Post AcVPo0qOie179F01GC by jhv@triangletoot.party
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(DIR) Post #AcVKBQrtWpk4nPU360 by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T16:03:51Z
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Great piece on the Cybertruck’s design… which distills every malign trend in US trucks: Massive weight, jacked-up height designed to lethally throw accident victims beneath it, noise baffling so perfect you can’t hear the outside worldCars are rolling buckets of externalities: They greatly improve the life of their riders, while making the lives of everyone *outside* them worse The Cybertruck is a tone poem to this impulse: https://usa.streetsblog.org/2023/12/02/how-to-build-a-car-that-kills-people-cybertruck-edition
(DIR) Post #AcVM8UCGtcNi9vjnJQ by bill0004@mas.to
2023-12-05T16:25:45Z
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@clive Man that's a really great peice.
(DIR) Post #AcVMEwITKl0x2ziOVk by rgarner@mastodon.social
2023-12-05T16:26:05Z
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@clive I'm sort of glad it exists, because when people roll their eyes and say "what's a *negative externality*?" I can just say "that"
(DIR) Post #AcVMN2z2MDLG6NUTYG by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T16:28:25Z
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@rgarner heh heh yeahIt is such a pure, sculptural expression of narcissism that, were it an art project, I would raise my hat in salute
(DIR) Post #AcVMVdOGsfdFKhO8kC by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T16:28:45Z
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@bill0004 truly
(DIR) Post #AcVMciKutGnKhQC9xo by earwigplanet@mastodon.social
2023-12-05T16:31:06Z
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@clive https://youtu.be/PI_Jl5WFQkA
(DIR) Post #AcVN8TNU2dnFZZXVpY by rgarner@mastodon.social
2023-12-05T16:36:58Z
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@clive I mean honestly I thought that's what it was when I first clapped eyes on it. Remember that scene in Robocop where gangster Emile gets half-jellified by toxic slurry and wanders into the path of Boddicker's car to be messily bisected? This looks like it'll do the job without the toxic slurry. That's where this belongs — in a Verhoeven movie.
(DIR) Post #AcVNFs9ALi4QQ5N3js by ChemicalEyeGuy@mstdn.science
2023-12-05T16:38:13Z
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@clive The #Cybertruck doubles as an #Antifa magnet! 🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #AcVO6n5jsJqG5a09Pk by markmevans@techhub.social
2023-12-05T16:47:53Z
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@clive It's an old joke but it's like Musk thought Blade Runner was the best possible future.
(DIR) Post #AcVODUDuQPxlb612GW by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T16:48:17Z
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@earwigplanet lol yes
(DIR) Post #AcVOKyS8Qn2jNaEwrI by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T16:50:07Z
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@rgarner 100%
(DIR) Post #AcVOST1dA58YE2PqbY by TD_Cycle@urbanists.social
2023-12-05T16:50:25Z
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@clive It's a nasty vehicle. It's not hard to imagine police forces buying these and customizing them for "peacekeeping."
(DIR) Post #AcVOZeOjHF1bWXe4tE by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T16:51:06Z
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@TD_Cycle Alas, yes
(DIR) Post #AcVPRFCDC2Tr00LVE8 by Gustodon@mas.to
2023-12-05T17:02:37Z
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@clive "The guts of the Cybertruck tick off a few more boxes on the how-to-design-a-car-that-kills-everyone-outside-it checklist."😂
(DIR) Post #AcVPY3iOHGxvQ0e9yK by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T17:02:54Z
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@Gustodon 🔥
(DIR) Post #AcVPeME6Mi3wZITzXs by JosephSmith3130@mastodon.social
2023-12-05T17:03:05Z
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@clive wow. Why not pick on the lifted F-150 Silverado King Ranch Big Horn FX-4 Trail Boss Tuscany Duelly Merlot Platinum Editions Maxi Cab Raptor Power Stroke Diesels? There are 12 million more of them rolling coal today!
(DIR) Post #AcVPo0qOie179F01GC by jhv@triangletoot.party
2023-12-05T17:06:33Z
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@clive Exactly right. Thank you.
(DIR) Post #AcVQHXw2lZTuAyislc by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T17:12:11Z
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I repeat this anecdote a lot so forgive me if you've heard it, but ...... my Ukrainian-Canadian grandfather ran his dairy farm using a 1960s-era truck ...... which was by today's standards *tiny*: Lower-slung, small cabBut! It was *more usable* than today's monstrositiesIt had a longer bed than today's trucks; being lower-slung made loading/unloading easierAgain: He ran a whole-ass farm with this vehicle; drove over rough terrainNobody *needs* today's bloated, paramilitary trucks
(DIR) Post #AcVQe6gqEHaAKxMznk by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T17:16:19Z
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@JosephSmith3130 Oh believe me, I pick on them too 😂
(DIR) Post #AcVRdFWzyLFrQEvAHY by carbontwelve@notacult.social
2023-12-05T17:26:38Z
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@clive @rgarner I’ve banked this quote for repeated reuse for when people discuss the cyber truck with me.
(DIR) Post #AcVRzi3ObgGuFomh2O by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T17:28:17Z
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@carbontwelve @rgarner 😂 excellent
(DIR) Post #AcVSL7ZWvRSLTl1arI by enobacon@urbanists.social
2023-12-05T17:34:48Z
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@clive #crashNotAccident ( @Streetsblog )
(DIR) Post #AcVSZcpDWZAsSkHJce by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T17:37:55Z
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@enobacon @Streetsblog yep
(DIR) Post #AcVUB5T85epVy6NFtA by carlosritchie@mastodon.online
2023-12-05T17:50:12Z
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@clive it would be a good thing if the EU set hard limits on non-commercial vehicle weight, size, and max acceleration. Knowing that a design like this would be illegal in the EU might encourage auto makers to design vehicles that are better aligned with environmental considerations and the needs of society in general. #ev #cybertruck #tesla
(DIR) Post #AcVVhxFLmUmzyhAJ2O by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T18:07:39Z
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@carlosritchie I know several economists have pointed out that the simplest way to manage this would be to tax vehicles based on weightThe market would correct in a jiffBut I can't imagine that would fly in the US
(DIR) Post #AcVW3B3TdXEgsxjPEm by kevinbongart@mastodon.social
2023-12-05T18:11:19Z
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@clive "For the wealthy customer looking for a self-defense weapon, we built this bazooka.Don't worry when aiming it at someone though: it comes with a don't-kill-people AI which works most of the time."
(DIR) Post #AcVWAOe7VJ9943JTua by eldubuu@mastodon.social
2023-12-05T18:17:27Z
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@clive Musk: “I want to design an electric pickup for my American idiot fan bois!”Tesla engineers: “Awesome! We have some ideas-“Musk: “Shut the fuck up losers! If I want any shit from you I’ll squeeze your Jew heads!”Tesla engineers: “…but none of us are Je-, *sigh*…Yes sir,how may we please you??”Musk: “Thats more like it. I want the design to look like Humvee fucked a DeLorean!”Tesla engineers: “What features-“Musk: “What about ‘Humvee fucking a DeLorean’ don't you understand?!!”
(DIR) Post #AcVWPcSORCfsF35Rh2 by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T18:18:24Z
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@eldubuu 😂 I laugh because IT'S TRUE
(DIR) Post #AcVWcxsu58GkSkqnKa by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T18:22:08Z
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@maximum_mew Subarus! They are f'in indestructibleWhen we bought our Hyundai Elantra back in 2013 we wanted a used Subaru, but there weren't any for saleNobody ever sells a Subaruthey just drive it until it falls apart, which is never
(DIR) Post #AcVWoLfVzf3JPg14To by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T18:25:27Z
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@brbcoding Yeah, I don't know either!
(DIR) Post #AcVZolswovMIaLC04O by DukeDuke@mastodon.social
2023-12-05T18:58:59Z
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@clive Ah yes, the Cybercorvair--unsafe at any speed. 💩
(DIR) Post #AcVay5dwpUpqQMBScK by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T19:11:32Z
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@DukeDuke Very much so
(DIR) Post #AcVb6GzQWmGbvn8GzA by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T19:12:01Z
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@maximum_mew oh man yes!They just do not lose any valuerock solid
(DIR) Post #AcVfkKeMjnWGgQddkO by Extra_Special_Carbon@mastodon.world
2023-12-05T20:05:28Z
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@clive It’s clearly meant to be his DeLorean. He’s probably hoping to get a redo of Back to the Future.There is no other explanation for this design, I’m surprised it doesn’t have gull wings.
(DIR) Post #AcVgvuQy8NSonxSMEK by StrangeNoises@mastodon.social
2023-12-05T20:17:20Z
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@clive @carlosritchie it would only need to fly in California
(DIR) Post #AcVgwW8VxRHTjj79k0 by LALegault@newsie.social
2023-12-05T20:16:04Z
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@clive @jargoggles Not to mention it is the opposite of whatever is referred to as a “chick magnet” and mostly the source of everything women laugh about when it pulls away.
(DIR) Post #AcVh8ePX1FiasGrMfY by McPatrick@mastodon.social
2023-12-05T20:21:08Z
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@clive The appropriate response to a cybertruck is an RPG.
(DIR) Post #AcVhI0BlQ1Kb1WsYjY by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T20:22:51Z
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@McPatrick heh heh
(DIR) Post #AcVhUdm04QYtGer3QG by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T20:23:34Z
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@StrangeNoises @carlosritchie True! It really does tip the dominos of climate policy in the US
(DIR) Post #AcVhhb8nAWvCrsh5vs by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T20:26:48Z
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@LALegault @jargoggles It is indeed of a piece -- like, with *fractal precision*, "of a piece" -- of the ways in which some the alt-right obsession with "attracting chicks via manly cosplay" has just completely snapped a tether
(DIR) Post #AcViId8UiIvVlqDHEW by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T20:33:07Z
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@Extra_Special_Carbon I can't quite figure out what's going on, apart from a generalized whiff of paramilitary-dude "tactical lifestyle" vibes
(DIR) Post #AcVjsZRvzsLwiU0XXU by jargoggles@mstdn.social
2023-12-05T20:40:27Z
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@clive @LALegault It's really bizarre, isn't it? These are things that other men have convinced them that women want and, when they don't work, they blame the women who never said they were attracted to those things for not being attracted to them.
(DIR) Post #AcVjsaWa05fA3BBlQ0 by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T20:43:49Z
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@jargoggles @LALegault It's like they're a wildly overfitted neural network going muleheadedly down some cognitive rathole
(DIR) Post #AcVk4bNSeg2EAdeV8a by dct@libranet.de
2023-12-05T20:38:21Z
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@maximum_mew @clive We love our Outback as well, and as an added bonus of pandemic WFH we get to keep it longer due to reduced mileage. I just wish they had a better electric story.
(DIR) Post #AcVk4cW0QOSphQeq5w by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T20:46:40Z
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@dct @maximum_mew TrueThough there is an argument for, if one has a) an older gasoline vehicle that b) gets good mileage and c) will last a long time, that it's better for emissions to i) keep it and ii) drive it while iii) shifting maybe some of one's mobility, in whatever way's possible, to lower-carbon stuff ... bike, ebike, etcThat's because the CO2 output of making the aluminum for a new car, even an EV, is *massive*So: keep the old car going, with reduced use
(DIR) Post #AcVk4h9VBUQy55ARDE by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T20:47:13Z
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@dct @maximum_mew And many of those outbacks get quite good mileage, I believe
(DIR) Post #AcVkeqt2T9QEhGhwoq by LALegault@newsie.social
2023-12-05T20:46:41Z
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@jargoggles @clive Men who go to other men for advice about women has always confused me most.I think we have all voted the cyber truck “most likely to contain divorced dad energy or a kidnapper.”
(DIR) Post #AcVkeryOQjIc4ADjns by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T20:49:22Z
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@LALegault @jargoggles and, with unsettling frequency, the energy of *both*
(DIR) Post #AcVkkkI9txONysGf9E by Extra_Special_Carbon@mastodon.world
2023-12-05T20:49:42Z
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@clive I’m just puzzled why he didn’t give it gull wings. I don’t think there is any way the DeLorean wasn’t the inspiration for this.
(DIR) Post #AcVl2kKuTWhVKa8cNM by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T20:52:27Z
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@Extra_Special_Carbon I sometimes wonder if the delorean influence might have been accidentalThe design of the Cybertruck is so deeply weird -- almost *fascinatingly* so -- that I sometimes half-wonder if the designers have never actually *seen* a real-life carIt's like something a four-year-old would design, if you told them "draw me a really ferocious truck that a badass guy would drive"
(DIR) Post #AcVl2okE5LKP0G0tOK by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T20:54:53Z
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@Extra_Special_Carbon In fact, the one argument in favor of the Cybertruck -- which I read in the Atlantic recently (https://archive.is/7hEBY) -- is that it is, at least, *weird*And that with the advent of electric vehicles, where the drivetrain is greatly simplified ...... it's an opportunity to seriously rethink the basic *shape* of a car or truckNow, as it happens, the cybertruck is a *terrible* rethinking 😂 But the principle obtains
(DIR) Post #AcVmmt5qLhdtlVelHM by dct@libranet.de
2023-12-05T21:16:42Z
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@clive @maximum_mew Very true, although my H6 isn't terribly fuel efficient. I find it hard to let go of a car that effectively translates my impatience into speed.
(DIR) Post #AcVmmuP1TsZvpHdaoS by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-05T21:19:03Z
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@dct @maximum_mew heh heh I hear that
(DIR) Post #AcVtN4zAD7s0nZAmUy by mmlarthur@mastodon.social
2023-12-05T22:38:10Z
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We need to start charging vehicle registration by weight/size & not just purpose. A truck is still a truck if it's not a commercial vehicle.
(DIR) Post #AcW2Go5d0zF4FOHSCG by ellenor2000@mastodon.top
2023-12-06T00:17:55Z
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@clive I wish such noise baffling was being applied as retrofits to houses.Cars? There should be some level of noise admitted into the interior. I want to hear the others' horns, and bike bell dings. and the birds screaming at me to - wait, how did I end up around a rowan tree?
(DIR) Post #AcW3SQacJVsYn9se8m by LALegault@newsie.social
2023-12-06T00:31:11Z
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@clive @jargoggles Very true, Elon Musk has that energy and did kidnap his son.
(DIR) Post #AcXRSFXM00xcZRlIae by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-06T16:28:52Z
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@ellenor2000 heh heh precisely
(DIR) Post #AcXzd2A3T26kiIB5o8 by breadbin@bitbang.social
2023-12-06T22:56:38Z
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@clive That suppression vehicle will be bundled up for sale to the police I bet. It’s the most totalitarian dystopia design I’ve seen. No movie has come close.
(DIR) Post #AcY1OKoQ2aZm7hB0T2 by msbellows@c.im
2023-12-06T23:17:28Z
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@clive I wish Ralph Nader had simply continued doing what he was best at.
(DIR) Post #AcY1ggBRJzZlcLgwhk by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-06T23:20:09Z
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@msbellows Truly
(DIR) Post #AcZPHzfcKEFWsBWqFU by David_Wicks@universeodon.com
2023-12-07T15:19:56Z
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@clive when ever I see it doing off reading it looks so ungainly.
(DIR) Post #AcZQN2WTFNwx7cDjd2 by failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to
2023-12-07T15:31:49Z
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@clive On the one hand YESon the other hand is this very different from dozens of other SUVs and Pickup trucks which are sold by virtually every other car maker ?I mean even Volvo and VW now sell midsize SUVs, in the US, that are starting to get jacked up
(DIR) Post #AcZRUTYnDklMxTPsQq by hishamzerriffi@fediscience.org
2023-12-07T15:44:11Z
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@clive "cars are rolling buckets of externalities" is such a nicely succinct way of putting it.
(DIR) Post #AcZSrTanMnhrfmstDE by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-07T15:59:58Z
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@failedLyndonLaRouchite Totally I mean the cybertruck synthesizes those trends but those trends long predate it, in all those SUVs and supposedly “light” trucks
(DIR) Post #AcZSycRCsWG98KnzGq by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-07T16:00:33Z
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@David_Wicks The videos I’ve seen it offroading don’t make it look terribly sprightly
(DIR) Post #AcZbfUW10bk8eE0aEi by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-07T17:37:48Z
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@hishamzerriffi 🤘 🤖
(DIR) Post #AceQyNLceFs0oWzRui by hotdogsladies@mastodon.social
2023-12-10T01:32:24Z
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@clive You’re a really good writer, Clive.
(DIR) Post #AceYOIYJna8j9NEj4q by kimhoar@toot.community
2023-12-10T02:55:07Z
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@clive maybe reflected in insurance rates. Costs a lot to drive something designed to kill people
(DIR) Post #AceYomFe0Aqkmx7zw8 by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-10T03:00:20Z
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@kimhoar Possibly!
(DIR) Post #AceYvMghReuzX0vMki by clive@saturation.social
2023-12-10T03:00:37Z
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@hotdogsladies Y’all are kind!