Post AbqlaAQSWusQJzJSgC by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
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(DIR) Post #Abkuxnp7PKDoNTpgCO by brewsterkahle@mastodon.archive.org
2023-11-13T06:44:23Z
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@tomjennings :Fidonet was mentioned in one of the speeches at Vint Cerf's 80th bday party at the Computer History Museum. In a way...Fidonet lives!
(DIR) Post #AbkvRpPI5Jvhya4LS4 by cmdrmoto@hachyderm.io
2023-11-13T06:49:56Z
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@brewsterkahle @tomjennings Fidonet still has a glorious future ahead of it - I’m betting civilizational collapse will make store-and-forward messaging relevant again
(DIR) Post #AbmVH1XARno3uTrQRc by tatiana@chitter.xyz
2023-11-14T01:06:03Z
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@brewsterkahle It's still very much alive, isn't it? I used it less than a year ago, via a SSH-based BBS.
(DIR) Post #AbmaEoQahiKYSCY84u by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2023-11-14T02:02:40Z
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@brewsterkahleWow cool!I doubt FidoNet will return, and it shouldn't. We could do so much more with so much less now. FidoNet was a layer on top of dialup POTS, it had no other connection later. It was connection based, not packet based. I am shocked and honestly dismayed how scarce direct phone to phone communication tools are. BT and/or wifi for neighbor discovery, clustered chaotic routing, store and forward of encrypted bundles, totally doable. THAT would work without poles or towers. And it would be a great medium for social games and events. Not my world though.
(DIR) Post #AbmcGqkHG51I83rBcO by cyberlyra@hachyderm.io
2023-11-14T02:25:25Z
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@tomjennings @brewsterkahle @evan Mesh networking FTW!!!
(DIR) Post #Abml0Cbbd3E0ajwBxA by pzriddle@mstdn.io
2023-11-13T09:00:18Z
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@cmdrmoto @brewsterkahle @tomjennings Fidonet would be useful in Gaza right now.In fact I’ve seen reports of Bluetooth-only messaging apps in use during state disruption of communications in Hong Kong and Gaza. Are they store-and-forward?
(DIR) Post #Abml0Du4nrascJaSNk by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2023-11-14T04:03:11Z
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@pzriddle> Bluetooth only messaging apps. Do you know the names of any?
(DIR) Post #AbmlLPOzFNTsMP9BLs by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2023-11-14T04:07:07Z
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@cyberlyraPalm Pilots had a crude IR one, but it was interesting. I took part in an open public game with mine.Though laughable tiny things now, they had some promising if-only features I wish we had. Like they direct handheld to handheld ability. @brewsterkahle @evan
(DIR) Post #AbmxE6GPCgu0QVPlku by brewsterkahle@mastodon.archive.org
2023-11-14T06:20:11Z
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@tomjennings @cyberlyra @evan Indeed peer-to-peer... networking (mesh) backend for the web (dweb) file system (bittorrent) article and book chapters (interlibrary loan) what is worthwhile in life (friends)all legal, all doable.what are we waiting for?
(DIR) Post #AbmyaIPmo22SRDwy5w by photon@eldritch.cafe
2023-11-14T06:35:26Z
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@tomjennings @pzriddleMy first thought was "Briar" but it supports WiFi, not only Bluetooth.
(DIR) Post #AbnSmXVLWfb3L0Iy48 by cyberlyra@hachyderm.io
2023-11-14T12:13:49Z
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@tomjennings @brewsterkahle @evan I loved my palm pilot.
(DIR) Post #AbnmNHMCQIXb6JG70q by jeroen@secluded.ch
2023-11-14T15:52:47Z
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@brewsterkahle @tomjennings @cyberlyra @evan one is waiting for the world to run on normal directly paid money instead of data and ads.... only way to make really big money is to sucker people...
(DIR) Post #AboMfzup5iq6rIg9Xl by evan@cosocial.ca
2023-11-14T22:39:08Z
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@brewsterkahle @tomjennings @cyberlyra I know this is kind of a rhetorical question, but: when designing the social web, we stopped at the federated model (many servers, no gatekeeping to join the network, clients access own server) typical of email and other Internet protocols.I understand the attraction of shifting down another level, connecting clients peer-to-peer, but it is a seriously hairy technical challenge without visible benefit to users.
(DIR) Post #Abqla9XrntCxaflraS by steveediger@social.coop
2023-11-15T15:22:41Z
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@evan @brewsterkahle @tomjennings @cyberlyra Given the current state of societal technology intelligence and tool sets, I believe that the federated at server model works best for now. When the tools are more developed and society is technologically smarter, it may be possible to get to a true p2p state. Many folks still can't even negotiate formatting documents correctly or manage their own filing system. We are the privileged here and continually need to keep general society in mind.
(DIR) Post #AbqlaAQSWusQJzJSgC by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2023-11-16T02:28:34Z
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@steveediger @evan @brewsterkahle @cyberlyra I wasimplying anything about widespread adoption, only about the tool itself. I was mainly surprised that they don't seem to exist at all; and the few discussions I do stumble on all talk about "peer mesh networks", which also make assumptions about mass adoption and requirements. I'm not an industrialist; I wasn't thinking about competition with anything.Really, there's just no phone-to-phone, peer-to-peer, tools at all. I find that wierd.And I don't have any particular need for it; and I'm not thinking in terms of preppers, etc. We have a billion phones and each one always goes through some paid heirarchy to talk to a peer. It's just weird to me.
(DIR) Post #AbqlxTrMRPzPFs0qjA by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2023-11-16T02:32:50Z
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@evan @brewsterkahle @cyberlyra quote understand the attraction of shifting down another level, connecting clients peer-to-peer, but it is a seriously hairy technical challenge without visible benefit to users./quoteSee other reply, but I was talking only about the tool, not a corporately deployed syste, to somehow complete in social media space. I don't see it as technically hairy at all (though I know little about phone radio APIs). Ham radio's done half of this for decades.And no tool needs solve all problems; limitations are inherent in everything.
(DIR) Post #AbqmhHmFhBNh6RSs3U by evan@cosocial.ca
2023-11-16T02:40:34Z
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@tomjennings @brewsterkahle @cyberlyra I'm specifically talking about peer-to-peer social networking.