Post AcUexdQLxB99Yuu52m by danielquinn@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AcSrS33Y1pKSsdaM4W by Colinsay@mastodon.scot
2023-12-04T08:35:39Z
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Is the whole world turning to fascism?'German Sea Captain Pia Klemp is facing up to 20 years in jail for rescuing nearly 1000 migrants from drowning. If you believe in hope over hate and support Pia Klemp give this a retweet. It is disgusting that anyone would dare try throw her in jail. Blade of the Sun'.
(DIR) Post #AcSrS4BNqBBuNEG7vM by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-04T11:33:18.184744Z
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@Colinsay Her story is a bit more complex than “world turning to fascism”.The reason why she’s facing charges is not because she “saved people from drowning” but because she goes to do that in the territorial waters of Tunisia (Africa) where she picks up people from dinghy boats sailed by African human traffickers who, if she was not waiting there, wouldn’t even leave to the sea.Then she takes these people hundreds of kilometers north, to Italy, where rules of sea rescue would suggest delivering them to the nearest port, that is Tunisia, which is a few kilometers away.This means she’s not only not “saving people from drowning”, she is the very reason why they even leave to the sea on dinghy boats, and she does that in cooperation with human traffickers who charge their victims thousands of dollars per trip with no guarantees of survival, frequently take away their passports and then sell them to prostitution, drug dealing and begging gangs in Italy.
(DIR) Post #AcTCED3g8sPgsttBSK by ariaflame@masto.ai
2023-12-04T15:08:07Z
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@kravietz @Colinsay Ah, so you'd prefer they stay in whatever hellhole they're living in?
(DIR) Post #AcTCEEaKSy7ncSAlzE by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-04T15:26:07.368533Z
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@ariaflame No, I’m explaining why she’s under criminal investigation. Human trafficking is a crime in most countries.@Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcTCfpdKpSAwLFjpia by rjayasinghe@chaos.social
2023-12-04T15:16:49Z
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@kravietz @Colinsay can you prove that she is cooperating with the African traffickers?
(DIR) Post #AcTCfqk6hlBdmXukue by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-04T15:31:07.601264Z
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@rjayasinghe Yes, it took me around 8 seconds to copy-paste her name into DuckDuckGo, find the relevant article on Wikipedia and then a source from 2017 that says just that. Quite surprised you weren’t able to do the same, but here you go:“The evidence is serious,” Cartosio said. “We have evidence of encounters between traffickers, who escorted illegal immigrants to the Iuventa, and members of the boat’s crew.”https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-italy-ngo/italy-seizes-ngo-rescue-boat-for-allegedly-aiding-illegal-migration-idUSKBN1AI21B/@Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcTDMowzFCOKfwQeqO by rjayasinghe@chaos.social
2023-12-04T15:36:25Z
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@kravietz not my task to prove your claims. 🤷🏾♂️ but thanks for providing the links. I'd say its up to the courts to come to decide on that case.
(DIR) Post #AcTDUokjrXJCNaVscC by ariaflame@masto.ai
2023-12-04T15:28:00Z
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@kravietz @Colinsay Oh you know she got paid for it do you?
(DIR) Post #AcTDUwV53dXMPLFUJs by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-04T15:39:21.701952Z
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@ariaflame Oh how about doing a web search?https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-italy-ngo/italy-seizes-ngo-rescue-boat-for-allegedly-aiding-illegal-migration-idUSKBN1AI21B/@Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcTEUCHazdSJ1M9Lay by quincy@chaos.social
2023-12-04T15:43:33Z
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@rjayasinghe And what's more, it's seriously questionable whether those accusations were in good faith.This too is well known and I'd say it's rather disingenuous to only refer to the 2017 Reuters story.Seehttps://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/22/how-rescuing-drowning-migrants-became-a-crime-iuventa-salvini-italyand especiallyhttps://www.hrw.org/news/2022/12/13/italys-criminalisation-migrant-rescue-luventa-case
(DIR) Post #AcTEUDbU5AxV7KSkEa by quincy@chaos.social
2023-12-04T15:46:11Z
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@rjayasinghe I'm going to block that guy now, he's also been spreading disinformation regarding other subjects (#eIDAS) -accusing others of doing just that when they raised the alarm about potential implications for browser makers, and then not substantiating his claimshttps://chaos.social/@quincy/111398523402476014
(DIR) Post #AcTEUENLDFEvVkqxpQ by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-04T15:51:25.904084Z
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@quincy Well, I could say exactly the same thing about your narrative on eIDAS, since I have produced plenty of arguments and you presented none in response. My last response was:The difference between “raising an alarm” and “disinformation” lies in the factual accuracy of arguments. The arguments raised by Mozilla in this campaign are just as accurate as “EU will regulate cucumbers curvature” used by British yellow press on the eve of Brexit.You didn’t even bother to respond to that.@rjayasinghe
(DIR) Post #AcTF8uSABhcpb2VQUC by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-04T15:58:40.078237Z
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@quincy You will understand why Italy is fighting this “taxi service” if you only look at th map of Mediterranean sea, especially the territorial waters around Tunisia.These ships pick up migrants from boats that barely left off Tunisian coast and take them all the way north to Italy. This is not rescue, it’s human trafficking, and it’s rather obvious why this raised suspicions, even if they later didn’t check in the court.As for the “rescuers”, they could just as well sail to the coast of Mexico, pick up people there and bring them to Spain across Atlantic.@rjayasinghe
(DIR) Post #AcTLSbvFOVbzdlt3vE by whatzaname@kolektiva.social
2023-12-04T16:14:30Z
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@kravietz @Colinsay i find your point of view disturbing and disingenuous. I want the people of Ukraine to be free, and people everywhere to be free to move and live. Enforcing borders is just capitalism's way to enslave a workforce and keep them where oppressors want them/us.Punishing people who help other people is how capitalists maintain control. No matter what flag they fly, all capitalism is evil, all borders are enslavement. Capitalism generates a profit from every aspect of this: it uses immigrants under threat of deportment, citizens under threat of homelessness.It's all capitalism, and i never trust the opinion of a #capitalist enabler, as it is formed wholly by greed.
(DIR) Post #AcTLScpG2GPmRU5nE0 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-04T17:09:34.805203Z
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@whatzanameThe most fortified border I've ever seen in my life, with double line of fences, barbed wire and orders to kill was between Western and Eastern Germany, built and guarded by USSR. They built it in 1950's to stop flow of hundreds of thousands people escaping *from* USSR.USSR expands as "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" and it certainly wasn't a capitalist country. So your "it's all capitalism" hypothesis doesn't check.@Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcTZSd8qGAbcmR9KHg by SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe
2023-12-04T15:47:05Z
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@kravietz @rjayasinghe @Colinsay From the same article: "Cartosio said there was no indication that Jugend Rettet had received any money from the Libya-based traffickers."It would be fantasy to say there was a coordinated plan between the NGOs and the Libyan traffickers," he said."So, the question is: are you a liar who's trying to insult our intelligence? Or did you just not read the article past the point where some Italian dude asserts something that vaguely agrees with your justification of the persecution of Captain Kemp and other humanitarian NGOs? As the article notes, despite their efforts, thousands of would-be immigrants still drown in the Mediterranean. If their sole motivation for going to sea was to get a ride on an NGO boat, you'd think there would be fewer drownings.
(DIR) Post #AcTZSgo4dKN09BSnT6 by SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe
2023-12-04T16:01:36Z
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@kravietz @rjayasinghe @Colinsay oh, and hey, that article is from 2017.2021: “Our forensic study was aimed at assessing the allegations of the Italian authorities. The results are clear: There is no evidence of collusion between the Iuventa’s crew and smugglers,” said Lorenzo Pezzani, researcher at Goldsmiths."https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/mar/04/refugee-rescuers-charged-in-italy-with-complicity-in-people-smuggling
(DIR) Post #AcTZShinERjwz605sO by SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe
2023-12-04T16:05:31Z
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@kravietz @rjayasinghe @Colinsay2022:'Gallo later said that he wanted to be “like a journalist” and expose what was happening in the Central Mediterranean. Wiretapped conversations show that he was also hoping to recover his police job — he had previously been expelled for misconduct — or even get a position as an undercover agent. Speaking to Montanino, he fantasized about a private meeting with the head of Italy’s national police, the Polizia di Stato, which answers to the Ministry of the Interior. “I want to tell them, ‘Look, since I don’t think this stuff at sea with these immigrants will be over anytime soon,’” Gallo told his colleague, “‘we can sign a contract with the ministry — you place us, I don’t know, on a Red Cross ship, and we’ll be your spies.’”Gallo, Ballestra, and Montanino never got a response to their email. But it eventually made its way into Italy’s halls of power at a moment of growing resentment over the role of rescue NGOs. Anti-immigration politicians were circulating theories about the supposed “pull factor” the organizations represented, and Gallo’s message offered up a target.'So the whole thing started with zero evidence, just an email from a fired Italian cop.https://theintercept.com/2022/12/21/italy-iuventa-humanitarian-rescue/
(DIR) Post #AcTZSjNF5Xgq6pvuYy by SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe
2023-12-04T19:44:10Z
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@kravietz @rjayasinghe @Colinsay @ariaflame hey y'all, do you think this lying fascist can't see my posts, or is he deliberately ignoring the posts containing factual contradiction of his fascist lies?
(DIR) Post #AcTZSkljtwsaR6OzNw by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-04T19:46:26.414834Z
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@SallyStrange You are now getting blocked for excessive hate language and abusing the term “fascist” with no factual basis other than “I don’t like what you say”. If you can’t control you emotions, you should not participate in discussions.@rjayasinghe @Colinsay @ariaflame
(DIR) Post #AcTZkQFiv4Ug1Bqte4 by RD4Anarchy@kolektiva.social
2023-12-04T19:07:34Z
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@kravietz @whatzaname @Colinsay Highly recommended read, very informative and clarifying:"State Capitalism: The Wages System Under New Management" free pdf:https://files.libcom.org/files/State%20Capitalism.pdfCapital doesn't really care if it is controlled by private individuals or state. USSR did not eliminate capital, nor did it eliminate the system of wage labor.Every state on earth, since at least the early 20th century, serves capital, the USSR was no exception.
(DIR) Post #AcTZkRG7B6Ov8h2itU by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-04T19:49:41.199275Z
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@RD4Anarchy Every state on earth, since at least the early 20th century, serves capitalThis kind takes away any descriptive value from terms such as “capitalist” and “socialist”, doesn’t it?@whatzaname @Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcTnu78UFTKmyzyzq4 by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-04T22:16:35Z
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@whatzaname @RD4Anarchy @Colinsay @kravietz Only if you assume that the Soviets were telling you the truth
(DIR) Post #AcTnu85ghMgnwbgH7A by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-04T22:28:15.793295Z
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@HeavenlyPossumThey rarely did, but they certainly followed the recipes of Marxism-Leninism closely, so at least they tried. @whatzaname @RD4Anarchy @Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcTo7kQRTwmUbNsldo by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-04T22:29:47Z
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@whatzaname @Colinsay @kravietz @RD4Anarchy No, they didn’t
(DIR) Post #AcTo7lQ7mc7Zggk1mi by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-04T22:30:45.874303Z
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@HeavenlyPossum You riposte is too verbose, I’m flooded by all the arguments!@whatzaname @Colinsay @RD4Anarchy
(DIR) Post #AcToxNGsoW73qh1peS by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-04T22:33:33Z
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@RD4Anarchy @kravietz @Colinsay @whatzaname Rd already shared with you a book that systematically dismantles any notion that the Soviet Union was in any way Marxist. Beyond that, all I can do is encourage you not to believe and internalize Soviet propaganda.
(DIR) Post #AcToxOOMeBgvKBXJx2 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-04T22:39:04.310520Z
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@HeavenlyPossum Sorry, I have studied this subject for the last 20 years so while a random book may end up on my list, it’s not a game changer. In short, Bolsheviks closely followed Marxist recipe, starting with violent revolution, dictatorship of the proletariat and Marxian economy. If you’re genuinely interested in this subject, I can expand on each of these points.@RD4Anarchy @Colinsay @whatzaname
(DIR) Post #AcTpIFa6bGMS51ySGW by RD4Anarchy@kolektiva.social
2023-12-04T22:41:58Z
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@kravietz @whatzaname @Colinsay Not at all, not for any solid meaningful definitions of those words. In fact I think it emphasizes the meaningful distinctions between those concepts.Socialism is the workers controlling the means of production. Welfare states are not socialism. State owned or "public" is not socialism. Authoritarian states are not socialism. China is not "communist" just because the US has called it that (communism is a classless *stateless* society), the DPRK is not democratic just because it calls itself that.
(DIR) Post #AcTpIGVX9kIYx8qJmK by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-04T22:43:50.027242Z
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@RD4Anarchy As it happens, last year I wrote an article exactly on the semantic mess with these terms, so won’t repeat myself:https://write.as/arcadian/pragmatism-and-dogmatism-in-economy-capitalism-versus-socialism@whatzaname @Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcUWEVqYTpHbOf8Gye by RD4Anarchy@kolektiva.social
2023-12-04T23:09:20Z
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@kravietz @whatzaname @Colinsay oof. I read it. Yikes. Sorry but there were so many trite and untrue clichés and such a shallow perspective on systems and events, a naivete about the actuality of what institutions *do* vs. what they claim.Maybe give that book I recommended a try, seriously, you'll find it interesting.
(DIR) Post #AcUWEWiRFUNu5mLIxs by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-05T05:53:01Z
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@kravietz @Colinsay @RD4Anarchy @whatzaname Communism is when you have enclosure of peasant land and mass compulsory wage labor to facilitate the intensified production of commodities for sale to capitalist markets to maximize revenues in excess of costs in order to reinvest in expanded industrial production.Duh!
(DIR) Post #AcUWEXevk1Al1Bi18S by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T06:43:58.668746Z
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@HeavenlyPossumThat's *your* definition, that exists in addition to a dozen of other definitions, some of them exclude the very concept of "wage" due to absence of money under communism.@Colinsay @RD4Anarchy @whatzaname
(DIR) Post #AcUX1LHqWuhgpsBJGi by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T06:53:49.062356Z
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@RD4AnarchyThat's just "no true Scotsman" fallacy, I'm afraid.In the same way you could claim Christians or Muslims aren't really followers of their respective religions because the Savior hasn't arrived yet.But Soviet theorists perfectly realized they haven't built communism, they just argued they haven't built it *yet* — Soviet constitution declared it as a "socialist country on the way to communism".And every single of their political decisions — such as Lenin's NEP and Stalin's collectivization and "socialism in one country" — were dictated, as they claimed, by political necessity of the time. But each of them was supported by a ton of quotes from Marx and Engels to confirm the direction.And that was possible even if both mentioned directions were contradictory, because so were Marx writings — vague and contradictory, just like most religious scriptures like Bible.About that I have written quite recently:https://write.as/arcadian/why-marxists-desc...@whatzaname @Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcUexcIs7VZI5QOakC by max@med-mastodon.com
2023-12-04T11:26:17Z
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@Colinsay hot take based solely on the picture and headline but Pia Klemp seems cool as hell?
(DIR) Post #AcUexdQLxB99Yuu52m by danielquinn@mastodon.social
2023-12-04T15:30:31Z
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@max @Colinsay from a separate article: “I don’t see sea rescue as a humanitarian action, but as part of an anti-fascist fight,”So yeah. She's a badass.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/26/italian-authorities-detain-banksy-funded-migrant-rescue-boat
(DIR) Post #AcUk0ytT5OcSmww94K by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-05T08:52:41Z
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@RD4Anarchy @Colinsay @whatzaname @kravietz This might make sense if Marx had argued in favor of a discursive community, but he didn’t. He advocated for material change that did not manifest in the Soviet Union.You’re not obligated to take Stalin at face value.
(DIR) Post #AcUk0znTj9QFaf8sN6 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T09:18:55.356280Z
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@HeavenlyPossum Marx argued that the material change will be result of “immutable laws of history” (historical and dialectical materialism).And he argued that the change is unavoidable but requires very specific actions to be executed (pun intended) - specifically, violent revolution and dictatorship of proletariat. Bolshevik did just that.The whole mess with NEP and “socialism in one country” started when the unavoidable world revolution did not arrive, which forced them to creatively patch Marx theory.We all know where they ended up, but that’s very much the same process that led some self-declared Christians to say support death penalty (and we still call them “Christian fundamentalists”).And one plausible explanation why that “material change that did not manifest in the Soviet Union” is that these laws were nonsense from the start.@RD4Anarchy @Colinsay @whatzaname
(DIR) Post #AcUwh236wWoiBhGUiG by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-05T11:29:29Z
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@kravietz @RD4Anarchy @Colinsay @whatzaname If terms like “communism” are to have any diagnostic value, they must refer more than the professed intent of people who claim the term. We do not have to believe that North Korea is democratic because its regime claims to be democratic; we do not have to believe that the Soviets “intended” to do communism eventually and were working towards it.In all of this—including your superficial read of Marx—your claims are indistinguishable from authoritarian leftists who similarly oppose substantive communism in favor of this rhetorical communism.
(DIR) Post #AcUwh33rBF0XKIcbVw by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T11:41:28.869200Z
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@HeavenlyPossum North Korea or Russia aren’t democratic because the political science definition of democracy is quite clear and unambiguous, and none of these institutions exist in either of them. In other words, there’s a shared reference frame against which we can assess their compliance with the definition. In reality, these countries usually resort to some kind of semantic manipulation, by using their private definitions of these terms, “democracies with adjectives”, such as “people’s democracy” or “directed democracy”. Which gave birth to the old Soviet jokes like “what’s the difference between a chair and an electric chair”. In case of communism however you simply do not have such a shared reference frame, as nearly everyone is using their private definitions and usually without any adjectives.Some people use “communism” as a simple synonym for “socialism” e.g. as proposed by SPD (at which point Marx is turning in his grave). Then you got endless fractions like Menshevik, communist anarchists, Trotskyists, Maoists, Eurocommunists etc etc. Some would then argue that USSR wasn’t really communist, others would then go and say that Marxism wasn’t really communist either because it was putting too much focus on violent revolution. At which point we should stop and ask ourselves what is the informative value of a statement like “Communist Manifesto wasn’t communist”.It’s all about reference frame…@RD4Anarchy @Colinsay @whatzaname
(DIR) Post #AcUwh3J6GZCW5ZkmH2 by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-05T11:33:39Z
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@whatzaname @RD4Anarchy @Colinsay @kravietz In any case, Marx was wrong about a lot. He rejected the revolutionary potential of agrarian peasants, for example, because he was deeply biased against rural life, and did not believe Russia was an apt candidate for revolution (he expected industrialized Germany instead). Fortunately, socialism did not start with and is not limited to Marx; we can look at the Soviet Union through the same lens as Marx’s prescient and correct contemporary critics, such as Kropotkin, and recognize that the absence of worker ownership of the means of production precludes any meaningful communism.
(DIR) Post #AcUwh4l8rnE4apsgca by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-05T11:39:14Z
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@whatzaname @RD4Anarchy @kravietz @Colinsay > “And he argued that the change is unavoidable but requires very specific actions to be executed (pun intended) - specifically, violent revolution and dictatorship of proletariat. Bolshevik did just that.”Marx believed revolution would inevitably occur when the declining rate of profit immiserated workers to the point that they faced extinction. The Bolsheviks were the authors of vanguard theory, not Marx, when they got tired of waiting for power.Marx was also vague about his concept of a dictatorship of the proletariat, and Kropotkin, et al, were correct that this vagueness opened a space for authoritarian interpretations, but nothing Marx advocated for resembled anything the Bolsheviks established in their reactionary, anti-communist coup.
(DIR) Post #AcUx6oi99l94LikpX6 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T11:46:07.732095Z
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@HeavenlyPossum Marx and Engels weren’t at all vague about this, they was actually quite explicit and outspoken. Which allowed Lenin to make a long collection of very explicit quotes from Marx and Engels in “State and Revolution” and summarise it as a “veritable panegyric on violent revolution”:https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch01.htm#s4This “panegyric” was then hailed by majority of Western Left who were generally at the “you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs” vibe. Only in 1930’s some of them started to gradually back away, seeing what Great Purges did, but most of them it took well into 1960’s.@whatzaname @RD4Anarchy @Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcUxTBn41qD4IciqGG by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-05T11:45:46Z
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@whatzaname @kravietz @RD4Anarchy @Colinsay Sure: if your frame of reference is superficial rhetoric, then the Soviets were very communist. In any meaningful sense, they were not. Soviet schools edited Marx’s works because the actual content of his work was too different from Soviet ideology or the material realities of the Soviet Union.
(DIR) Post #AcUxTCUfPj5WTr7fE0 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T11:50:12.055062Z
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@HeavenlyPossum There was no “Soviet ideology” in 1917-1920, as there was no Soviet Union yet. The “editing” and “realities” only started around 1930’s when the disparity between Marx’s teachings and the reality became too large to ignore. But that can be also easily explained - if you zealously believe in the grand theory (dialectical and historical materialism), then you’re ready to adapt tactical details for the sake of saving the grand theory.@whatzaname @RD4Anarchy @Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcV8EPFOoRQHBh856e by HeavenlyPossum@kolektiva.social
2023-12-05T11:52:04Z
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@whatzaname @kravietz @RD4Anarchy @Colinsay I’m impressed by how much water you’re willing to carry for Soviet propaganda
(DIR) Post #AcV8EQIysbskT5oSKO by messaroundmarx@zirk.us
2023-12-05T13:47:03Z
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@HeavenlyPossum You are discussing with a fascist troll.🤢 Just scroll up the thread for proof.@whatzaname @kravietz @RD4Anarchy @Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcV8ERNyrVTXot9xlA by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T13:50:46.015672Z
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@messaroundmarx You are getting blocked for insults and using words whose meaning you don’t understand.@HeavenlyPossum @whatzaname @RD4Anarchy @Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcVIogLHjLp4AnoopU by RD4Anarchy@kolektiva.social
2023-12-05T15:46:53Z
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@kravietz @HeavenlyPossum @whatzaname @Colinsay @messaroundmarx You're blocking someone who could probably teach you a hell of a lot about Marxist thought but oh well 🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #AcVIohKy21A9G6g4yO by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T15:49:23.508438Z
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@RD4Anarchy Maybe, but I don’t take lessons from someone who throws “fascist” insult at anyone they don’t agree with. No better than talking to actual fascists.@HeavenlyPossum @whatzaname @Colinsay @messaroundmarx
(DIR) Post #AcVTiAdPnwgjamOeUS by RD4Anarchy@kolektiva.social
2023-12-05T16:19:16Z
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@kravietz @rjayasinghe @SallyStrange @ariaflame @Colinsay LOL!Your bullshit just got crushed by the enormous weight of evidence, your whining about being mistreated isn't fooling anyone.Not surprising that you seem to have such a problem frequently having to ban people for "insults and hate speech"!
(DIR) Post #AcVTiBZCL6uQTzQnYW by neonsnake@kolektiva.social
2023-12-05T16:50:52Z
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@RD4Anarchy @kravietz @rjayasinghe @SallyStrange @ariaflame @Colinsay @RD4Anarchy Fella got factually taken to utter pieces by friend @SallyStrange a coupla days ago, and blocked her for it. He's not arguing in good faith. Ignore.
(DIR) Post #AcVTiD92TLAlNRCw3k by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T17:51:00.569358Z
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@neonsnakeI did not block them for providing the update on the criminal case, I have no problem with being corrected. I blocked them for using an offensive slur, which I duly explained.@RD4Anarchy @rjayasinghe @SallyStrange @ariaflame @Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcVTxZUve8LP30lrLk by nach@bae.st
2023-12-05T17:54:22.754925Z
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@neonsnake @RD4Anarchy @kravietz @rjayasinghe @SallyStrange @ariaflame @Colinsay you're a bunch of soyfaggot niggers
(DIR) Post #AcVZ30aopoU0IewDDs by magitweeter@mastodon.social
2023-12-05T16:39:35Z
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@kravietz Huh. This should really not be difficult at all.Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless form of social organization based on “from each according...”A communist is a supporter of communism. A communist party is a political organization declaring to pursue communism.Then a communist state (already a contradiction in terms) is one led by a communist party.And then communism becomes “whatever the communist states are doing”.@HeavenlyPossum @RD4Anarchy
(DIR) Post #AcVZ31WbMyhhBryMHw by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T18:51:16.100232Z
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@magitweeter Then a communist state is one led by a communist party.So clearly, USSR was a communist state under this definition.(already a contradiction in terms) Lenin wrote a whole book - with quotes from Marx and Engels - where he obsessed about Marx’s phrase of “withering away of state” under communism. There’s no contradictions in communist philosophy, sometimes there’s just not enough of dialectics 😉@HeavenlyPossum @RD4Anarchy
(DIR) Post #AcVZAlQ980kPYqdyro by RD4Anarchy@kolektiva.social
2023-12-05T17:55:13Z
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@kravietz @rjayasinghe @SallyStrange @neonsnake @ariaflame @Colinsay >>I have no problem with being corrected.<<cool, here's that link again then:"State Capitalism: The Wages System Under New Management" https://files.libcom.org/files/State%20Capitalism.pdf
(DIR) Post #AcVZAmI1tfqiFxr0r2 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T18:52:39.348973Z
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@RD4Anarchy This is not “correction” of a fact, this is a different opinion on the nature of communism. I will gladly read it, when I have time.@rjayasinghe @SallyStrange @neonsnake @ariaflame @Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcVa52SaxkoEcnchZw by redrozalia@kolektiva.social
2023-12-05T16:24:28Z
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@kravietz@HeavenlyPossum @RD4Anarchy @whatzaname @Colinsay anarchists and marxists agree that a revolution is violent, and kropotkin did. the difference between marx's understanding of the proletarian dictatorship and the actual soviet union has nothing to do with whether there was violence at all.marx conceived of proletarian dictatorship as a power backed by violence, and that this power and this violence were in the hands of the entire working class and not a bureaucratic state dictating to them. his case example was the paris commune of 1871.but you are obviously not someone who thinks communist revolution is justified in any case. you think "these fools will repeat the purges of stalin" because this is easier than analyzing the specific causes of those purges, or the specific reasons for the failure of the russian revolution, and allows you to comfortably sit in your belief that capitalist society will never end. as easy as it is to dismiss the possibility of communism, it doesnt reflect a careful study of the history you claim to understand.
(DIR) Post #AcVa53MbbVc1QVpQsi by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-05T19:02:48.829739Z
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@redrozalia this violence were in the hands of the entire working classThis is just words. It means nothing, until implemented. And with such a banal and vague statements that “the violence was” or “wasn’t in the hands”, then spend another life arguing whether it was “entire” or “not entire working class”. Since Marxism is entirely made of such wise-sounding banalities, it makes a great material for sectarian, quasi-religious disputes, which marked its history from the very beginning.communist revolution is justified in any caseI think the whole historic determinism (“laws”) invented by Marx is pseudo-scientific nonsense. Revolutions break out, or not, depending on very complex social phenomena. Attributing them to a set of economic conditions is a reductionism I don’t buy.these fools will repeat the purges of stalinYou have the history of 20th century, where numerous regimes pleading allegiance to Marxism literally obliterated whole social groups, claiming they are just getting rid of “bourgeois class”, but you want to see some “specific causes” there?@HeavenlyPossum @RD4Anarchy @whatzaname @Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcWVCLhjVTDpiwKXNg by thegarbagebird@theblower.au
2023-12-06T03:09:29Z
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@kravietz @rjayasinghe @SallyStrange @ariaflame @Colinsay ah, a tone policeman, enforcing civility. thank you for your service, officer. you are protecting the debate.
(DIR) Post #AcWVCMqzEYDbHvfRRY by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-06T05:42:20.468242Z
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@thegarbagebirdFediBlock is something you could call "tone policing". But my block is 100% mine, doesn't impair their ability to use any tone they like to others. Just not to me. And I don't mind tone, I just don't find it productive to discuss anything with people who start from calling me a "fascist".@rjayasinghe @SallyStrange @ariaflame @Colinsay
(DIR) Post #AcWYUWjXXTQL0NXECu by thegarbagebird@theblower.au
2023-12-06T06:04:26Z
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@kravietzam i being detained?
(DIR) Post #AcWYUXXAYx7fUIkrZ2 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-06T06:19:42.518436Z
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@thegarbagebirdAbsolutely no, feel free to rant 😉
(DIR) Post #AcWcakMUBMUGpHyNaS by thegarbagebird@theblower.au
2023-12-06T06:26:56Z
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@kravietz it would not meet your standards for productivity nor civility.
(DIR) Post #AcWcalJKeZYhlnVNJI by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-12-06T07:05:39.874286Z
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@thegarbagebirdMaybe. For now you do.