Post AcbSvcF6Qj8yZhsADI by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
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(DIR) Post #AcZzvYSDQLqAzpfH84 by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T21:45:33.054307Z
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@vkc @ioletsgo that isnt what i am saying. i am saying GOOD proprietary vendors already support linux. the dogshit ones never will because they are so low quality and that's okay.
(DIR) Post #Aca2q9f8TGEkWMpCIi by ioletsgo@wetdry.world
2023-12-07T21:33:07Z
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@vkc a lot of people rely on workflows that just, don't exist on linux.I'm always saying that Linux's biggest falling starts at proprietary software, which a massive majority of professionals rely on at a more than regular basis.It'd be like forcing a man who hunts for a living to only use a pistol. Sure, he can make it work, but it's probably not gonna be enjoyable.
(DIR) Post #Aca2qAi0a483lZB0Pw by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T21:35:57.550274Z
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@ioletsgo @vkc there is plenty of things like that which run on linux, just none of the dogshit ones that no one advocates the use of like anything made by adobe
(DIR) Post #Aca2qC8zFFIsDWo46i by ThatOneSeong@mstdn.games
2023-12-07T22:36:27Z
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@jeff @vkc @ioletsgo It took me, a small content creator with no working commitments, a year to switch from another video making software to Davinci Resolve to start using Linux comfortably.That's not just potentially the price of another thing you have to buy, but also who-knows-how-much muscle memory that gets thrown out the window. How much lost productivity would that be for an any more serious creator?At that point, it's not even about the OS - it's humans and our habit-driven lives.
(DIR) Post #Aca2qDipNTZD6yaCbw by ioletsgo@wetdry.world
2023-12-07T22:37:40Z
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@ThatOneSeong @jeff @vkc a year to take to switch could easily be several thousand dollars lost for a big production.
(DIR) Post #Aca2qFJNT4Oi2cguDg by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T22:43:44.190469Z
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@ioletsgo @ThatOneSeong @vkc except it's not because EVERYONE already knows how to use it as it is the industry standard and always has been
(DIR) Post #Aca36iuZBTo0TcwWR6 by ThatOneSeong@mstdn.games
2023-12-07T22:41:14Z
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@ioletsgo @jeff @vkc And that's *assuming* it takes a year to adjust to the new layout and different features to get a similar quality of output.I, for one, am all for having apps available, whether I personally use them or not. If that means Adobe, well... I can say I don't agree with the company or its ethos, but there's much less friction if you have something familiar to cling into when switching.Case and point; I still use Foobar2000 for some music library mgmt (through Wine, obvi).
(DIR) Post #Aca36m1lbALc8pKoZk by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T22:46:47.301234Z
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@ThatOneSeong @ioletsgo @vkc this lie that adobe is an industry standard needs to stop tbh. it's a marketing tactic they use and is parroted out of spite by those who are locked into it. "the industry" doesn't actually use adobe, those who want to be in the industry do.
(DIR) Post #Aca3X2WuriaqqsQg9Q by ThatOneSeong@mstdn.games
2023-12-07T22:49:29Z
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@jeff @vkc @ioletsgo uhCool?People still use it tho. Why are we gatekeeping the ability to create behind one or two pieces of software?Literally no better than the "just use Windows" argument I've heard time and again.
(DIR) Post #Aca3X3IQ16ahECecC0 by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T22:51:34.429424Z
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@ThatOneSeong @vkc @ioletsgo people also still use windows, this isn't gatekeeping. the underlying point is that vendor support is here and desktop linux already is usable for profession workflows (except if you do audio ;_;). stop giving adobe free marketing by saying people use it tbh.
(DIR) Post #Aca536gT3XVQxLkeiu by ThatOneSeong@mstdn.games
2023-12-07T23:03:36Z
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@jeff And just like people still use Windows, people still use Premiere.It's not free marketing to state the thing that a lot of people already subconsciously know about - but fineIf it's not Adobe, then Vegas/Hitfilm/Final Cut/Filmora/others also don't have support: same thing still applies.Let people use what they want to use, is all that really should be advocated for. The more people have to change their habits and routines beyond what they're comfortable with, the harder it is to switch
(DIR) Post #Aca537jh91gKDeGkOO by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T23:08:34.123314Z
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@ThatOneSeong adobe has scammed those aspiring to be in the creative industry countless times by getting people to say "but it's an industry standard". keep in mind, "let people use what they want" isn't an option when you have a job. adobe subsists of the network effect of the naive and the young who fell for their marketing and get locked into it.
(DIR) Post #Aca6GXccJSPwDmv7YG by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T23:22:13.223147Z
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@ThatOneSeong like jfc does adobe even have colorgrading?
(DIR) Post #Aca70vDCwAxehp9REe by ThatOneSeong@mstdn.games
2023-12-07T23:29:28Z
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@jeff I don't see how that has any bearing on what other people do.Especially if it's just people making videos on the internet. Many more successful people have gone with Adobe products and came out juuuuust fine.And I'm not going to judge. Especially since I never said the word "standard" in this thread at all - because this has nothing to do with Adobe specifically, but is about *any* proprietary application that isn't provided on Linux.
(DIR) Post #Aca70wAPO4JffQqiVk by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T23:30:36.257220Z
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@ThatOneSeong you've lost the main point. linux is for professional workflows and the only people who hate to admit this are the adobephiles.
(DIR) Post #Aca7SbLiNdNpD8KSjg by cienmilojos@infosec.exchange
2023-12-07T21:23:15Z
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@vkc @TechConnectify yes. Linux is like owning your computer instead of it owning you.
(DIR) Post #Aca7ScOEVkzYREVzIe by 7666@comp.lain.la
2023-12-07T23:35:46.628350Z
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@cienmilojos @vkc @TechConnectify if corporations gave a shit about this they wouldn't have moved to the cloud in droves
(DIR) Post #Aca7lMqmVkGfkGoC7k by ThatOneSeong@mstdn.games
2023-12-07T23:34:29Z
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@jeff not according to the OP was that the point at all.As far as I saw, this was just interjection with someone else's subjective views on what they considered "real" productivity, which...Another +1 for gatekeeping, ig.If that's the case that Linux is for 'professional' workflows, then fuck me, I guess I'm in the wrong OS.
(DIR) Post #Aca7lSVNUEiDHcqBay by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T23:38:58.200395Z
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@ThatOneSeong if you want to use your favorite applications on your favorite os go ahead. i just want fuckwad youtube muppets to stop saying linux isn't good for professional workflows and then claim i am gatekeeping for shit, that's what all these fuckwad youtube muppets aspire to be and profit at it too.
(DIR) Post #AcbEGARDVHG96pseky by ioletsgo@wetdry.world
2023-12-07T21:38:31Z
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@jeff @vkc like it or not, its the industry standard, and people rely on adobe products to get their work done.I don't think its productive to pass off their valid concerns about workflow as "using dogshit applications"
(DIR) Post #AcbEGBSfhM18HdZKfA by lewiscowles1986@phpc.social
2023-12-08T08:04:33Z
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@ioletsgo @jeff @vkc But you do think it's valid to include hunters desires... everyone has their bar.Have you ever thought about the features you actually use from Adobe, and if you need them, or would just need to work out another way?
(DIR) Post #AcbMmjVvQVyqnN7eLo by ioletsgo@wetdry.world
2023-12-08T13:43:45Z
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@jeff @vkc @ThatOneSeong they're not gonna lose money, but YOU will.Do you really want to stop all production for an entire year just so you don't have to deal with Adobe's crap?Many would say no.
(DIR) Post #AcbMmkPw4Gmdb5KNea by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-08T14:01:57.988773Z
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@ioletsgo @vkc @ThatOneSeong and there it is, adobe's marketing pitch with the appeal to the network effect.i use davinci resolve on linux. i did not have this problem and i will say this: no one should have to fall for it either, those who know better will tell you not to use adobe. those who don't are just coping with a bad decision.
(DIR) Post #AcbN4QaoVui1KCqXlw by itsjustdj@social.linux.pizza
2023-12-08T02:02:50Z
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@jeff @vkc @ThatOneSeong @ioletsgo I worked in animation, graphic design, and illustration for 30 years. Adobe is the industry standard. Whether or not that’s a good thing is debatable, but to industry professionals it’s the truth.
(DIR) Post #AcbN4RkQDfzMuILjO4 by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-08T14:05:11.221493Z
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@itsjustdj @vkc @ThatOneSeong @ioletsgo it's the industry standard when you work in the industry of selling adobe. it's a bad thing and no one who knows better should advocate its use when better vendors exist and give you objectively superior tools.
(DIR) Post #AcbN7wM8sIVMhpeuAa by ioletsgo@wetdry.world
2023-12-08T14:04:34Z
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@jeff @vkc @ThatOneSeong you're a fool if you don't understand how muscle memory can greatly impact a person's workflow, it isn't "coping with a bad decision", its a decision they made and they have to live with it less their productivity takes a massive decline and they get fired from their job.People rely on these products for MONEY, to pay for their FOOD and shit.
(DIR) Post #AcbN7xG9W3J9VXrdTM by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-08T14:05:50.891767Z
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@ioletsgo @vkc @ThatOneSeong oh no, i do understand. this is why i am telling new people to use resolve and avoid adobe at all costs.
(DIR) Post #AcbNEAqzsyXZPJ3zqy by ioletsgo@wetdry.world
2023-12-08T14:06:26Z
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@jeff @vkc @ThatOneSeong @itsjustdj Adobe has almost complete control over the education space, that makes them the industry standard kinda by default.
(DIR) Post #AcbNEBqgBdseUbvFzs by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-08T14:06:53.542827Z
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@ioletsgo @vkc @ThatOneSeong @itsjustdj that's indeed the problem, cope
(DIR) Post #AcbNMWHo5IB6CAaCv2 by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-08T14:08:29.186400Z
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@ioletsgo @ThatOneSeong @itsjustdj @vkc shit company who makes shit products impose it onto those who are learning to lock them in and make them dependant. a vile practice, they aren't your friends stop defending then.
(DIR) Post #AcbNZdnTTFZzFoeTeS by ioletsgo@wetdry.world
2023-12-08T14:10:14Z
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@jeff @vkc @ThatOneSeong @itsjustdj i never said it wasn't a scummy practice, I'm just saying that's what they do.
(DIR) Post #AcbNZea2YgQZgRNGLo by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-08T14:10:51.163103Z
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@ioletsgo @vkc @ThatOneSeong @itsjustdj i know, that's called cope.
(DIR) Post #AcbNbY4vhdei67j5F2 by ioletsgo@wetdry.world
2023-12-08T14:09:38Z
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@jeff @vkc @ThatOneSeong @itsjustdj the first step would be to 1. Make software that's better than the adobe standard (if i hear 1 more person suggest gimp over photoshop i'm gonna scream, and I use gimp on a regular basis), and have that software take over education spaces. That's the first step for preventative measures, instead of yelling on the street at Adobe Boulevard yelling "Switch To Gimp!"
(DIR) Post #AcbNbYxARz2aoL6OmW by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-08T14:11:09.565328Z
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@ioletsgo @vkc @ThatOneSeong @itsjustdj i am not saying you foss you dolt.
(DIR) Post #AcbNuz4DaI4nIrf1vc by ioletsgo@wetdry.world
2023-12-08T14:12:16Z
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@jeff @vkc @ThatOneSeong @itsjustdj it feels like that one xqc clip where a guy just yells "BRO CAN YOU SPEAK ENGLISH?" cause holy shit what the fuck are you even saying
(DIR) Post #AcbNuzjL7OyBMOts1Y by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-08T14:14:41.976085Z
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@ioletsgo @vkc @ThatOneSeong @itsjustdj the proprietary vendors who make GOOD products already support linux as an end user target BECAUSE they actually give a shit about making GOOD products. that is my underlying point. FUCK adobe their products are GARBAGE, they dont care about it even on their supported platforms.this LIE that adobe keeps linux back is total cope from those who got scammed by them.
(DIR) Post #AcbNyp5sbeoxWwGiYq by ThatOneSeong@mstdn.games
2023-12-08T14:14:50Z
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@ioletsgo @jeff If y'all are having this thing, could you at least untag me?
(DIR) Post #AcbQjHWtPnkWx2BVs8 by eric@pl.starnix.network
2023-12-08T14:42:31.730461Z
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@jeff @vkc @ThatOneSeong @itsjustdj @ioletsgo I use Adobe software because there are no good alternatives to Lightroom (RIP Apple Aperture). But I think Adobe is only successful today because Adobe allowed people to pirate their stuff (they even released CS2 at one point for free essentially). There were some really compelling competitors to Adobe software in the 90s or early 00s but they either couldn't outrun their userbase or simply acquired by Adobe (a hugh chonk of Adobe software is acquired from other companies).And speaking of which, and this is a document I keep coming back to https://drive.google.com/file/d/15b-4GMTSEE9tyqeQdBfy_LZnxQIdp38Y/
(DIR) Post #AcbQjIaTTyD0EQrt5s by eric@pl.starnix.network
2023-12-08T14:44:38.576242Z
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@jeff @ThatOneSeong @ioletsgo @itsjustdj @vkc Speaking of which, Adobe is only successful in video because Apple released Final Cut Pro X. So Adobe is only successful in 2D graphics and photography.
(DIR) Post #AcbQuYA1v9nLiXrcmW by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-08T14:48:16.375503Z
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@eric @vkc @ThatOneSeong @itsjustdj @ioletsgo the ever shrinking relevance of adobe should be seen as a profound good, not something which holds linux back.
(DIR) Post #AcbRh2Z8BBzBusj7FA by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2023-12-08T14:57:10.185958Z
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@jeff @vkc @ThatOneSeong @ioletsgo "bro Macs are for creatives the tv told me so"
(DIR) Post #AcbStUzIQtf7UkTBtA by eric@pl.starnix.network
2023-12-08T14:53:24.962813Z
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@jeff @vkc @ThatOneSeong @itsjustdj @ioletsgo The thing is, Adobe will just acquire whatever company that's a threat to them, like what happened to Aldus, or Macromedia, or more recently, Figma
(DIR) Post #AcbStWaCVAmCRUkB3A by eric@pl.starnix.network
2023-12-08T14:57:27.372604Z
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@jeff @ThatOneSeong @ioletsgo @itsjustdj @vkc They even bought Substance for whatever reason, and it's the probably only Linux software on Desktop they maintain, and I kid you not, they even sell it on Steam and a perpetual license for it
(DIR) Post #AcbSvcF6Qj8yZhsADI by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-08T15:10:38.529507Z
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@eric @vkc @ThatOneSeong @itsjustdj @ioletsgo have you considered not giving up?