Post AbsDN7kIAuQS7S7P3w by alexelcu@social.alexn.org
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(DIR) Post #AbrrVUOZeLblguXlmi by alexelcu@social.alexn.org
2023-11-16T15:09:42Z
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Year of the #Linux desktop will never happen because there will always be another systemd, Snap, PulseAudio or Wayland migration, that breaks people's setup, taking years before the dust settles, only for the cycle to repeat.Windows+WSL2 is probably the least broken Linux desktop because at least you can have a conference call. And when the Wi-fi breaks on Windows, you do have to fiddle with 2 Control Panels, observed by MS telemetry, but at least you don't have to recompile the kernel.
(DIR) Post #AbrsoYJjOO5zJKvs1I by fbievan@social.linux.pizza
2023-11-16T15:24:20Z
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@alexelcu What issues have u had?
(DIR) Post #Abrt3rhdbE67mIPrXM by MylesRyden@social.vivaldi.net
2023-11-16T15:26:49Z
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@alexelcu It seems to me that the step before your observation is that Linux is pretty much never pre-installed on computers. We already know the tremendous inertia that the default option has on people.It also has an impact on the rest of your observation. When I was a Windows user, I would upgrade until things seemed to be not working very well. Sure, i would bitch about Windows, but mostly assumed my machine was out of date. Buy a new machine -- new version of Windows works again!Now that I am a Linux user (on a 10+ year old machine!) I am much more sensitive to software changes. I know my machine works today, so if it doesn't work tomorrow it must be a software change. For example over the last month my machine turns itself with the lid closed in sleep mode, even when the battery is OK. Must be a bug somewhere. 🙂 If computers came with no OS installed then we could more robustly complain that Linux has no traction on the desktop.
(DIR) Post #Abrt6MxGNNh9Hdv1ua by deech@mastodon.social
2023-11-16T15:27:32Z
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@alexelcu Besides printer drivers and an unfortunate nvidia story I've haven't had issues with Linux on the desktop in close to a decade.
(DIR) Post #AbrtXDBIp1e2n3Hjoe by adymitruk@techhub.social
2023-11-16T15:32:17Z
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@alexelcu running my business on Linux desktop for nearly a decade
(DIR) Post #Abru1yrQ7FRPLueniq by pipoprods@fosstodon.org
2023-11-16T15:37:57Z
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@alexelcu It's so wrong… People who just want something that works get it from a Linux computer and never have to deal with such migrations. Debian upgrades are straightforward, don't require any kind of migration and you can even use the computer while upgrading.On the other side, my wife always has issues when coming back from work with a laptop. Can't connect to VPN, has to restart Windows, takes (tens of) minutes to reboot. Productivity software… hum hum…
(DIR) Post #AbruMncV6Tb2ZUbcCe by WindOfChange@mastodon.online
2023-11-16T15:41:42Z
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@alexelcu never had to recompile kernel for wifi.
(DIR) Post #AbrvhVJKTJEFp14iGW by mah@fosstodon.org
2023-11-16T15:56:40Z
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@alexelcu I'm sorry but if your interpretation of innovation and improvement by work of volunteers is something negative, you're just not as smart as you might think you are.Post is felled with buzzwords and negative nonsense, no one is forcing you to use anything and to cut off the rest, use what works for you, keep getting abused by your corporate gods and leave us community maintainers be, people like you should quit nagging about how awful their skills are. Smile.
(DIR) Post #Abs53XRw6E6YPhgNSS by IsomorphicDude@fosstodon.org
2023-11-16T17:41:30Z
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@alexelcu as a Linux user (both desktop and server) for nearly 2 decades I can't agree more.
(DIR) Post #Abs72nMVeSVTNruwyW by 16bit@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-11-16T18:03:45Z
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@alexelcu I recently upgraded Ubuntu 9.04 (Hannah Montana Linux) to 22.04 which included all of those changes and then some (another init system in the middle, grub to grub2, conversion from i386 to amd64). For the most part it was transparent as far as any typical desktop user would see. Stuff did break here and there, but nothing related to those (usually X11). Most transitional packages have been very good, especially in the last decade.
(DIR) Post #Abs9DGktQGi7LkRdwm by JD557@blog.joaocosta.eu
2023-11-16T16:41:24Z
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@alexelcu@social.alexn.orgAs a somewhat heavy Windows user (all my personal projects have been developed on Windows for the past ~3 years), I don't get all the praise WSL2 gets.Maybe it's something wrong in my setup, but I had so many problems with WSL2 (mostly from the memory usage and slow file system access) that I now just do everything on vanilla Windows. This was particularly bad when compiling Scala Native binaries (I guess the sbt + LLVM double whammy was too much too handle).Also, if I don't call wsl --shutdown it just keeps running on the background, so my computer would sometimes just be super slow for no apparent reason.I won't lie, I've had my share or problems with Linux, but I do feel like WSL2 is way overhyped.
(DIR) Post #Abs9DHZEP6ybrrzqPQ by alexelcu@social.alexn.org
2023-11-16T18:28:04Z
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@JD557 Might depend on usage patterns or hardware. WSL v1 was definitely doing I/O via NTFS (or smth), and it was terrible. WSL2's I/O should definitely improve over that.IDK, I'm using macOS nowadays, having ocazional Linux/Windows work. Occasionally, I'm thinking of what it would take to switch back to Linux full time, but then another Wayland story snaps me back to reality.
(DIR) Post #Abs9kVfUzu0R9qlwB6 by alexelcu@social.alexn.org
2023-11-16T18:34:07Z
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@16bit It probably depends a lot on the hardware. If I'll get another laptop, I'll do more research. In the meantime, I have an older Lenovo Thinkpad, which was well supported, but after the last Ubuntu install, the Wi-fi disconnects after an hour or two. It doesn't reconnect on its own, so I'm having issues using this as an always-on machine for remote connectivity.
(DIR) Post #AbsAlaIhMOcDlhBS7c by alexelcu@social.alexn.org
2023-11-16T18:45:31Z
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@deech Nvidia was a nightmare, I learned my lesson to avoid it for Linux. It's FOSS drivers or gtfo.This rant was triggered by the Wi-fi disconnecting on a Thinkpad I have 🙂 Also, since the pandemic, we interviewed people online, and I can count a couple of interviewees with connectivity issues (inability to connect, or share screen). It's always Linux.Probably depends on hardware or personal experience. Was looking for a laptop, but stories w/ getting high DPI working weren't encouraging.
(DIR) Post #AbsAxw8vyZwszEVTFY by alexelcu@social.alexn.org
2023-11-16T18:47:45Z
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@MylesRyden In Romania, plenty of laptops come with no OS, but people just pirate Windows.It's why I keep saying that piracy helped Big Tech to monopolize the market. A similar effect is happening with ad blockers.
(DIR) Post #AbsBXNz0Sa1LSwlZw0 by alexelcu@social.alexn.org
2023-11-16T18:54:09Z
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@pipoprods Debian has always been very stable. The difficult part is the initial setup, as proprietary firmware is (was?) a problem. Another issue was that some packages were updated only with security patches, and sometimes, you want fresher packages. Solid distro, though.I have a 10-year-old Windows laptop that still works. I have absolutely no love for Windows, but if you keep the crap away (viruses, anti-viruses), you can keep it stable.
(DIR) Post #AbsDN7kIAuQS7S7P3w by alexelcu@social.alexn.org
2023-11-16T19:14:42Z
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@mah Linux is not immune to criticism. FYI, a majority of contributions are funded by corporations. I do understand that there are awesome contributors out there, volunteering. But I'm not criticising people or their skills. That's you misinterpreting or projecting.This is my personal timeline, not a support group or an issue tracker. Speaking of netiquette, when someone expresses frustration with a piece of software, don't respond with an insult. It's bad manners.
(DIR) Post #AbsHs1lar24QMxibp2 by fbievan@social.linux.pizza
2023-11-16T19:43:16Z
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@alexelcu what hardware have you used and in what case did you have to compile the kernel in WiFi?Want to know since I might have to note that for future projects and stuff.
(DIR) Post #AbsHs2hjMsZhHGv2RM by alexelcu@social.alexn.org
2023-11-16T20:05:06Z
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@fbievan A few years back, I had an obvious problem with the firmware in Debian.Nowadays, I have an older (but still capable) Thinkpad with Wi-Fi that was working before, but now it keeps disconnecting after 1-2 hours, without reconnecting, needing manual intervention (turn wifi off and on). Truth is, I don't know what the problem or the solution are, needs investigation.
(DIR) Post #AbsNyIqoqcc2olXRYm by fbievan@social.linux.pizza
2023-11-16T21:13:27Z
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@alexelcu Yeah.... I have had issues with debian in the past.I would recommend checking journalctl to see if anything is being put into there.There's some other things like checking kernel log could help and diagnose the specific issue.
(DIR) Post #Absr4SsBOdlmJCSzT6 by mah@fosstodon.org
2023-11-17T02:39:31Z
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@alexelcu there's no criticism within your post, it's nagging, throwing buzzwords like snap and Wayland hoping to pile on negative attention, you clearly don't know the difference between nagging and criticism. It's bad manners.
(DIR) Post #Abt26l35t9HgktrlgG by alexelcu@social.alexn.org
2023-11-17T04:43:11Z
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@mah You're being rude, and I'm not here to give you the education that your parents should have given you.
(DIR) Post #AbuNL8Dmp5MwsCWT4K by ccozianu@mastodon.social
2023-11-17T20:15:47Z
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@alexelcu Yes, hardware compatibility issues can be a problem, but so is the case with Windows nowadays. Welcome to the "Walmart effect" for personal computing, and it's only going to get worse as profit margins worsen.I switched my (non-techie) wife from Windows to Linux for exactly this reason and she never went back, ymmv.As a talented developer you owe it to yourself not to waste your time with subpar laptops. https://system76.com now ships internationally.