Post AcR7PQFGZ8nUshusfA by elosha@chaos.social
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 (DIR) Post #AcR7PMkJZlFy1qPcVE by sofia@chaos.social
       2023-12-03T11:25:45Z
       
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       i just spent the first 4 hours of my day watching the latest @Hbomberguy video about #plagiarism, it's good and you should obviously watch it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQanyway, here's what's wrong with it:first, plagiarism is not stealing, it's fraud. thoughts aren't property, and culture would cease the moment we would take that notion too seriously. he even acknowledges that creative endeavors often start highly derivative. arguably still understating the role of imitation in creativity.
       
 (DIR) Post #AcR7PNlPn9jNBXw0rA by sofia@chaos.social
       2023-12-03T11:26:16Z
       
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       also he tries to shoehorn permission of the creator into his notion of "stealing"/plagiarism, but that's an entrely different issue. i doubt hboy asked James Somerton for permission (just a hunch, lol), because obviously he shoudn't have to. and what if James actually got permission from the people he plagiarized? he'd still be lying to his audience and contribute to queer erasure.
       
 (DIR) Post #AcR7POXGvE0nZyKES0 by sofia@chaos.social
       2023-12-03T11:26:48Z
       
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       i don't think you should need permission the create derivative works. i do like to be notified when others use my (public domain) works, but i don't see how this could be a right.one objection i could imagine is artists who want to be anonymous. should you credit them? i think so, credit them as anonymous artists. obviously you shoudn't doxx them, but claiming/implying you made it yourself is still fraudulent.
       
 (DIR) Post #AcR7PPGIDq1ZpbOBcm by sofia@chaos.social
       2023-12-03T11:27:34Z
       
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       i suspect part of the reason he brings in permission, is to support the "generative AI is plagiarism" narrative, which i think is largely bunk. but that doesn't mean it can't be used plagiarize. the "create image in style of XYZ" feature is a good example: if you do that, you are very explicitely basing the result on a specific persons work, and i think that calls for credit (obviously you shoudn't claim that they _made_ it, but that it's generated to be in their style, just be frickin honest…).
       
 (DIR) Post #AcR7PQFGZ8nUshusfA by elosha@chaos.social
       2023-12-03T12:14:50Z
       
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       @sofia Fact: Out there on social media is an army of imposters, scammers and „collectors“ who copy content from original content creators without consent. Either to have many followers or to impersonate someone. They pretend to have forgotten the creators, or to be the one.Now it is even harder to fight them off: Not only can everyone easily remove watermarks, but the newest method is to let AI redraw the photo or swap your face so it‘s no longer „you“. Platforms pretend it‘s not your artwork.
       
 (DIR) Post #AcR7PRKcWifsFbQfeC by sofia@chaos.social
       2023-12-03T15:16:37Z
       
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       @elosha yeah, that sucks.i think what would help there would be community-run annotation services with browser extensions, where people can add the original work to any website via the address.i imagine it would work somewhat like sponsorblock. i guess it will only work on platforms where posts have some sort of ID/address but i think that's true for most content farms and the like…image recognition a'la CLIP also seems like it would also be pretty handy detecting image plagiarism.
       
 (DIR) Post #AcRACb0HYTY6LUU1Tc by meowski@fluf.club
       2023-12-03T15:54:07.062486Z
       
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       @elosha @sofia imposters, kind of like men pretending to be women 💅