Post AbsKU0ycRIrepe3JwW by SebastienK@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #Aap5QhkJKvCkE7XEhs by EU_Commission@social.network.europa.eu
2023-10-16T09:08:48Z
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We want to make sustainable and circular products the norm in the #EU.We adopted new recommendations to facilitate the return of phones, tablets, and laptops. They include:- Financial incentives- Tools to estimate their value for buy-back- Easy ways to return and collect them- Better convenience and visibility of collection pointsWe can all benefit from giving devices new life or reusing their precious materials.A circular economy for us, our Planet.→ https://europa.eu/!nYJhJf
(DIR) Post #Aap66VynTQufteFP96 by expat@mamot.fr
2023-10-16T09:16:30Z
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@EU_Commission Meh… it’s a good start but with #smartphones it misses the problem: proprietary #nonfreesoftware. Perfectly good hardware is still being destroyed with this _recommendation_. Why not recommend a #rightToRepair solution that blocks the sale of phones running non-free software so that consumers can use their phones for as long as the hardware lasts?
(DIR) Post #Aap7KHIUQKtjxtP0vg by Lamaskier@mograph.social
2023-10-16T09:30:13Z
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@EU_Commission have you heard of @Fairphone you shoud make them the official phone of the EU
(DIR) Post #Aap7la0GyzHFnets5A by Kebablog@mastodon.online
2023-10-16T09:35:07Z
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@EU_Commission My pile of old iPhones waves hello. I do need to sort them at some point, but as I'm in the UK I'm sure we'll have a dumbed down version of the policy that benefits the Tory party somehow.
(DIR) Post #AapFUJriWsxUSXB9do by jschwart@mas.to
2023-10-16T11:01:39Z
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@EU_Commission a colleague recently gave me his old phones that he was about to throw away. They still work fine for my purposes.Recycling material alone is not enough. We need more efforts to promote and allow reusing old devices as-is. Easy replaceable batteries and hardware specifications to write replacement software are aspects that are lacking.The device in your photo is quite advanced and could run up to date software and still be useful if the right documentation would be available.
(DIR) Post #AapGe5WIotwOolNt4q by amauryco@mastodon.world
2023-10-16T11:14:38Z
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@EU_Commission this is good but before "recycling", what about giving a second life to computers by using Linux.
(DIR) Post #AapIt576oSS9oFsSHo by thomholwerda@social.tchncs.de
2023-10-16T11:39:44Z
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@EU_Commission Using a photo of a Blackberry device here is genius, because there are hundreds of thousands of perfectly functioning Blackberry phones that are useless because Blackberry turned off their servers and doesn't allow anyone else to set up a third party one.
(DIR) Post #AapJCBufkzbyOqAkvA by c0nfigurati0n@social.lol
2023-10-16T11:43:01Z
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@EU_Commission @primonatura @primonatura.co.uk
(DIR) Post #AapMXCyLJVsbd1bQ5Q by stamberry@mastodon.nl
2023-10-16T12:18:28Z
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@EU_Commission Enforce opening the software, at least after the manufacturer stops giving security updates.Today it is still possible, that you buy new phone in the shop, that will not receive any security updates (or very few) at all.Lack of software support is the biggest problem.
(DIR) Post #AapNCvs5Hj1WklZRzs by DrewMontagna@mastodon.social
2023-10-16T12:28:12Z
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@EU_Commission Manufacturers should be required to buy back all old electronics and have recycling facilities in order to break down and recycle all the parts of their devices.
(DIR) Post #AapRuV8QS28GOFFFgW by fdlamotte@mamot.fr
2023-10-16T13:20:46Z
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@EU_Commission please support @postmarketOS trying to extend the life of old phones (lots of devs are EU citizens btw)
(DIR) Post #AapTRff2R7tcXvsbdw by mmalc@mastodon.social
2023-10-16T13:38:01Z
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@EU_Commission https://www.apple.com/environment/https://www.apple.com/shop/trade-in
(DIR) Post #Aaq7XTy2p0VSBS5zUG by Etienne_ArNoz@framapiaf.org
2023-10-16T21:07:19Z
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@EU_CommissionOne effitient way to make it last is to ensure brands to open hardware specs and software code, at least when support is abandonned
(DIR) Post #Aarr2rml0Vly7t7Cvg by fell@ma.fellr.net
2023-10-17T17:11:54Z
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@EU_Commission Phones and other devices are not packaging material. They are not single-use. This is going the wrong direction.Ever wondered why laptop recycling isn't a problem? Because you can install any operating system on an old laptop, and still get some use out of it. If phones weren't artifically locked down by vendors, then old phones could still serve as security cameras, smart home interfaces, servers, and many other applications. Maybe not for average people, but there's enough nerds out there who could use an old phone instead of a Raspberry Pi.The EU should apply pressure to vendors to release driver and kernel source code at the end of their devices lifespan, so users can run a free operating system and do literally anything with the hardware.
(DIR) Post #AartlHUN0HWCUgoxyy by schmaker@schmaker.eu
2023-10-17T17:40:57Z
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@EU_Commission Hey, #EU , check all the common sense here in comments .. I'd say after USB-C you have new job to do that whole world would benefit of
(DIR) Post #AazAGuurQFn37r2RSi by vandenberglegs@mastodon.social
2023-10-19T03:41:24Z
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@fell @EU_Commission I have 2 hand-me-down ipads that "work", but are completely useless as the installed software is dead and new software won't install. Can't even use them for watching videos...
(DIR) Post #AazAHE0sQ6tMM100ye by fell@ma.fellr.net
2023-10-20T06:48:23Z
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@vandenberglegs @EU_Commission The @postmarketOS is aiming to change that, by providing an operating system for old devices. But they haven't had any luck with #Apple devices yet. Maybe some day... 🤞
(DIR) Post #AazAHEvwzuXtD1hawC by bart@mastodon.fam-ribbers.com
2023-10-21T05:50:44Z
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@fell @vandenberglegs @EU_Commission @postmarketOS Haven't had any luck with Apple devices? What?https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Apple_iPhone_7/7%2B_(apple-iphone7)https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Apple_iPhone_6s/6s%2B_(apple-iphone6s) https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Apple_iPhone_6_(apple-iphone6) https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Apple_iPad_1G_(apple-ipad1g)
(DIR) Post #AazHr6gdpu1Zjgaibw by fell@ma.fellr.net
2023-10-21T07:15:46Z
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@bart @vandenberglegs @EU_Commission @postmarketOS Oh I didn't know that! But it looks like only the display works, which is a start! 🎉
(DIR) Post #Ab2126jcsjzHK9Wj20 by EchteNachtraaf@mastodon.social
2023-10-22T14:51:01Z
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@EU_Commission you need to encourage manufacturers to respect our right to repair devices and discourage planned obsolescence, even in its more insidious forms such as no more (security) updates, inaccessible hardware which requires specialised tools to repair (if repairable at all), flimsy designs and components that fail, on average, right after the warranty ends, even if they haven't been programmed as such.
(DIR) Post #AbsKTyiErEZboGND8K by SebastienK@mastodon.social
2023-10-16T10:30:12Z
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@Lamaskier have you ever heard of the iPhone? It's even greener than a Fairphone. The EU could copy a lot from Apple. Not only on sustainability. 🤷🏽♂️https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU4vv7qCQvg@EU_Commission @Fairphone
(DIR) Post #AbsKTzsCXg8XPS2gIi by expat@mamot.fr
2023-10-22T14:13:04Z
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@SebastienK @Fairphone @EU_Commission @Lamaskier Can’t see the video ATM but #Foxconn is the iPhone supplier who comes under fire for poor/unfair labor conditions.
(DIR) Post #AbsKU0ycRIrepe3JwW by SebastienK@mastodon.social
2023-10-22T15:44:33Z
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@expat @Fairphone @EU_Commission @LamaskierIf you wanna go that route I would suggest to watch the video It’s weird how people always point to Apple for this. Mostly tooting from phones made in way worse conditions. 🤷🏽♂️
(DIR) Post #AbsKU1xEnvLzrePjQe by Lamaskier@mograph.social
2023-10-22T16:27:19Z
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@SebastienK @expat @Fairphone @EU_Commission yeah but here fairphone is the most clean in terms of conditions. This video is on their side. It says all good things about them. 1 time mentions that Apple is maybe better because they recicle on a larger scale. But that doesn't mean fairphone is bad.
(DIR) Post #AbsKU2p7ZaSIYlclPs by SebastienK@mastodon.social
2023-10-22T17:35:11Z
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@Lamaskier @expat @Fairphone @EU_Commission did I say Fairphone is bad? It’s about the power you have to make changes. Apple has that power and uses it. That’s the story 🤷🏽♂️And you clearly did not watch the video if you understood it’s the most clean. Apple is cleaner because of the scale 🤷🏽♂️
(DIR) Post #AbsKU3Ux43uqeVCAcK by expat@mamot.fr
2023-11-16T18:06:56Z
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@SebastienK @EU_Commission @Fairphone @Lamaskier #Fairphone clearly comes out ahead in that video w.r.t the environement (as well as having suicide-free supply chains). Apple doesn’t make effective use of its influence. The only thing in Apple’s favor was the robotic disassembly ad that circulated 10 years ago. Fairphone already 1-ups that by supplying software updates that extend the life beyond Apple’s by a factor of 2-3.
(DIR) Post #AbsKU4LPuzspHDk4OW by expat@mamot.fr
2023-11-16T18:10:43Z
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@Lamaskier @Fairphone @EU_Commission @SebastienK It’s not the phone maker’s responsibility to scale, that’s on us, the consumers. It’s clear that if we buy Fairphones into the millions the scale would go to a more sustainable supplier who would make more effective use of the muscle it gives them. Apple is the wrong company to feed.
(DIR) Post #AbsKU6XBmCUK4JGV1M by expat@mamot.fr
2023-11-16T18:15:46Z
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@SebastienK @EU_Commission @Fairphone @Lamaskier Apple is an example of unsustainability because their closed system is not only short lived but also hostile toward community projects to extend the usefulness of the hardware. Apple has a clientel of millions selling devices repeatedly to the same people for 3—4 figures ea. and yet w/that revenue they still have not figured out how to make the sw outlast the hw. That’s pitiful.
(DIR) Post #AbsKU8a6AM0IPudqpk by expat@mamot.fr
2023-11-16T18:16:44Z
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@Lamaskier @Fairphone @EU_Commission @SebastienK In general, recycling is only better than land-filling. It’s still 2nd to reuse.
(DIR) Post #AbsKUAaAj3FccigwE4 by expat@mamot.fr
2023-11-16T18:22:30Z
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@SebastienK @EU_Commission @Fairphone @Lamaskier What happens with the old iPhones? My family is sitting on a pile of them because the phone buyback resellers have no interest in iPhones that are so old that no one would want to use them with the OS that’s trapped on them. The local mall has a phone buyback vending machine which offers zero for an iPhone 5. How would this pile of iPhones even make it to that disassembly robot?