Post AcZWrxtF7YRFSK09r6 by menherahair@eientei.org
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(DIR) Post #AcZSqJOvlxR1m8mOiu by TechConnectify@mas.to
2023-12-07T15:58:30Z
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Oh my gosh I just figured it out.Okay, all you open source evangelist people: your knee-jerk reaction to come at people who are talking about a problem with whatever commercial software they use and suggest Your Favorite Alternatives™ is exactly like saying "why don't you just buy a house?" to someone complaining about their landlord.
(DIR) Post #AcZVM33sG41AH3BvUW by TechConnectify@mas.to
2023-12-07T16:02:58Z
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Actually, to borrow from @DoubleA, it's worse than that.It's like talking to someone who is in a crappy apartment as though they have the agency and skills to stake out a plot of land and build their own home.You have to be at peace with the fact that some people just want to exist and not worry about so many things. And they still have a right to complain about their situation.
(DIR) Post #AcZVM46OOBctV9NS3U by neclimdul@hachyderm.io
2023-12-07T16:17:29Z
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@TechConnectify @DoubleA I get that but I disagree.Someone else point out "but the house is free" tongue in cheek but they're right.One one had you've paying for for software, and getting a terrible experience for the benefit of using the same thing every one else is.On the other, you've got _free_ software, also has mixed experiences, but isn't used by the majority of people but generally has a lot of documentation and discussion online.
(DIR) Post #AcZVM5Fe7Gcf48iM7M by TechConnectify@mas.to
2023-12-07T16:19:31Z
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@neclimdul @DoubleA it's not actually free though. You are either using a bunch of people's labor without paying them anything, which okay. Sit with that for a bit.Or you're going to contribute to the project yourself in which case you are paying with your skills and time.I don't know what exactly it is with the free and open source software movement, but there's a lot of self-sufficiency mindset that honestly seems to go against society.
(DIR) Post #AcZVM6T9aX1OqK2eoK by breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm
2023-12-07T16:24:46.976132Z
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@TechConnectify @neclimdul @DoubleA And free software don’t even mean you don’t have to pay for it. It’s certainly rare, but you can sell a free software. And it can be the only way to get it (but you have to give the sources with the binary files to the buyer).
(DIR) Post #AcZVM7HqY3ZTNXl8pE by neclimdul@hachyderm.io
2023-12-07T16:22:50Z
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@TechConnectify @DoubleA to put it another way, a real world example.1) A family member with a system76. They seldom ask me for help, often finding help online, and have had to call tech support several times. They're afraid of updates because they sometime break their system.2) A family member with a dell. They often ask me for help, tech support doesn't exist, they can't find support online, also afraid of update.The experience is similar, one side the operating system was free.
(DIR) Post #AcZVM7ZDVTSwFPt0ts by TechConnectify@mas.to
2023-12-07T16:22:39Z
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@neclimdul @DoubleA and I'm not kidding when I say that. Society functions because of specialization in skills and divisions of labor.Yeah, I don't exactly like a corporation having a huge amount of power and influence. It's easy to go too far.But it's also not wrong to pay for things to get services in return. Because the people doing that work do in fact deserve pay, and a decent living to boot.The real issue, as ever, is power structures. Not the nuts and bolts of it.
(DIR) Post #AcZVM7bhMFS0N72zlg by breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm
2023-12-07T16:27:17.201316Z
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@TechConnectify @DoubleA @neclimdul If we're going to use the house comparison, it's like saying that we're obliged to give the plans to the person we're selling the house to, so that they can easily modify it, or rebuild it for someone else.(I admit I don't see how you can make the same comparison for a rental, though…)
(DIR) Post #AcZVSJB3FkIlzfX8Xw by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T16:29:46.303580Z
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@neclimdul @TechConnectify @DoubleA laptops running KDE and debian stable that comes with tech support needs to be a thing.
(DIR) Post #AcZWMJkYJLhVzCqVuq by Tsuki@amami.paradigm-x.tokyo
2023-12-07T16:40:04.968518Z
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I don't think spending some time reading instructions is really comparable to spending hundreds of thousands on a home. I don't think anyone is suggesting for normies to do something like Linux From Scratch
(DIR) Post #AcZWrxtF7YRFSK09r6 by menherahair@eientei.org
2023-12-07T16:45:44.505596Z
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@TechConnectify @DoubleA >It's like talking to someone who is in a crappy apartment as though they have the agency and skills to stake out a plot of land and build their own home.an emacs youtuber recently did just that so if you're smarter than a youtuber you're good to go t b h
(DIR) Post #AcZWuFRqoKtwUUHHsG by BoydStephenSmithJr@hachyderm.io
2023-12-07T16:44:07Z
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@jeff @neclimdul @TechConnectify @DoubleA I think System76 gets close. Pop!_OS definitely has a Debian lineage, though the default configuration and the System76 utilities are decidedly Gnome-flavored.That makes System76 hardware easier to deal with for the Debian KDE geek in your community. That geek will almost certainly install it as part of their value to the community, if you want.
(DIR) Post #AcZWuGGBnBAR0bpUKu by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T16:45:58.924995Z
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@BoydStephenSmithJr @neclimdul @TechConnectify @DoubleA they made ubuntu worse and ubuntu made debian worse.i'd honestly make a desktop brand of SECKSI ANIME GIRL PFP LOGO but on a computer box, have it run KDE with debian bookworm and sell a subscription for extended tech support with 1 year free.
(DIR) Post #AcZWye733DTO91e1qq by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T16:46:49.350076Z
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@BoydStephenSmithJr @DoubleA @TechConnectify @neclimdul this gives it brand agility and the ability to franchise the brand with a HUGE market of people who want beefy computer which does not break for streaming and gaming.
(DIR) Post #AcZX4Gl8n6JpS94xeq by menherahair@eientei.org
2023-12-07T16:48:01.205039Z
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@jeff @BoydStephenSmithJr @neclimdul @TechConnectify @DoubleA ability to franchise the brand with HUGE TITTIES
(DIR) Post #AcZXBu9cihx1f3AgzI by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T16:49:12.033811Z
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@menherahair @BoydStephenSmithJr @neclimdul @TechConnectify @DoubleA I WANT THIS OMFG. i have a pitch for this too, the default logo is censored with bar and is flat, you can pay for a PREMIUM one for 100bux more and get it embossed with black electrical tape across it that is removable.
(DIR) Post #AcZXOy2tYxrBUkFkxM by neclimdul@hachyderm.io
2023-12-07T16:50:48Z
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@jeff @BoydStephenSmithJr My feelings on Ubuntu/Pop are also nuanced. I hate their UI's but "worse" is pretty subjective. Debian suffers from a similar problem to RHEL that by the time a release comes out half the software is out of date. So... in a lot of ways Pop/Ubuntu are better.
(DIR) Post #AcZXOyv8JJF4Cxd4Uq by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T16:51:34.788242Z
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@neclimdul @BoydStephenSmithJr that stability is desirable for consumer grade users who have PTSD from windows updates. no one of the normal users will hate it, they'll LOVE it.
(DIR) Post #AcZXX62zhHP6d0Ax5E by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T16:53:02.549286Z
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@menherahair @BoydStephenSmithJr @DoubleA @TechConnectify @neclimdul then you have the logo that just is text for grandma too. the potential for brand growth is ABSOLUTELY HUGE like omfg.
(DIR) Post #AcZXibLPfwn0sbHEHY by neclimdul@hachyderm.io
2023-12-07T16:53:27Z
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@jeff @BoydStephenSmithJr love the stability, hate that they they're software has a bug fixed 3 years ago in the new version.
(DIR) Post #AcZXic1x7moj0XBCaW by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T16:55:05.780549Z
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@neclimdul @BoydStephenSmithJr they dont hate it as much as we do. you underestimate how much damage microsoft has inflicted onto normal people, they wont mind at all. it's like moving out of a house where you dad beats you every week and your wifebeaten mother defends him when you refuse to take the beatings like a good kid.
(DIR) Post #AcZXmdZvJMwSxzzLbk by BoydStephenSmithJr@hachyderm.io
2023-12-07T16:55:11Z
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@jeff @neclimdul I prefer Debian > Ubuntu > Pop!_OS, too but I don't think that ordering is universal/"objective".Ubuntu, for all its flaws, is still somehow more accessible for more people, and I think that's a good thing. In any case, I find it easier to use my skills to help them with their Ubuntu than with MacOS or MSWin.Pop!_OS... I think the results of that are less good, but if that's what it takes for "Granny" to get phone support from the manufacturer, w/e.
(DIR) Post #AcZXpx6z8yCCPu296O by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-12-07T16:56:25.395779Z
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@BoydStephenSmithJr @neclimdul i dont really have high hopes for canonical and this propagates too everyone upstream from them.
(DIR) Post #AcZZfZQ0Zyplwj6nho by TechConnectify@mas.to
2023-12-07T16:55:52Z
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@rl_dane and the whole point of this post, really, is to get people to sit with when advocacy is appropriate before starting it up.Because people really overdo it here. Every post is interpreted as a cry for help for someone, and it is so irritating.It hurts the movement, it does not help it. I'm telling you this from a place of respect for the movement itself, not antagonistically.
(DIR) Post #AcZZfaIFKKDeewU7FI by jaxter184@social.linux.pizza
2023-12-07T17:17:10Z
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@TechConnectify @RL_DaneAs a FOSS "evangelist", from my perspective, people complaining about the software offered by Big Tech is pretty frustrating and irritating.Despite advocating (perhaps poorly) for better foundational structures for building technology, people ignore us because they're "already used to it" or "it's more polished". While valid, it gives off mild "lepoards eating faces" energy. Though, in fairness, tech companies work very hard to hide their face-eating tendencies.
(DIR) Post #Aca6aGhAxFkVW5SWx6 by kjetil_kilhavn@snabelen.no
2023-12-07T20:13:15Z
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@TechConnectify @DoubleA For the past 20 years it's been possible to use free software without building anything from source code,. I'd say your analogy is from the previous millennium.Then again, there are those who would suggest their favourite alternative without mentioning that they also know how to solve whatever is being complained about. That is not a friendly attitude.And then, sometimes (or rather often) people just want to complain, they don't necessarily want to fix the problem.
(DIR) Post #AcaDM6LvJNJt41i6hE by didek@101010.pl
2023-12-08T00:41:52Z
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@TechConnectify @DoubleA Suggesting a switch to community-build alternative software is not suggesting to build an alternative software.The behavior of suggesting changing solutions instead of fixing the ones someone is already using is commonly present among any group with strong bias for some category of things.Some have this bias because of liking the brand, some because of the feel of being in the group and finally some because of moral and sociological sense.
(DIR) Post #AcaDZgDBIed22k60y8 by jason@logoff.website
2023-12-07T16:04:21Z
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@TechConnectify right. It’s a hobby, not a solution. Not everyone wants this hobby. None of them, to a close approximation, understand that.
(DIR) Post #AcaDZhRkhxsVsDvAJs by didek@101010.pl
2023-12-08T00:44:19Z
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@jason @TechConnectify How is it not a solution?
(DIR) Post #AcaEgr5LN1o9kSPoiO by didek@101010.pl
2023-12-08T00:56:49Z
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@TechConnectify @neclimdul @DoubleA Free and open source software is not about the quality, speed or price. The exact same program can be free (as in freedom) or not.Strongly recommend if you want to know the roots of the ideas:https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1AKIl_2GMHonestly I want to know your opinion. With the content you create, an idea to be able to take things apart and use them as you want should be close to you. Imagine not being able to open any case of devices and see how they work because of licences and obfuscation, something possible to much limit in digital space.