Post AbyNmolzVBefIPYyVE by lupus_blackfur@mastodon.world
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(DIR) Post #AbyKlP9GzJsTff5UX2 by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-11-19T18:05:33Z
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Oh. Looks like people are (once again) figuring out that silicon valley and effective altruism and longtermism and the rest are all bound up root to ass with eugenics and white supremacy.So: Welcome to the party; there are a LOT of academic, researchers, and people witj direct lived experience, already here.
(DIR) Post #AbyLctZUbh9zNErFmC by jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io
2023-11-19T18:15:05Z
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@Wolven for the people just now discovering Silicon Valley's eugenics problem, there's an episode of Tech Won't Save Us that's a very good primer.https://techwontsave.us/episode/155_the_untold_history_of_silicon_valley_w_malcolm_harris
(DIR) Post #AbyLunuSOdTL1hCfYm by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-11-19T18:18:29Z
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@jenniferplusplus i always recommend @CyborgApologist's dissertation'Morphological Freedom and the Construction of Bodymind Malleability from Eugenics to Transhumanism'https://vtechworks.lib.vt.edu/handle/10919/107009
(DIR) Post #AbyNK6g5qxICQf78BU by Aviva_Gary@noc.social
2023-11-19T18:34:31Z
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@Wolven So they are waking up... yay!
(DIR) Post #AbyNmolzVBefIPYyVE by lupus_blackfur@mastodon.world
2023-11-19T18:39:28Z
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@Wolven I will say...The moment I see/hear the terms "effective altruism" and/or "longtermism" from any entity, I'm out. Finito.You've embraced the lingo of the utter loon and are no longer worthy of my attention nor consideration.Fuck right off.
(DIR) Post #AbyV1C2qTRofCoFSk4 by thomasbeagle@mastodon.nz
2023-11-19T20:00:22Z
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@Wolven Life got simpler once I realised that most political philosophies dreamed up by the privileged are an attempt to justify their privilege by ignoring its roots. #RecoveringLibertarian
(DIR) Post #AbyYNpSGvcuDfQcuhc by negative12dollarbill@techhub.social
2023-11-19T20:38:12Z
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@Wolven A lot of people in tech "know" that some "races" are more intelligent, or more violent etc. than others. They think that it's a simple scientific fact which can be measured and reduced to numbers, and that mainstream society has simply decided it's not polite to talk about, the way we wouldn't stare at a person with a facial deformity or remark on someone with poor personal hygiene. When they get together with other "rational" people who "know" these same things they feel free to say it out loud.
(DIR) Post #AbyYnsPyXDfoNyyNqC by tine_schreibt@literatur.social
2023-11-19T20:42:47Z
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@Wolven For anyone who doesn't know what 'effective #altruism' and '#longtermism' mean, there's a video by @rebeccawatson where she explains them - and why they are really fucking problematic - in simple terms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO9kHkOKBUk
(DIR) Post #AbyePlTzGfnxeRje7c by cyberlyra@hachyderm.io
2023-11-19T21:45:43Z
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@Wolven We have been explaining this repeatedly for years. Like voices in the wilderness. While I'm glad they are finally listening this is so exhausting to go through this over and over again. If only that would translate into action like mass exodus from their toxic tools too. Because there is no separation.
(DIR) Post #Abyf9AotuY9pGUAb2W by volkris@qoto.org
2023-11-19T21:53:56Z
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@Wolven the key is that central management of society is always destined to fail because of the unsolvable problem of managing the diversity of values in the population.So in the end it doesn’t even matter whether the person proposing such a regime is a good person or a bad person, it’s not going to work, and it needs to be immediately rejected.It’s only icing on that cake that people proposing to control others tend to be, well, not the greatest of people.After all they are proposing supremacy of one form or another. Whether white supremacy or some other supremacy, well you’re already through that door.
(DIR) Post #AbyfAsxPINweRYxt0y by virtuous_sloth@cosocial.ca
2023-11-19T21:54:21Z
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@BrianWolven I really don't understand how all those things become brainworms for people superficially like me (white, cis-male, hetero, ...). I've met far too many people like me (in those superficial ways) who are less than mediocre (intellectually) and many people who aren't like me (in those superficial ways) who are smart/brilliant/creative. I lament all the lost creative energy from those whose ideas get ignored in favour of brainworm ideas like these.
(DIR) Post #Abyiq8gE2iEUwVI7Ps by harish@hachyderm.io
2023-11-19T22:35:21Z
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@Wolven Gasp
(DIR) Post #Abyo0mkARRjZre1yb2 by edyoung@mastodon.online
2023-11-19T23:33:19Z
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@Wolven Effective Altruism is to altruism as National Socialism is to socialism
(DIR) Post #AbyrXtt5CZppRHgQ40 by wavdl@sfba.social
2023-11-19T23:23:43Z
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@tine_schreibt @Wolven @rebeccawatson thanks for sharing this video! I think I mostly agree with it's contents, but it doesn't seem to say what you're saying.The main culprit of the bad things discussed seems to be longtermism, which itself is a fairly extreme view, as well as an *extreme* adherence to effective altruism, and utilitarianism. She even summarizes at the end "moderation in all things" and "I still believe in critically evaluating the effectiveness of our charity", which does not suggest that effective altruism is an inherently problematic idea.Anyways, I'm mostly sharing here because I must be missing some context about what recently occurred to spark this very vague thread, so if anyone has more resources explaining why effective altruism is bad, or what recently happened, please do share.
(DIR) Post #AbyrXwHyH0vot3LK8O by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-11-20T00:12:54Z
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@wavdl @tine_schreibt @rebeccawatson effective altruism is founded on the same bed as eugenics, hope that helps
(DIR) Post #AbyxbeNjOQQUETBq88 by wavdl@sfba.social
2023-11-20T01:20:45Z
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@Wolven @tine_schreibt @rebeccawatson that does not help at all 👍
(DIR) Post #AbyyjtFq52mId7zWxE by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-11-20T01:33:30Z
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@wavdl in addition to the other links in other parts of this thread, here's this: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C34&q=%22eugenics%22+%22effective+altruism%22&btnG=
(DIR) Post #AbzrzKrFEGOc3xri4m by scobiform@mastodon.social
2023-11-20T11:52:34Z
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@Wolven How do we end up in the same mess all the time. 🤔🐈