Post AbtyrmDJAcfpJsliIi by slott56@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AbttCXoDK3gN05YBv6 by sullybiker@sully.site
2023-11-17T14:38:09Z
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From a #sysadmin point of view, #python seems to have got increasingly messy.
(DIR) Post #AbtyrmDJAcfpJsliIi by slott56@fosstodon.org
2023-11-17T15:41:35Z
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@sullybiker details, please. What problems are you seeing?
(DIR) Post #AbtzGfx3ad5l8b2XKa by sullybiker@sully.site
2023-11-17T15:46:07Z
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@slott56 It's mainly people trying to use modules and certain system libraries not being there. Didn't use to come up much, had about three this week.
(DIR) Post #AbtzJQwxozcfTpJNQW by sullybiker@sully.site
2023-11-17T15:46:38Z
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@slott56 It is not the base packages causing the problem. They're fine.
(DIR) Post #AbtzQTl1mWjUDM5Vzc by sullybiker@sully.site
2023-11-17T15:47:53Z
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@slott56 Some of this is ubuntu-isms; i.e. development being targeted at the most popular platforms (because those are the images the devs are using) and that environment not fully translating to enterprise linux offerings.
(DIR) Post #Abu0fupdVC5aTwAUDo by sullybiker@sully.site
2023-11-17T16:01:53Z
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@slott56 Secondly, some LTS distributions carry python versions that reach end-of-life well within the LTS window, like Python 3.8 is EOL next year for security updates, a full year before Ubuntu 20.04 reaches EOL.
(DIR) Post #Abu5oMoDroUvL5M9Am by slott56@fosstodon.org
2023-11-17T16:59:25Z
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@sullybiker as Python’s popularity continues to grow, there will be adjustments, I’m sure. The analytics/data science toolkit involves a very tall tech stack and innovations at a rapid tempo. To me, it sounds like these kinds of problems may be trending.
(DIR) Post #Abu5snz2m5YOmHXAie by sullybiker@sully.site
2023-11-17T17:00:14Z
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@slott56 Yes, It's mainly data scientists bringing up the issues...
(DIR) Post #Abu9hDSEeGpy7Euwca by slott56@fosstodon.org
2023-11-17T17:42:57Z
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@sullybiker spent a bunch of years with them. We strongly encouraged the use of conda (either full Anaconda or miniconda). And spent a lot of time making sure they could build virtual environments. It was banking and regulatory oversight meant reproducibility. And constant retesting and retraining with new versions. And. No disclosures to mere mortal devs. Trade secrets. And. Customer info. We could help but we couldn’t touch. Or see.
(DIR) Post #Abu9yZerLiH9tz6DgW by sullybiker@sully.site
2023-11-17T17:46:05Z
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@slott56 I am a huge, huge fan of conda for this reason.
(DIR) Post #AbuAUF6NJPfLPm4Pbc by sullybiker@sully.site
2023-11-17T17:51:50Z
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@slott56 The field is outpacing the packaged software, at an unprecedented rate. This isn't a new problem, but it keeps us in work...