Post Abs94ARZWI8XAV4FWq by supersid333@gearlandia.haus
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(DIR) Post #AbrC8HkoO5pRhglJFA by merchantHelios@poa.st
2023-11-16T07:26:10.237724Z
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MOBAs are an extremely frustrating genre to learn, mostly because by nature of it being a game about racing 2 economies, it's inherently unfair at any non-starting point of a match. Often seriously so
(DIR) Post #AbrOsYZxMdJ0ejVzJQ by Dicer@poa.st
2023-11-16T09:48:59.388713Z
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@merchantHelios Also the fact that you play in a team but the devs for whatever reason do not encourage social behavior. Every one is supposed to know what they should be doing at a given time but no gives an direction in game. Hence in lower level play, having a character that clearly signals the time to commit to something is more important than mastery of mechanics.
(DIR) Post #AbrP45nqB8FgsqVfii by eee@poa.st
2023-11-16T09:51:04.740047Z
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@merchantHelios it takes one bad actor to ruin the game for 9 others
(DIR) Post #AbrjEfG3D7l2pB1VkO by hagposter@poa.st
2023-11-16T13:37:05.178841Z
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@merchantHelios >5 man team games meaning your experience relies on 4 other people>Microphone is practically required>Can't learn against players>Bot matches won't prepare you against players>Game often has matches counting towards some progress bar (ie. unlocks that affect gameplay in LoL or cosmetics in DOTA); if you try to teach someone in a 1v1 setting then that doesn't count for some reason>Queuing with a team makes it so that you face organized Chinese 5 mans>Even if you know the game, long periods of absence means you're relearning several patches and years worth of changes
(DIR) Post #AbrjSSAcfORSHw3kUS by professionalbigot69@poa.st
2023-11-16T13:39:34.774685Z
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@merchantHelios battlefield is the best MOBA
(DIR) Post #AbrjmdV6Fb8zDiGGae by merchantHelios@poa.st
2023-11-16T13:43:12.574769Z
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@hagposter a few of these aren't true, but still. They don't call it 1v9-ing for no reason
(DIR) Post #AbrjpwzKFk84WoynfE by merchantHelios@poa.st
2023-11-16T13:43:49.069422Z
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@professionalbigot69 harsh but fair
(DIR) Post #Abs4UoBrriycCObe08 by deVoid@mugicha.club
2023-11-16T17:35:18.353951Z
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>devs for whatever reason do not encourage social behavior. Honestly I’m not even going to pretend or entertain the idea that this isn’t the average MOBA player’s fault. Do you REALLY want to interact with the guy who starts griefing the second someone misses a last hit?
(DIR) Post #Abs579rtiRy6R5YH1U by Dicer@poa.st
2023-11-16T17:42:14.465433Z
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@deVoid @merchantHelios MOBA players are generally undeveloped people who don't have many problem solving skills.Admitting they are not perfect at the game and acting as if anything less than perfect theoretical play is grounds for dismissing anything you say is ''contrarian for the sake of being contrarian'' levels of behaviour.
(DIR) Post #Abs5BLmZMUC4Xr3goa by deVoid@mugicha.club
2023-11-16T17:42:59.950448Z
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Wait until you learn this is 95% of every player in every game ever.
(DIR) Post #Abs5R1pLK3xRHvpd5M by Dicer@poa.st
2023-11-16T17:45:50.179792Z
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@deVoid @merchantHelios I think the only time I had an inexplicable fit of rage from video games was with League of Legends. And the fact that it happened only with that game told me all I needed to know about the people who play it. IRL buddies of mine threw fits worse than toddlers, screaming at me as if I was some kind of rando who has no connection to them. The genre both attracts and creates those kinds of people who just cannot accept that they can’t win every single time.
(DIR) Post #Abs5R2BK0LXSO67BLM by deVoid@mugicha.club
2023-11-16T17:45:49.754169Z
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Mobas force you to engage in a little temporary 20~60 minute society though with these people, and that’s just a fundamental issue with queuing with randoms. Other games you can just treat the bottom half of the scoreboard as bots filling a position but in a MOBA if anyone is underperforming it’s a huge blow to everyone else’s ability to win.
(DIR) Post #Abs5cghtfkazGCuOMC by deVoid@mugicha.club
2023-11-16T17:47:56.072367Z
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>IRL buddies of mine threw fits worse than toddlers, screaming at me as if I was some kind of rando who has no connection to them. Perception of how other people view the game they’re playing has a lot to do with this. Hating the game and my teamates ruining everything is fitting in for moba players since they likely engage with content that treats the game that way. It’s why a non-toxic learning environment is so important, and also so rare.
(DIR) Post #Abs5nX8jaDLym2dJU8 by Dicer@poa.st
2023-11-16T17:49:54.217196Z
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@deVoid @merchantHelios I also hate how specifically League of Legends taught a bunch of foreign that caustic language is worse than actual misbehaviour. And gave them a retarded vocabulary to do so as well.
(DIR) Post #Abs6312CiYXrpmxeaW by deVoid@mugicha.club
2023-11-16T17:52:41.831922Z
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It’s a shame since conceptually I really like mobas and I enjoy watching them played at a high level, but I can’t really stomach the idea of actually sitting down learning the game without a full 6 man stack of friends lol. It’s not like I’m adverse to the competitive nature of it, I come from fighting games so the opposite is true, it’s just that the average pub/ranked dweller is VILE.
(DIR) Post #Abs6DrklZ7TuEayjLM by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2023-11-16T17:54:38.700292Z
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@Dicer @merchantHelios You are supposed to play as a full pre-made team.
(DIR) Post #Abs6LUj14G8788nVmi by deVoid@mugicha.club
2023-11-16T17:56:01.811707Z
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Man, blizzard made so many horrible design decisions with that game. Usually if your team really needs a certain character and you only know a handful you can try your best to play something not perfect but comfortable and still do well. OverWatch was VERY EXTREMELY matchup oriented for a long time. I stopped paying attention right before the stupid hamster and Brigitte though, so I wouldn’t know nor do I care how the game is now.
(DIR) Post #Abs6kjSTQXnE425tmC by deVoid@mugicha.club
2023-11-16T18:00:35.591371Z
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Like bad matchups are always going to exist in games with a character pool, but OW felt like it was trying to do MOBA style balance in a game without MOBA itemization.
(DIR) Post #Abs7ECJ5FQqxvykhI8 by deVoid@mugicha.club
2023-11-16T18:05:55.371202Z
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I remember the map design being fucking terrible too. >shield sized choke point >”don’t worry there are flank routes>2 other shield sized chokes within walking distance of the main one
(DIR) Post #Abs7YWAp5qupLEZtLc by deVoid@mugicha.club
2023-11-16T18:09:35.377874Z
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Nightmares of pre-rework Mercy…
(DIR) Post #Abs8A6rxcdrnrkgF4S by supersid333@gearlandia.haus
2023-11-16T18:16:23.393945Z
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@deVoid @Dicer @merchantHelios I think the only MOBA I actually play these days (I don't count DOTA 2 Custom games because the only ones I play are dumb cringe no one takes seriously) is Eternal Return, and even then that game is more Battle Royale with MOBA control scheme then it is a proper MOBA.I played League of Legends back in the day but as much as I like occasionally still watching videos of it, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth since I watched the game I love slowly slide down the hill as champions like Yasuo and Kalista opened the floodgates to absurd levels of mobility and complexity creep. I will never forgive CertainlyT for what he did to League, even to this day.
(DIR) Post #Abs8uV7fmTIuPK9Oqm by SNEK@gearlandia.haus
2023-11-16T18:24:45.912312Z
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@supersid333 @deVoid @Dicer @merchantHelios HE PLAYS ASSFAGGOTS
(DIR) Post #Abs8xNcK8vaPzvrOL2 by supersid333@gearlandia.haus
2023-11-16T18:25:17.538855Z
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@SNEK @Dicer @deVoid @merchantHelios ?
(DIR) Post #Abs91hnb37qPkVCB7I by SNEK@gearlandia.haus
2023-11-16T18:26:04.292266Z
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@supersid333 @Dicer @deVoid @merchantHelios Aeon of Strife Styled Fortress Assault Game Going On Two Sides
(DIR) Post #Abs94ARZWI8XAV4FWq by supersid333@gearlandia.haus
2023-11-16T18:26:30.974806Z
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@SNEK @Dicer @deVoid @merchantHelios Alright, thats a good joke
(DIR) Post #AbsBrVffaM5p6NJl3o by merchantHelios@poa.st
2023-11-16T18:57:49.585336Z
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@deVoid @transgrammaractivist @Dicer man i preordered overwatch, that game was SUPER fun and decently balanced for about the first 6 months. past that not worth playing
(DIR) Post #AbsBw2CeZeqd9ku3LU by professionalbigot69@poa.st
2023-11-16T18:58:40.113287Z
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@merchantHeliosmember uncapped heros?@deVoid@transgrammaractivist@Dicer
(DIR) Post #AbsCebIXSAHWk7uGcS by deVoid@mugicha.club
2023-11-16T19:06:43.230732Z
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Same
(DIR) Post #AbsS7GzXWu6VTS9N4K by hazlin@nicecrew.digital
2023-11-16T21:59:58.623691Z
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@merchantHelios It kind of feels like, team games have universally gotten worse... because the people you play with are worse.When I started playing HoN and Dota2, you could play and experiment and have fun. But, by the time I stopped playing, people would report and flame you if you weren't following the exact meta for what ever character you were playing.
(DIR) Post #AbsTrgXGzPaVyMciG0 by merchantHelios@poa.st
2023-11-16T22:19:34.296206Z
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@hazlin and they'd be right to - when the meta is uncertain experimentation is fine. when the literal most optimal build paths are all known, and a simple google search away, you ARE actively wasting other people's time for not following it
(DIR) Post #AbsU94CIGlKqHT6BDk by hazlin@nicecrew.digital
2023-11-16T22:22:42.765368Z
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@merchantHelios oof, big cup stacking energy here. The second it is about grinding out a fixed pattern, it is no longer a game
(DIR) Post #AbsVUNvwBZnZWjB3wm by DrRyanSkelton@mugicha.club
2023-11-16T22:37:46.120428Z
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@hazlin @merchantHelios turning a Warcraft 3 custom map mod into a commercial product for high end competitive play leads to some malformed and ugly game design at high levels of play? Noooo... it can't be... next you'll tell me that 7 day roguelike game jam meme you dashed out real quick stops being fun the second you try to tune it harder than 90% win rate...