Post AcRA80yLZnFlRFOT20 by gfxstrand@mastodon.gamedev.place
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(DIR) Post #AcQmHyJlu16JCZd7FA by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-12-03T11:21:01Z
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Suddenly bolt upright in bed, realising that there are people who never had to experience computers that had USB ports but which couldn't boot from USB
(DIR) Post #AcQmI2dPqvBuaeqrQ0 by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-12-03T11:21:24Z
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Old enough to remember computers with CD drives but which couldn't boot from CD
(DIR) Post #AcQmisU3hYQSvVGsr2 by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-12-03T11:24:38Z
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Not quite old enough to have visited an El Torito before the El Torito bootable CD spec was written on a napkin at the El Torito in Irvine (which, apparently, still exists)
(DIR) Post #AcQnPx7OLYM7kgCzqq by neffo@mas.to
2023-12-03T11:29:05Z
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@mjg59 But old enough to remember computers with hard drives but which couldn't boot from them?
(DIR) Post #AcQncjJUz2dIhZxqgC by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-12-03T11:29:21Z
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@neffo Yeah actually fucking Kickstart 1.2
(DIR) Post #AcQnxP75HaRc8K12Jc by jannem@fosstodon.org
2023-12-03T11:30:27Z
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@mjg59 Old enough to remember computers that didn't boot off anything external. You got whatever was in the built-in ROM.
(DIR) Post #AcQo7ijpAm7DtW3Uum by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-12-03T11:31:17Z
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Except ugh the 1998 version of the El Torito website asserts that the Irvine location is on Main Street, which is not where it is now. Anyone out there have an inexplicable recollection of El Torito locations in LA suburbs in the early 90s to verify?
(DIR) Post #AcQoR2pagwYhiJy1E8 by pmdj@mstdn.social
2023-12-03T11:33:49Z
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@mjg59 Old enough to remember when CD drives used their own special host controllers, which they connected to via a 40-conductor ribbon cable which was mechanically but not electrically compatible to ATA. Old enough to have had an idiot friend who just *had to* find out what happened if you did try to connect it up to *my* ATA host controller.
(DIR) Post #AcQp8rBpKq94LnG7xg by emmy@transfem.social
2023-12-03T11:34:13.897Z
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@mjg59@nondeterministic.computer I've never had to use them myself, but I remember the existence of boot floppies which were used to boot from a CD as a second stage.
(DIR) Post #AcQp8s3M7oxn1oIsOe by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-12-03T11:39:12Z
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@emmy Windows 95 shipped with one!
(DIR) Post #AcQpiUvba4JRjSfNVA by outsidecontext@fosstodon.org
2023-12-03T11:51:44Z
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@mjg59 Who needs this anyway if you can boot from floppy disk :p
(DIR) Post #AcQqdwgt2518LJAv5c by zl2tod@mastodon.online
2023-12-03T11:55:33Z
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@mjg59 And when they could boot from CD and it became a Bad Thing.
(DIR) Post #AcQqzm0VQzdjZxlC0u by fetch@sunbeam.city
2023-12-03T11:59:26Z
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@mjg59 THAT'S where that comes from?!? I had no idea how much that name would impact me when I was passing by during commutes
(DIR) Post #AcQrNc3o4GTvgCfhM8 by m0rpk@mastodon.radio
2023-12-03T12:02:48Z
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@mjg59 Old enough to have acquired a PC with USB ports and shrugged because there was nothing to plug into them yet.
(DIR) Post #AcQrpo3D56dSyXpu6q by swetland@chaos.social
2023-12-03T12:14:46Z
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@mjg59 And a cable to pass analog audio directly from the CDROM drive to the sound card...
(DIR) Post #AcQsd86TJaFrMCsgka by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-12-03T12:24:18Z
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@swetland Ouch this is in the territory of my weird prototype Amiga that had a motherboard sound *output* header but not an input and my terribly bodged mixer that was just some wires jammed into some RCA plugs
(DIR) Post #AcQtMGuXPopFhjpBFQ by BradRubenstein@infosec.exchange
2023-12-03T12:29:36Z
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From 2021: https://www.ocregister.com/2021/05/24/el-torito-grill-in-irvine-will-become-a-giant-sol-mexican-cocina-by-fall/@mjg59
(DIR) Post #AcQtbFg8HOIYE5EIGu by jernej__s@infosec.exchange
2023-12-03T12:32:25Z
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@mjg59 @emmy You could create them to boot XP and Server 2003, IIRC they needed 5 floppies.
(DIR) Post #AcQuCkReqxC6MTL408 by etchedpixels@mastodon.social
2023-12-03T12:41:48Z
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@mjg59 Remind me to stop off in the pub at Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch before writing any standards document.
(DIR) Post #AcQuW7keQP049ASgqW by mhoye@mastodon.social
2023-12-03T12:44:25Z
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@mjg59 I’ve managed to get that the other way around, when I discovered that you can boot off a CD into an OS that doesn’t have CD support.
(DIR) Post #AcQujfYI4AE4k58gCW by swetland@chaos.social
2023-12-03T12:44:47Z
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@mjg59 This was an internal four conductor cable between the drive and a 4 pin header on the sound card that was standard(ish?) in the early days of CD support on PCs. Not a lot of CPU or bandwidth to spare for processing CD audio...
(DIR) Post #AcQuxqwoUj828gNAxc by dcreager@mastodon.dcreager.net
2023-12-03T12:46:08Z
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@mjg59 TIL! That’s a much cooler location-based name than Wayland and Weston
(DIR) Post #AcQwPJOCxMNU7fqMdc by galaxis@mastodon.infra.de
2023-12-03T13:17:32Z
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@mjg59 @emmy As did the initial version of OS/2 Warp 4 (the CD was not bootable).
(DIR) Post #AcQzKIYSvou9wtwUzY by dentangle@chaos.social
2023-12-03T13:50:36Z
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@mjg59 Ah, yes, the venerable CDROM. I miss having a cup holder.
(DIR) Post #AcQzW324TB9RHXOQD2 by acsawdey@fosstodon.org
2023-12-03T13:52:59Z
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@mjg59 Boot floppies <shudder> 😱
(DIR) Post #AcQzuJJnZQywk3FoeG by jeroen94704@fosstodon.org
2023-12-03T13:57:19Z
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@mjg59 Old enough to have come across an Easter-egg in one of the space quest games that explained they had to cut a whole section of story line because it would have caused the game to grow in size enough to require yet another 1.44 MB disc.
(DIR) Post #AcR0v722puWksctcbA by bk1e@mastodon.social
2023-12-03T14:08:26Z
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@mjg59 Old enough to remember computers that could boot from CD but which looked like a VCROld enough to remember trying to find the CD+G version of that one Information Society album to play on aforementioned computer-VCR
(DIR) Post #AcR9UAN3DJmz0Iwnya by leo@60228.dev
2023-12-03T15:43:41Z
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@mjg59 I've never booted a computer from CD simply because I have never had even the slightest desire to burn a CD >_>
(DIR) Post #AcRA80yLZnFlRFOT20 by gfxstrand@mastodon.gamedev.place
2023-12-03T15:51:08Z
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@mjg59 That's what boot floppies were for! 😅
(DIR) Post #AcRJ8YjUxFupjSmajg by alexanderdyas@mindly.social
2023-12-03T17:31:47Z
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@mjg59 Remember auto-run when inserting CDs? That was a great idea.
(DIR) Post #AcSya99HxYSnlv4yTw by deirdresm@hachyderm.io
2023-12-04T12:51:02Z
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@mjg59 Strangely, yes. Throughout the late 80s and into 1990, I did occasional temp stints in El Torito Marketing (in Irvine) between programming gigs. The El Torito Grill was the only ET-branded property actually in Irvine at that time (and as late as 1998, when I returned to Irvine from the east coast).