Post AcVUtcb4HYiZSGK55M by larma@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AcVQVXThGMYaoQ8V5k by daniel@gultsch.social
2023-12-05T17:15:40Z
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I don’t know what I was expecting but it looks more and more like the Messaging Interoperability the EU promised will be each gatekeeper essentially publishing their client to server protocol and then you can either use multi protocol messengers or transports. No s2s federation.Looks like one might be able to log in (through the propriety) c2s API with third party IDs though.
(DIR) Post #AcVQulOodnxDEBsgca by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2023-12-05T17:20:07Z
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@daniel if they are required to keep the API stable I think that'd still be pretty good.
(DIR) Post #AcVRMqmmCwam2fTuBE by daniel@gultsch.social
2023-12-05T17:25:18Z
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I guess that’s marginally better than what we have now.· Transports / multi protocol will be something that is official instead of something that is technically a TOS violation and just flying under the radar· You might be able to login to Signal with my-user@transport.example.com instead of +12105550103@signal.org so you don’t have to create a Signal account first. Or rather the transport provider can do that automatically for you.Signal is just an example. They are likely not a gate keeper
(DIR) Post #AcVRTf91t58Zxt8dSC by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2023-12-05T17:26:31Z
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@daniel are "gatekeepers" allowed to make incompatible chamges to the protocol every week?
(DIR) Post #AcVUtcb4HYiZSGK55M by larma@mastodon.social
2023-12-05T18:04:50Z
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@daniel I heard rumors that WhatsApp works on providing a s2s API, that only provides a subset of the features WhatsApp has, but enough to comply with DMA. Of course that isn't federation in the traditional sense and one has to register with them somehow to get access to that s2s API. Messages received with this s2s API are incompatible with normal WhatsApp messages and show up in a seperate section of the app (think green vs blue bubbles) that users can turn off.
(DIR) Post #AcVVxhKOjYkVEz27PM by daniel@gultsch.social
2023-12-05T18:16:47Z
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@larma I have no information on how messages that come from third party users will show up in the app. Might be that the rumors we are hearing are aligned in that regard.
(DIR) Post #AcVb8bKfrgpDbOBH60 by mazhe@mastodon.social
2023-12-05T19:14:45Z
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@daniel I've read a few communications (including official) in the past months and I thought "S2S", but there is not really strong definitions about this... The closest is that they state "interoperability with third-party *providers*" (so service providers? aka other chat networks?). A Q&A (https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/QANDA_20_2349) states however that such "providers" can request interoperability and they must provide access. Hope some big servers operators will open the path :)
(DIR) Post #AcVcHTnJMQZOmdNBlw by daniel@gultsch.social
2023-12-05T19:27:35Z
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@alex What I meant to say is that 'signal-transport-provider.example.com' can attest that alex@signal-transport-provider.example.com exists. It can auto create that user (or identity if you will) on your behalf.
(DIR) Post #AcVr3tUkVZz1kbfe9g by jack@mastodon.allnutt.net
2023-12-05T22:13:10Z
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@daniel I'm still holding out hope that MIMI can get some adoption.Matrix, Wire and Google are involved in the protocol design/standardisation effort so... 🤞.https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/mimi/about/
(DIR) Post #AcWv50tj42RDyU6Q6q by badrihippo@fosstodon.org
2023-12-06T10:32:55Z
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@daniel so basically it's time for Pidgin all over again?