sermons?
(DIR) Post #AcdSF73COpbZzKxQlk by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:12:49.345944Z
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@Moon @fantasia @NEETzsche gemini has always made me seethe
(DIR) Post #AcdSIfe0EnlU9Brvg8 by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:13:26.385622Z
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@NEETzsche @rees @Zerglingman I'm actually using Elixir in my job, I am using functional programming, I am using heavy concurrency, I am using pattern matching, these used to all be memes and I'm doing them all and they are great.
(DIR) Post #AcdSIs8DoH4EsO6ERk by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:13:26.866598Z
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Rust is the meme language of the 2020s. In the 2010s, the meme language of the decade was Ruby, and I learned it to pay the bills.
(DIR) Post #AcdSMsSgWanF3fa4m0 by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:14:14.261257Z
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@Moon @rees @NEETzsche >concurrency>memeIsn't that just a meme name for threading? Of course threading's great, until you accidentally create a race condition.
(DIR) Post #AcdSNCLGbsk8iSGQzI by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:14:16.010957Z
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@rees @fantasia @NEETzsche the guy who wrote the Curl program wrote about Gemini and not 100% of what he said was positive so Gemini people lost their shit even though he was right.
(DIR) Post #AcdSPBuz9nOnyqvCEq by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:14:35.873945Z
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Don’t get me wrong, I’m pro-meme in this respect, but I see all these people getting activated in my mentions about how Rust isn’t a meme language or how Elixir is totally legit bro and I have to lol lmao. But you’re right: I’m very likely going to pick up something I consider a meme for work, since I’m about to have carte blanche.
(DIR) Post #AcdSPrqVGqlm179D5E by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:14:45.087402Z
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@Zerglingman @rees @NEETzsche Elixir is very good for it.
(DIR) Post #AcdSSJg8lAnOuzT528 by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:15:11.647471Z
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@NEETzsche @rees @Zerglingman If I ever need to get another job I need to find an Elixir job because I can't go back, man
(DIR) Post #AcdSTtkS8iTX4kEuMS by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:15:30.383310Z
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@Moon @rees @NEETzsche It makes it hard to accidentally create race conditions?
(DIR) Post #AcdSWPc0dqPiTjUMrI by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-12-09T14:15:55.868736Z
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@Moon @rees @fantasia @NEETzsche wasn't it basically "seems kinda dumb and half baked" basicallyi think i said something like that too
(DIR) Post #AcdSYfBFjICFLI2yae by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:16:18.428089Z
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I had an entire course in college about multithreaded programming but what made that class cool is that they let undergraduates like me use the supercomputer to crunch mad numbers with CUDA. The jobs were designed to run for 30min and you had carte blanche. Half of us wrote BitCoin miners and SHA hash crackers. Shit was so cash, even though the SHA hash crackers didn’t work lol
(DIR) Post #AcdSYwvxisf2P521Fw by sysrq@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-09T14:16:23.678469Z
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@Zerglingman @rees @NEETzsche @Moon Concurrency and threading are not the same, concurrency can be implemented with a single thread.
(DIR) Post #AcdSZ2aYhN6ZwR40jA by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:16:23.774033Z
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@Zerglingman @rees @NEETzsche it makes it trivial to spawn processed on the fly for work and to arrange parallel work automatically.
(DIR) Post #AcdSZbSz1WqG74mxHM by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:16:31.583128Z
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@Moon @fantasia @NEETzsche gemini it's just stupid if you think about it for more than 10 seconds. all gemini does is time travel back the standards to where we were 20-30 years ago. well we already did that, and we found out the result of that. it's not a technical solution it's a political one. if you are going to do that we should just be passing around JSON like fedi instead of shitty html
(DIR) Post #AcdSiF4jdtvZH5Z9to by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:18:02.532831Z
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@rees @fantasia @NEETzsche of course it's political, they even say so. it is somewhat different because they intentionally designed the gemini spec so it's not extensible so that it can't be "ruined" over time
(DIR) Post #AcdSnhkEThxHdfa4VU by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:18:58.606799Z
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If it’s not extensible it’s DOA.
(DIR) Post #AcdSnxB16PIDV5EAq0 by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:19:06.621118Z
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@NEETzsche @Zerglingman @Moon I linked you to a study (and pete, got no replies) on rust creating sound code for kernelshttps://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3623759.3624554>The memory-safe systems programming language Rust is gaining more and more attention in the operating system development communities, as it provides memory safety without sacrificing performance or control. However, these safety guarantees only apply to the safe subset of Rust, while bare-metal programming requires some parts of the program to be written in unsafe Rust. Writing abstractions for these parts of the software that are sound, meaning that they guarantee the absence of undefined behavior and thus uphold the invariants of safe Rust, can be challenging. Producing sound code, however, is essential to avoid breakage when the code is used in new ways or the compiler behavior changes.>In this paper, we present common patterns of unsound abstractions derived from the experience of reworking soundness in our kernel. During this process, we were able to remove over 400 unsafe expressions while discovering and fixing several hard-to-spot concurrency bugs along the way.
(DIR) Post #AcdSqBNXGrIu7s97Vg by sysrq@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-09T14:19:30.469992Z
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@mischievoustomato @rees @fantasia @NEETzsche @Moon I loved waiting two hours for the Rust compiler to compile on 16 threads.
(DIR) Post #AcdSqmA0W7T2Cd6L3o by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:19:35.219755Z
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Why do I care about this?
(DIR) Post #AcdSsyFiWuqMHiooqG by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:20:01.860748Z
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@NEETzsche @Zerglingman @Moon >During this process, we were able to remove over 400 unsafe expressions while discovering and fixing several hard-to-spot concurrency bugs along the way.
(DIR) Post #AcdSthw8g2VzyK0piC by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:20:07.983825Z
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@NEETzsche @rees @fantasia it's designed to do exactly one small thing.
(DIR) Post #AcdSzidwxkaztvN4e8 by fantasia@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-09T14:20:02.288118Z
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@sysrq @mischievoustomato @rees @NEETzsche @Moon What program? Never had that long times.
(DIR) Post #AcdSzjOOB5k6Dx6A1w by sysrq@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-09T14:21:14.020554Z
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@fantasia @mischievoustomato @rees @NEETzsche @Moon The compiler itself.
(DIR) Post #AcdT272BFVuu7vqVxg by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:21:38.763722Z
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@rees @Zerglingman @NEETzsche rust compiler targets only a small fraction of platforms that linux is compiled for so I'm not sure what the deal is
(DIR) Post #AcdT5go0hyUTwGvKhE by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:22:16.469920Z
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Okay. So you’re saying I should learn Rust because in doing so it will help me retard-proof future projects?
(DIR) Post #AcdTBJNqhfvx2CMrs8 by sysrq@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-09T14:23:19.592524Z
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@rees @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon The paper is a piece of shit on the basis that I can't read it due to cloudfed forcing me to click the boats.
(DIR) Post #AcdTCRYvmSOIgq5hrc by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-12-09T14:23:12.194469Z
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@Moon @rees @Zerglingman @NEETzsche Apple, Pepsi, Toyota, Nintendo... you have options with Elixir. It's infecting everything
(DIR) Post #AcdTCeXdWa50waaM9Q by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:23:35.187743Z
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@NEETzsche @Zerglingman @Moon that's one reason, I actually find it quicker to prototype in rust than javascript at times
(DIR) Post #AcdTDaJSjRCk7QOr6u by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:23:45.789918Z
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@sysrq @NEETzsche @Moon @rees The increasing unavailability of science
(DIR) Post #AcdTDcY4Q64t3JFY9o by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:23:43.925646Z
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@feld @rees @Zerglingman @NEETzsche apparently Discord dropped it. I don't want to work with pedophile groomers anyway though
(DIR) Post #AcdTEknlDkDmwF84Ke by fantasia@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-09T14:22:29.509104Z
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@sysrq @mischievoustomato @rees @NEETzsche @Moon that's an outlier project - LLVM/GCC also takes more time to compile
(DIR) Post #AcdTElUIfaFV4B22dc by sysrq@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-09T14:23:57.392311Z
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@fantasia @mischievoustomato @rees @NEETzsche @Moon What a surprise; they're all shit compilers.
(DIR) Post #AcdTFfktT4nRZrE5HE by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:24:05.154230Z
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Seriously? This is persuasive
(DIR) Post #AcdTGetAAwelBAZ38S by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:24:19.124788Z
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@Moon @rees @NEETzsche @feld basedblob
(DIR) Post #AcdTLNycTu7IAwN2oq by fantasia@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-09T14:24:46.403870Z
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@sysrq @mischievoustomato @rees @NEETzsche @Moon Somehow, some combination of them was used to compile the software you're using right now
(DIR) Post #AcdTLOuP14Kz49PBsu by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:25:05.912878Z
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The Internet is shit. Hasn’t stopped me from using it.
(DIR) Post #AcdTLbeDeY7IZivwxs by fantasia@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-09T14:24:07.396827Z
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@Moon @rees @NEETzsche I still don't understand the purpose of Gemini. Basic HTML can do everything Gemini can, what is a new protocol going to do?
(DIR) Post #AcdTLcOItCyoseUknQ by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:25:08.922272Z
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@fantasia @rees @NEETzsche the purpose of gemini is to reduce back down to a simple hypertext document web, and it more or less succeeds at that. I personally think it is TOO reduced.
(DIR) Post #AcdTOSaRnVGnLHWw9w by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:25:43.273042Z
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@feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon gonna get heat for this but programming is on its way out anyways so who cares if it's elixir or w/e
(DIR) Post #AcdTOwHhNm69RozO6K by sysrq@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-09T14:25:47.342605Z
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@fantasia @mischievoustomato @rees @NEETzsche @Moon So?
(DIR) Post #AcdTQ3WzvOKoDFg51k by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:25:58.352838Z
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Do you think this because of LLMs?
(DIR) Post #AcdTRpiqElAVxq45lA by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:26:19.941239Z
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@Moon @fantasia @NEETzsche he's a retard for wanting to pull back to html when we could just be using json objects
(DIR) Post #AcdTTjHz7tncaiPJHU by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:26:40.508822Z
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@NEETzsche @feld @Zerglingman @Moon LLM + some sort of hypervisor agent that coordinates them
(DIR) Post #AcdTTqFPFstcAkFqjY by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:26:42.087398Z
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@rees @NEETzsche @Moon @feld >"get heat"blob
(DIR) Post #AcdTWSryd80SXHXwLQ by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:27:10.149384Z
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@Zerglingman @feld @NEETzsche @Moon NO BULLY :(
(DIR) Post #AcdTXzI7ZYlxNaV996 by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-12-09T14:27:03.461145Z
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@NEETzsche @rees @Zerglingman @Moon yes...Toyota's connected car services are ElixirNintendo's online store and other services are ElixirPepsi allegedly uses it in their manufacturing somewhere. They are past sponsors of Elixir conferences.Apple -- unclear where they're using it, but they're paying customers of Oban Pro
(DIR) Post #AcdTYkPWNrcPW9KDho by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:27:32.112325Z
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I’m skeptical. A lot of the content LLMs produce is garbage anyway. I’m pro-LLM and very skeptical of them.
(DIR) Post #AcdTZkYXKRfYG41IMi by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:27:46.154466Z
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@rees @feld @NEETzsche @Moon If you post extremely retarded things, people are going to call you a retard. No controversy or heat or whatever.
(DIR) Post #AcdTagHsgWoDJCfoSO by fantasia@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-09T14:27:55.990004Z
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@rees @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon Until LLMs can debug code they will not replace programmers
(DIR) Post #AcdTdHXNA5rdPs9xSK by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:28:21.983609Z
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@rees @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche I use ChatGPT to get answers to programming questions whjen I can't find the answser anyt other way and it literally just lies to me 80% of the time and tells me to do things that are impossible. It works well for languages that are in wide use and common problems in those languages but that's not nearly most code
(DIR) Post #AcdTeVTQpdryvetsrg by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:28:34.570518Z
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Currently they can’t even write code much less debug it. I use GitHub Copilot and it’s basically just a really sophisticated autocomplete. It’s cool but it isn’t replacing me
(DIR) Post #AcdTfWaiAA7sgTn5SS by fantasia@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-09T14:27:04.980532Z
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@NEETzsche @mischievoustomato @rees @sysrq @Moon There's a new c++ compiler in development but it's still closed source https://github.com/seanbaxter/circleThere's the "fast" c compilers like chibcc, tcc, cproc, lcc, but neither of them have the same capabilities or codegen like GCC and LLVM.
(DIR) Post #AcdTfXQp2PoHI6AhgO by sysrq@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-09T14:28:46.799599Z
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@fantasia @mischievoustomato @rees @NEETzsche @Moon >There's a new c++ compilerGod, when will it end? :facesofautism:
(DIR) Post #AcdTgPdRVhzVOsUXqq by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:28:54.499063Z
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So what you’re saying is ChatGPT works for non-meme languages :anintellectual:
(DIR) Post #AcdTh0fVoydCG0kDiK by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:29:04.876719Z
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@Moon @feld @NEETzsche @rees And in those cases you can probably just ask on fedi and get an answer soon enough.Or, y'know, read docs/source.
(DIR) Post #AcdThUvrIlX47OchMG by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:29:08.318452Z
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@NEETzsche @feld @rees @Zerglingman yes
(DIR) Post #AcdTivLmZ6YaLHQdyy by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:29:24.952362Z
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@fantasia @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon LLMs already can correct code/logic errors, what you mean to say is "until they can be more consistent"
(DIR) Post #AcdTkrLaQ5haVQGBKy by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:29:45.027696Z
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@Zerglingman @feld @rees @NEETzsche I only use it for things that don't have good docs
(DIR) Post #AcdTpGJDYR1F58Fe2y by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:30:32.696548Z
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@Zerglingman @feld @rees @NEETzsche also I work with elixir experts but I don't want to bug them all day
(DIR) Post #AcdTpJ8L3L6DqGBV0S by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:30:30.577031Z
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Tech spergs are great because they will educate you without charging a dime but make a point to be condescending throughout to deter stupid questions
(DIR) Post #AcdTqa21i9zUXYq4dU by fantasia@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-09T14:30:48.054410Z
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@rees @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon This is high school level shit, it's been documented to death on the internet.I'd like to see it handle something more advanced
(DIR) Post #AcdTvdbdqhSV4euR6W by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:31:39.755153Z
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That’s the thing. Everybody uses Midjanny and SD and LLMs for throwaway shit but getting it to write anything longform or to consider greater context is a wash. LLMs require a lot of guidance and wrangling. Source: I work with them professionally.
(DIR) Post #AcdTxDfxEF8dEPgGQq by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:32:00.201963Z
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@fantasia @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon lol ok so wait literally two years
(DIR) Post #AcdTz7YawtMgpl93LM by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:32:19.867698Z
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So what you sayin is erryboody getting automated away an sheit
(DIR) Post #AcdU1zxvd7OU9sMnXk by FrailLeaf@ryona.agency
2023-12-09T14:32:40.213421Z
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@fantasia @feld @rees @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon LLMs can't replace programmers only for the simple fact that 99.99% of the corporate code is written to be broken at the slightest shift in logic and the horror is spread across multiple systems
(DIR) Post #AcdU3M9sbSrhHGbWpk by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:33:05.447186Z
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@NEETzsche @feld @fantasia @Zerglingman @Moon i'm fully convinced
(DIR) Post #AcdU4jdEoZr2MvzftY by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:33:22.113651Z
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@FrailLeaf @rees @feld @NEETzsche @Moon @fantasia Just rewrite it ofc
(DIR) Post #AcdU53qNfQFd3UIS9o by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-12-09T14:33:09Z
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> programming is on its way outWhatever you have to tell yourself so you can sleep at night.:ss_shrug:
(DIR) Post #AcdU7IgbSG1NfPn6iO by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:33:49.584687Z
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@FrailLeaf @feld @fantasia @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon infinite context windows are already a thing
(DIR) Post #AcdU8muyXUBNidDstE by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:34:05.705128Z
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@teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon I have been programming since I was 8, sounds like you are coping
(DIR) Post #AcdU98swrhdJqiRZmi by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:34:05.224016Z
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Tell me more senpai
(DIR) Post #AcdUA2wQRxglhiV8ym by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-12-09T14:34:16.539766Z
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@FrailLeaf @feld @rees @fantasia @Zerglingman @NEETzsche LLMs can code specific problems you give them but I haven't seen any evidence at all that they can design complete software. however, in big companies design is a distinct job from programming so programmers may be toast in ten years.
(DIR) Post #AcdUAGlx1hd2bHhyb2 by fantasia@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-09T14:34:19.807228Z
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@Zerglingman @feld @rees @NEETzsche @FrailLeaf @Moon then what's the point of LLM
(DIR) Post #AcdUAjxIWaw76sEwoC by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:33:46.797981Z
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I’m not. I’m convinced they will just make everybody use the LLMs instead. Automation consistently increases wealth, and disruptions are temporary.
(DIR) Post #AcdUCb4iVqCa9Bazq4 by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-12-09T14:34:37Z
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Just don't come to me and expect that I will clean up after your LLM "programming" when it shits the bed.
(DIR) Post #AcdUE6nc34NCpMJfEG by FrailLeaf@ryona.agency
2023-12-09T14:34:52.591220Z
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@Zerglingman @feld @rees @fantasia @NEETzsche @Moon tfw LLM asks you to abandon your business
(DIR) Post #AcdUFBHgrHeH1ktcH2 by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:35:14.825702Z
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@NEETzsche @feld @fantasia @Zerglingman @FrailLeaf @Moon https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.01889https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.08560https://syncedreview.com/2021/09/09/deepmind-podracer-tpu-based-rl-frameworks-deliver-exceptional-performance-at-low-cost-100/
(DIR) Post #AcdUFYerxGr7WIux60 by FrailLeaf@ryona.agency
2023-12-09T14:35:07.532570Z
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@rees @feld @fantasia @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon what's that
(DIR) Post #AcdUHVzcpqM3piYjkO by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:35:34.673805Z
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I use LLM “programming” and then fix it up a bit. It’s like 80% correct most of the time and it’s still faster than having to do it yourself. I don’t think it will automate my job away because I still have to know what to change. But it does make that job a lot easier.
(DIR) Post #AcdULbrwvh8ZDSvC2y by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:36:21.531199Z
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What’s what? A context window?
(DIR) Post #AcdUOOwBSwJlyhEWAK by FrailLeaf@ryona.agency
2023-12-09T14:36:43.362285Z
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@NEETzsche @feld @rees @fantasia @Zerglingman @Moon yeah
(DIR) Post #AcdUP77NChPd08o4iO by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-12-09T14:36:53Z
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I've been programming for 26 years. Writing good programs is extremely difficult. The LLMs are interesting toys, but I've yet to see anything that says they can replace a person with an IQ over room temperature. Check back in 10 years.
(DIR) Post #AcdUR0a8TYwHJEACI4 by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:37:22.781646Z
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@teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon >Writing good programs is extremely difficultno it isn't
(DIR) Post #AcdURY8fiBAlNtZkCe by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:37:26.445406Z
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It’s how much information an LLM like GPT-4 can process at a given time. Ever notice how ChatGPT has goldfish brain, forgets things? You’re hitting the limits of its context window.
(DIR) Post #AcdUUnCWASgCy1v9bU by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-12-09T14:37:55Z
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This is more likely where things will end up. LLM takes care of the boilerplate and the programmer handles the difficult bits.
(DIR) Post #AcdUYRuHHTy85C8IBk by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-12-09T14:38:33Z
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It writing good programs is easy, why is so much software crap?
(DIR) Post #AcdUYnTR5xZOyJkAPA by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:38:47.768008Z
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@teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon until 2 years later lol
(DIR) Post #AcdUarVf3pPC4Hlke0 by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:39:09.961957Z
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@teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon because humans are idiots, duh
(DIR) Post #AcdUcMN1o4l64RRfbE by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:39:22.734780Z
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What it’s going to do is automate away a very specific kind of entry level programmer from India who can’t do fizzbuzz but can pass those certification tests. Which is most people with job titles like “Software Engineer” anyway. So there will be job loss, but I doubt it’s going to get rid of people who actually build things. That requires vision, and LLMs are notoriously robotic for obvious reasons
(DIR) Post #AcdUcwyViC8Db7G71M by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:39:33.136439Z
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@fantasia @rees @feld @NEETzsche @Moon @FrailLeaf Why are you asking me?They're fun toys, and in some specific contexts they can even be useful. Programming, overall, is far too wide of a space for them to handle, and probably always will be, until they reach something approaching the Totally Randomly Evolved™ complexity of a human. (And then we can start working on cutting down the resources required to run them from being several orders of magnitude more than a human!) In the meantime we're more likely to see some specific subsets being targeted and automated. I can't predict what those subsets will be.
(DIR) Post #AcdUgVQ66Qv1INrFZ2 by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:40:11.692079Z
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@rees @feld @NEETzsche @Moon @teknomunk Go and do it then instead of posting retarded opinions on fedi.
(DIR) Post #AcdUiyorlcdp3Vcgue by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:40:37.709172Z
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@Zerglingman @teknomunk @feld @NEETzsche @Moon do what
(DIR) Post #AcdUjukyMFzOkEFOtc by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-12-09T14:40:37Z
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I doubt you are that good of a programmer, with how dismissive you are of the discipline.
(DIR) Post #AcdUkowbSCZD0W7Tnc by fantasia@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-09T14:40:58.250705Z
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@Zerglingman @feld @rees @NEETzsche @FrailLeaf @Moon We've had machine language translation for decades and they still struggle to get it right. Like translator sites, LLMs will be useful for low hanging fruit but someone will always be needed to handle the harder tasks
(DIR) Post #AcdUlFmxe9tgGQof1E by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-12-09T14:40:57Z
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Write good programs.
(DIR) Post #AcdUlp2Qae47aXK0UC by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:41:08.961214Z
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@teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon I do...
(DIR) Post #AcdUm9JTCza6TBRtpI by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:41:12.905531Z
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@rees @teknomunk @feld @NEETzsche @Moon Go write good programs.
(DIR) Post #AcdUnGVDxmyx3cTlE8 by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:41:24.584901Z
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@teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon k lol
(DIR) Post #AcdUp5I0cmYOrMAIoi by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:41:44.728767Z
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@rees @feld @NEETzsche @Moon @teknomunk Go do more of it, since it's so easy.
(DIR) Post #AcdUqCWbD2DtaaWQdc by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-12-09T14:41:39Z
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:doubt:
(DIR) Post #AcdUsRPIqdyiKDB440 by FrailLeaf@ryona.agency
2023-12-09T14:42:08.489201Z
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@NEETzsche @feld @rees @fantasia @Zerglingman @Moon that sounds amazing, but I wonder if it spews even more funnier bullshit
(DIR) Post #AcdUuGDrP2y4DRh1Ps by FrailLeaf@ryona.agency
2023-12-09T14:42:35.842216Z
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@fantasia @feld @rees @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon what are some harder tasks you can think of?
(DIR) Post #AcdUuLbnNU5Iv7vhuy by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:42:41.804493Z
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@teknomunk @feld @NEETzsche @Moon @rees In fact, go save us from bad progams forever; go write ALL the good programs, solve ALL the problems. Since it's so easy, you should be able to do that much.
(DIR) Post #AcdUzaIuAV5Dweai5w by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-12-09T14:43:32Z
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While you are at it, let us know if P = NP, and the solution to the halting problem.
(DIR) Post #AcdV4BzI0HKRydc5E8 by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:44:28.048129Z
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@Zerglingman @teknomunk @feld @NEETzsche @Moon I've lost a lot of passion for programming because it's started to feel like manual labor. paraphrasing elon here but he said something like "I lie awake at night sometimes wondering why I am working so hard when AI will be able to do it for me"
(DIR) Post #AcdV9QR9hy8OEt8ue0 by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:45:25.300283Z
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@rees @teknomunk @feld @NEETzsche @Moon But you've been programming since you were 8??? Surely you should have solved all the bad programs by now????
(DIR) Post #AcdVCaE9lSCDTKZIau by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:45:58.741642Z
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@Zerglingman @teknomunk @feld @NEETzsche @Moon stop getting emotional
(DIR) Post #AcdVCqOJfRpVbTRdeS by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:45:57.107686Z
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Write a Ruby/Python script that downloads random GitHub projects, tells GPT-4 to fix them, and submits pull requests with whatever garbage it returns. Make sure to use your real name on these PRs so they know you fixed their shit and are a prolific computer programming genius
(DIR) Post #AcdVIPfxuJwMU7M6Yi by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:47:02.144507Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon @feld @teknomunk @rees That actually sounds like fun. A good use of the chatbot toy.
(DIR) Post #AcdVJVHAZWVi8uHGLo by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:47:14.184590Z
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@NEETzsche @teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @Moon microsoft was a fucking genius for acquiring github lol. what an amazing dataset for having PR and commit messages attached to code changelogs
(DIR) Post #AcdVJar9p9GhRy9Zdg by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:47:11.609105Z
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Actually, doing this might be really funny way to embarrass OpenAI if I just call it GPT-PR or something like that and let it go hogwild.
(DIR) Post #AcdVMhAGpIdjsqZY5Q by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:47:49.177688Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon @feld @teknomunk @rees Yeah exactly, you'll end up causing a "no GPT" policy to spread, which I see as a win.
(DIR) Post #AcdVZtm9FayolCaLh2 by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:50:08.122412Z
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I will also get to dunk on “clean code” faggots because it will take everybody’s batshit spaghetti code that works and return beautifully-formatted and well-organized professional code that doesn’t.
(DIR) Post #AcdVf5IromstxdMVl2 by fantasia@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-09T14:51:08.195085Z
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@FrailLeaf @feld @rees @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon First would be anything niche. There are a billion guides on how to build a site with React, it follows LLMs will be good with web dev stuff. When it's something niche (there are a million niche fields) that's where they falter; there is relatively less text regarding the topic. Second would be anything low level (hardware, embedded, operating systems, compilers, databases). They require debugging on a level an LLM will probably never do. What if the hardware has a hidden bug, or the CPU has undocumented behavior? What if there's a miscompilation? If you write an optimized ASM routine it still has to be tested on real hardware.
(DIR) Post #AcdVjG7TXsfKfJ1ZSa by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-12-09T14:51:17Z
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You are again assuming that code is easy and that the PRs and commit messages generally contain useful information instead of things like "fixed a bug" and "initial commit".
(DIR) Post #AcdVqWFrx8lIjePd1E by sysrq@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-09T14:53:10.255965Z
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@rees @teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon >"I've lost a lot of passion for programming because it's started to feel like manual labor."Who could've foresaw that programming involved actual work.
(DIR) Post #AcdVy4W0yJkp1FZ89w by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:54:34.494054Z
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@teknomunk @Moon @NEETzsche @feld @rees ... I'm in this post and I don't like it
(DIR) Post #AcdVyKI4Jw6bwdADdw by FrailLeaf@ryona.agency
2023-12-09T14:54:23.888334Z
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@fantasia @feld @rees @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon this makes me question the possibility of having LLM hooked into your infra and have it generate some boiler plate for you. You build on top of it, it learns from your work & can now potentially debug it for you (?). This means that you tailor the LLM to your infra and I can only imagine the cost of that
(DIR) Post #AcdWAAihjFXdjnGr44 by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:56:35.533486Z
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Fine-tuning isn’t even that hard or terribly expensive. And depending on your definition of fine-tuning (there are several) it can include things like using embeddings
(DIR) Post #AcdWCyEEd0YZrgLyjI by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T14:57:12.397954Z
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Anybody who actually tries to build anything is in this post.
(DIR) Post #AcdWMgCcVGxkr0EBn6 by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T14:59:00.381964Z
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@NEETzsche @Moon @rees @feld @teknomunk Real commit history:>lol forgot to update this for ages>I don't need that anymore>Still splitting matrix out from corelib>lol>I don't know what I'm doing here>lol gitignore doesn't appear in a star>init commit 2 (no token)
(DIR) Post #AcdWOijG55wBGiT29o by FrailLeaf@ryona.agency
2023-12-09T14:59:17.204120Z
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@NEETzsche @feld @rees @fantasia @Zerglingman @Moon does fine-tuning improve how better it can think?
(DIR) Post #AcdWQ5PLFPVltYnpPk by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T14:59:37.767417Z
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@sysrq @teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon lol programming is typically a higher order pleasure, i.e. it's a puzzle solving exercise. if I wanted the pleasure of digging a ditch I would go dig a ditch
(DIR) Post #AcdWTQKBw3O5dWz8cq by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T15:00:08.878545Z
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Sometimes. Fine-tuning and training generative AIs is more art than science. It can make the performance worse if you do it wrong
(DIR) Post #AcdWVVPI0j7ByhMWyu by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T15:00:37.024976Z
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@rees @teknomunk @feld @NEETzsche @Moon @sysrq And here comes the cope.
(DIR) Post #AcdWYQzis8nzA6ngOm by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T15:01:03.355849Z
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(DIR) Post #AcdWZGMVtAL4TYr6VE by sysrq@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-09T15:01:15.821592Z
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@rees @teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon What a load of bullshit.
(DIR) Post #AcdWeBxFhdx6FpOFc0 by sysrq@lab.nyanide.com
2023-12-09T15:02:02.332891Z
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@Zerglingman @teknomunk @feld @rees @NEETzsche @Moon git commit -m "I forgot."
(DIR) Post #AcdWgIMErrBOgy52bg by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-12-09T15:02:29Z
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@Zerglingman @feld @rees @NEETzsche @Moon my favorite is "checkpointing work".
(DIR) Post #AcdWkrN4d90KRVeChM by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T15:03:18.223548Z
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WIP: New Feature / Big Fixes
(DIR) Post #AcdWmPrtr8hhiuoB4i by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T15:03:39.718538Z
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@NEETzsche @teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @Moon any decent system accounts for noise
(DIR) Post #AcdWtFujGStssTOQLo by FrailLeaf@ryona.agency
2023-12-09T15:04:43.662397Z
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@NEETzsche @feld @rees @fantasia @Zerglingman @Moon I am eager to see a clinically depressed LLM, i'd be such a cool art project
(DIR) Post #AcdX61QIS79LhRFIsC by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-12-09T15:07:12.988481Z
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@FrailLeaf @rees @feld @fantasia @Moon @NEETzsche YOU'D BETTER FUCKING CALL IT MARVIN
(DIR) Post #AcdXGvXQfmWSdJmXqK by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T15:09:04.529052Z
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I wrote a separate ANSI art script that takes the JSON character sheets that Sheetposter generates by going back-and-forth with GPT-4, transforming the prompts to accommodate the range of legal choices based on previous context, and dumps it out. On the left, the code, and on the right, the code. It’s spaghetti garbage, with zero apology. It just werks, bich niga.
(DIR) Post #AcdXZcmkcUR5ySre8O by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T15:12:33.513514Z
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@NEETzsche @teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @Moon the right is super cool. have you looked at the ACE framework? they are using layered LLMs to provide maslow needshttps://github.com/daveshap/ACE_Framework
(DIR) Post #AcdXoyRkMlIRV0MJZA by FourOh-LLC@pkteerium.xyz
2023-12-09T15:15:18.880382Z
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I tested GPT 3.5 with HTML5 and its blows.. How much better GPT-4 is at scripting for the browser?
(DIR) Post #AcdXrtKvoyOMWHYvZY by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T15:15:47.923524Z
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No. I did Sheetposter to see if I can take GPT-4 through a complicated process. I would characterize what I did with it “prompt engineering” unironically not because anything I did is impossible or anything, but because I literally made it transform the prompt based on previous choices in the chargen process. For example, it submits to GPT-4 the list of choices you can make when you’re choosing, say, Gifts or Rotes, but it filters out the ones where the sheet so far doesn’t meet the prerequisites. It also provides simple descriptions of them in the prompt to give it context, alongside the partial sheet that’s been made.If GPT-4 can, with this kind of guidance, navigate TTRPG chargen, it can navigate the tax code or something similar.
(DIR) Post #AcdY5rZlAGob739zuq by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T15:18:22.866699Z
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@NEETzsche @teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @Moon >it can navigate the tax code or something similar.oh yeah, AI is already starting to negotiate contracts autonomouslyhttps://mashable.com/article/ai-successfully-negotiated-legal-contract-without-human-help
(DIR) Post #AcdYGnXOWDmLm3GgMK by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T15:20:18.227060Z
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Yeah but for now it’s going to automate some of my elfgame bullshit.
(DIR) Post #AcdYKtffelJzxH5sWW by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T15:21:03.732018Z
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@NEETzsche @teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @Moon get some 4090s :meowEyes:
(DIR) Post #AcdYX04PgskZHCREDQ by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T15:23:13.699915Z
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I’m literally just hitting the GPT-4 API for this. Locally-run LLMs right now are dog shit, but because of the kind of people who work on them, they will get there… eventually. All the /g/ spergs are into them so they can have ERP LLMs and to make them say nigger. It’s just another case where ZOG will be humiliated by a food stamp recipient who wants to be mommy dommed by his computer.
(DIR) Post #AcdZxxWnLnMxAH8Gcy by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T15:39:22.094028Z
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@NEETzsche @teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @Moon I just want amd to stop breaking my opencl
(DIR) Post #AcdaIKgMyMTqliKFOq by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-12-09T15:42:56.472422Z
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One thing I noticed tech spergs are guilty of is they have all this expensive hardware and equipment and shit and then they don’t actually use it for anything. Spend a small fortune in hardware, use it to host a NAS server for pirated animes and to shitpost on fedi.
(DIR) Post #AcdadJ587QivsxuNTk by rees@breastmilk.club
2023-12-09T15:46:50.217493Z
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@NEETzsche @teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @Moon I still don't understand what people use rasp pis for lmao
(DIR) Post #Acdh44jMBRsKv5s65o by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2023-12-09T16:58:54.234877Z
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@rees @sysrq @teknomunk @feld @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Moon if that's your approach to programming you're either not writing anything complicated, or you're not productive
(DIR) Post #Acdopjpbt9wvgJTGMa by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-12-09T18:25:12Z
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@deprecated_ii @feld @rees @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @sysrq @Moon Sounds like an amateur programmer, in the sense that he isn't programming for pay.There's nothing wrong with that, but people do this for a living, and we have a different view of the matter.When I look at what I need to get done, and then look at the "AI" tools available, I just open my text editor and get to work.