Post Abu4iNnRBQOGi3ZVGC by tek@freeradical.zone
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(DIR) Post #AbtxvyHI9qJHwN4HvU by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T15:31:09Z
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People advocating letting Trump win to “teach Democrats a lesson” about Israel and Palestine astound me. What’s Trump’s position here? “Former President Donald Trump suggested the US take a hands-off approach to the Israel-Hamas war during an interview with Univision”.So, to punish a hands-off approach, let’s elect someone with… a hands-off approach? And who is also anti-LGBT, anti-non-white, anti-abortion, anti-democracy? Yeah, that sounds like a *great* idea.
(DIR) Post #Abty0dRD4Gxikovn0a by teh_dude@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T15:32:00Z
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@tek selling weapons isn't a hands off approach
(DIR) Post #AbtyLqep74CZpqPjIO by danjac@masto.ai
2023-11-17T15:35:45Z
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@tek as with the UK, the suffering of Israelis and Palestinians is just a convenient backdrop to our own faction fights and psychodrama.
(DIR) Post #AbtyOgPJgANEuiVpYm by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T15:36:21Z
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I’m not happy with how we’re handling things, either. But electing a fascist who’s committed to the same position we oppose here (well, *this* week; maybe he’ll advocating for bombing the whole region tomorrow; who knows) *and* wants to actively take rights away from my friends, neighbors, and loved ones, makes zero sense to me. Nah, dawg, I’m not walking that road.
(DIR) Post #AbtyV2OCrZaspN1VWy by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T15:37:28Z
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@teh_dude True, but do you genuinely, truly believe Trump wouldn’t sell weapons to Israel?
(DIR) Post #AbtyXqkCcGZnZyeWyO by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T15:38:02Z
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@danjac Sadly true.
(DIR) Post #Abtye4ID9jXZKwWcvw by teh_dude@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T15:39:06Z
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@tek nope, i just think that in terms of palestine the united states' parties have an agreement on policy and that if we want something to change about it then arguing about trump vs biden is not gonna cut it
(DIR) Post #Abtz3HfeYO004GVuyG by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T15:43:40Z
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@teh_dude I get that, I really do. But you and I don’t get to pick the rules, except to campaign for other people in the primaries. If Trump and Biden are the 2 on the ballot in 2024, and both see eye to eye on Palestine, then I’m picking the one that’s better in every other way.(Mathematically, 3rd parties only exist as spoilers in the US today. I’m not going to vote for one of them when the GOP is likely to be united in supporting their candidate.)
(DIR) Post #AbtzHLYMuoIcABoPgG by teh_dude@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T15:46:14Z
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@tek yeah, i get the calculus of choosing the least bad choice. of course i do. i'm just frustrated because choosing the least bad choice is framed as this moral queer rights thing when trans people in palestine are being blown up and most of the funding for bibi's fascist bullshit comes from the american evangelical far right as well as neolib institutions like the military industrial complex (something biden is very firmly "pro")
(DIR) Post #AbtzSwHYhN4PGGTdnk by alltherum@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T15:48:19Z
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@tek The math on this was quite easy (if unpleasant) for me:Point 1) We're engaged by proxy in the wholesale devastation of 2.3 to 5.3 million people. Our current regime finds this unsavory but acceptable.Point 2) Deposing our current regime accepts the devastation of those same people, as well as the 15% identifying as non-cishet, the 40% identifying as non-white, and the 65% who aren't Evangelical. For point 2, those numbers vastly expand outside our borders as well.
(DIR) Post #Abtzwcc4OOlywiE0EC by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T15:53:39Z
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@teh_dude This whole situation sucks. If Trump had a viable plan to end the violence, then there would be something to weigh, like which of these priorities do we care more about? But his supporters tend to be extremely pro-Israel. He’s not going to say a peep about it. I think this is one area where the Dems and Reps are tied: they’re approximately equally bad. I just can’t imagine “punishing” or protesting the Dems here by electing a Rep that’s no less bad.
(DIR) Post #Abu0FY6nMdKITgcbTM by teh_dude@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T15:57:07Z
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@tek it's really funny that we're talking about "punishing the dems" like their some kind of machine learning model that needs to be reminded we can turn up the heat and diffuse out their weights until they get machine learning dementia and have to start paying attention to a different parameter
(DIR) Post #Abu0MVKA7B6xrxBre4 by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T15:58:22Z
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@alltherum That’s it. If point 2 were “end the devastation but be otherwise despicable”, there would be room to argue about which was more important (while acknowledging that it’s a crappy choice to have to make).I’m not happy with point 1, at all, but point 2 is a set of all of point 1’s badness plus more. No thanks.
(DIR) Post #Abu0WwZ5gmUNFc9QEy by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T16:00:13Z
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@teh_dude Hah! Yes.But that’s actually an excellent analogy, isn’t it?
(DIR) Post #Abu0mxrWdKG3uLPfKy by teh_dude@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T16:03:10Z
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@tek machine learning models are bloatware, but they're kind of cool
(DIR) Post #Abu1rbqg0Uk12GnKgC by freakazoid@retro.social
2023-11-17T16:15:10Z
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@tek You deny the agency of the Democratic party. The voters aren't the one creating this situation.
(DIR) Post #Abu20IL5uak78PADmi by freakazoid@retro.social
2023-11-17T16:16:43Z
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@tek It's not about teaching the Democrats a lesson. It's about drawing a line in the sand. Somewhere. If not at genocide, then WHERE?
(DIR) Post #Abu3BQ5bXMNMJKms7M by redlilrascal@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T16:29:59Z
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@tek as a non american, voting for genocidal democrats who didnt even close the border concentration camps is the most insane thing ive ever heard. Yall cant even deal with people, most of whom will eventually fall in line anyway, threatening to withhold their vote more than a year out from the election when your president supports genocide without having a mental breakdown. You cant expect brown people to support a president actively funding the killing of their brothers and sisters.
(DIR) Post #Abu43SGleDogi3m5c8 by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T16:39:43Z
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The US election system, with its obsolete electoral college, gerrymandering, and voter suppression laws, is biased toward Republicans. Biden beat Trump by 11 D voters to every 10 R voters and it was still neck-and-neck.The old saying that "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line" largely holds. Reps will say "he's not perfect, but he'll come around." Dems say "he's not perfect, so I'm wasting my vote on Jill 'Mad Rootin for Vlad Putin' Stein".
(DIR) Post #Abu4NFpbbNkHvQVjlY by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T16:43:18Z
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Reps will overlook the 5% disagreement and vote anyway. Dems will overlook the 95% agreement and vote contrarian. In a perfect world, fine. This isn’t a perfect world. In 2016, Trump had only 95% as many voters as Clinton, but the system gave him the win. This is a really bad time for ideological purity tests *where the alternative fails all the same tests, plus many more*.
(DIR) Post #Abu4btLBVIvgW1GGPY by hobbsc@social.sdf.org
2023-11-17T16:45:57Z
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@tek thanks for spoilering political posts.
(DIR) Post #Abu4iMIYkk64407KUa by redlilrascal@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T16:37:34Z
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@tek calling trump a fascist is fine but if you think hes a fascist what do you call the administration in power now that expanded almost every worst fascist policy done by trump? Biden is still building the border wall, hes increased funding to israel, he has expanded the border concentration camps, he has increased funding for ukraine to send more men to their deaths, he couldnt even cancel student debt properly, attacks on queer folk and women expanded, weeds still federally illegal...
(DIR) Post #Abu4iN57qAweUcq7Bw by 4bz@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T16:45:16Z
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@redlilrascal @tek American elections be like:Okay, do you vote for Hitler or Mussolini? Any vote not for one of these two is a vote for the worse one
(DIR) Post #Abu4iNnRBQOGi3ZVGC by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T16:47:05Z
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@4bz @redlilrascal Sadly, that’s the system today. We can, should, *must* change that system, but that isn’t going to happen in the next year.
(DIR) Post #Abu4n39PN2gS7t4d84 by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T16:47:58Z
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@hobbsc You bet. My frustration today doesn’t need to be everyone else’s unless they want it to be.
(DIR) Post #Abu9tYgXXTpTR8Ufcu by redlilrascal@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T17:45:11Z
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@tek @4bz you cant change a bourgeois dictatorship while acting inside of it, every radical change in america was because of people organizing outside of the party system and threatening the state with revolutionary violence. Civil rights in the 60s, labour in the 40s, slavery in the 1800s, etc
(DIR) Post #Abu9ubvgxhZTmx5Blg by erosdiscordia@inkdrop.space
2023-11-17T17:44:24Z
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@tek Anyone who thinks "teaching Boden a lesson" (about anything) is more important than trans lives is an asshole.A giant regressive asshole.
(DIR) Post #AbuAEzgqKYjxGvrB6u by tek@freeradical.zone
2023-11-17T17:49:01Z
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@erosdiscordia To a rounding error, it appears our options this time are Biden or Trump. Biden consistently votes to keep my neighbors, friends, and family safe and legally protected. Damn straight I’m voting for him, even if I disagree with some of his other positions.
(DIR) Post #AbuAckYcFGOFHyKuI4 by unlofl@mstdn.social
2023-11-17T17:53:09Z
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@tek Never in the history of the united states has a party learned any kind of lesson from not getting votes.Look at the obnoxious "why won't young people vote?!??" discussions that constantly crop up, thats one of many mechanisms to blame anyone without political power rather than the candidates or party.Or questions about "why would black people vote against their own interests?!" Uh... well, what have the democrats actually done for them lately?
(DIR) Post #AbuDzEuAOU21dxpdSa by erosdiscordia@inkdrop.space
2023-11-17T18:29:32Z
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@tek Agreed.