Post AbjOS9wfWCyzpHPsjQ by ikkeT@mementomori.social
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(DIR) Post #AbjMSN5qR0yKhBgKye by rolle@mementomori.social
2023-11-12T12:20:22Z
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I’m going to say this again: I really like @mammoth’s recommendation feed ”For you” and its smart and healthy recommendations algorithm that brings up things I like to see without any monetary gain. Not all algorithms are evil, they help the user at best, when they are opt-in.I have discovered a lot of new follows and it really makes a change in my way of using the Fediverse. We should really consider something like this as a standard, opt-in, as a choice. It kinda already is because we have Mammoth, but only for limited scope of users (iPhone only).Good job, Team Mammoth!#Mammoth #Mastodon #Algorithm #Algorithms #SocialMedia #Fediverse
(DIR) Post #AbjOS5nevlOoyBAd8K by alasaarela@equel.social
2023-11-12T12:48:40Z
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@rolle I'm glad Mastodon devs are finally waking up to the fact that algorithmic feeds always win. The transparency of the logic is important!
(DIR) Post #AbjOS7qvIbCNKsiGUy by rolle@mementomori.social
2023-11-12T12:50:16Z
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@alasaarela I wouldn’t say Mastodon devs, but Mastodon app devs. But I feel like the change is coming sooner or later. A choice and transparency hand in hand makes good things happen.
(DIR) Post #AbjOS9wfWCyzpHPsjQ by ikkeT@mementomori.social
2023-11-12T12:54:26Z
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@rolle @alasaarela i wish this would be picked up to @megalodon too. In purrfect world one could select the favourite algorithm.
(DIR) Post #AbjOSB6zBKpVRZFdS4 by heluecht@pirati.ca
2023-11-12T13:05:58Z
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@ikkeT @alasaarela @megalodon @rolle with Friendica you can. We will introduce channels in the next version that will act more or less than the feeds from Bluesky.
(DIR) Post #AbjT09FH1ixRJla6To by alasaarela@equel.social
2023-11-12T13:54:28Z
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@heluecht That's the right thing to do!
(DIR) Post #AbjT0A6nohm9zmcqum by heluecht@pirati.ca
2023-11-12T13:57:12Z
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We have got some predefined channels, but users can define their own as well. It will hopefully improve over time, but I guess that the basis is extendable.
(DIR) Post #AbmkDdrnU45ox1M6eu by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-11-14T03:54:25Z
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@tchambers @bart @rolle @mammoth I don't get it. If I want others to decide what I see, I follow them and see their boosts. if somebody I follow makes a list I'm interested in, I'll check it out. Why would I want anyone else to have any more control over what I see than that? Just follow more people. The danger I see here is lots of people letting a few decide what they see. Then that influences others. Collectively, that could become a few people or companies deciding what most see.
(DIR) Post #AbmkZinXpV7wcGtXay by bart@moth.social
2023-11-14T03:58:25Z
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@wjmaggos @tchambers @rolle @mammoth sure. But we’re trying to solve the onboarding problem. Ten of millions of people have tried out mastodon, but >90% couldn’t crack it: just too hard to find interesting people and conversations. Our lists give people a starting point. They show up in full firehose glory top of the screen, but in for you we add an engagement threshold
(DIR) Post #AbmlJzgJOF3EIeZm8e by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-11-14T04:06:49Z
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@bart @tchambers @rolle @mammoth ok I guess. so we try to ween them off it after they've been here a while, and eliminate them altogether once we're more popular and there's more people they'd like to follow? what I fear is the incentive to keep people using them and even throwing in ads. control over other's attention is power.
(DIR) Post #Abmne5XhVYacB5G34C by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-11-14T04:32:52Z
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@bart @tchambers @rolleisn't @mammoth just gonna replace the lock in of platforms to our following/followers, with the lock in of access to your algorithms? I want people to learn to trust themselves, cause doing that collectively is what makes this place revolutionary.decentralized media + boosts = attention democracy
(DIR) Post #AbnW8GxK2BS2FJRfE0 by kev@mcr.wtf
2023-11-14T08:16:32Z
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@bart @wjmaggos @tchambers @rolle @mammoth I worry I'm wondering into a trap here but does it matter if 90% don't get Mastodon? Why can't we build a nice community for the 10% who do? Is it possible that the speed bump on entry is what makes this a nicer place to be?
(DIR) Post #AbnW8I7dhJIXrbHPwe by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-11-14T12:51:18Z
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@kev @bart @tchambers @rolle @mammoth I want everyone here. The grand potential here comes in the collective, not individual use.https://liberal.city/@wjmaggos/110072888719825265
(DIR) Post #Abo7BRrTdkDbF55ZA0 by tothedaring@kolektiva.social
2023-11-14T19:42:31Z
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@bart @wjmaggos @tchambers @rolle @mammothone thing that made twitter so successful was the idea that you could just hack it to make it work the way you needed it to and the dev & design team would adopt the user-created features along the way. when we wanted to comment on something someone tweeted, we just put the commentary before “RT”. even hashtags were born from a user solving a problem themselves and then a twitter dev adding a few lines of code to make it permanent. so the way i see it, the “onboarding problem” can be solved by guiding users through the existing environment—the currently-imperfect-yet steered-by-users one, instead of the idealized, white paper version—and not forcing an experience upon the user. this means embracing the ‘bird.makeup’ bots through features like pointing out that one can still get the latest updates from the X accounts they need to follow with these bots and perhaps mastodon can send the X user an update every time another user follows to encourage them to make the leap. this means talking to the organizers & journalists using the platform about what would make publishing news better and showing new users the #mosstdon ’s / #fungifriday ‘s of this space—allowing them to dream about what’s possible and comprehend how vibrant it is here. it means zooming out and watching how we all use this and how you as the developer can help us do that better.i think it comes down to paradigms of computing—is this an extension to the “bicycle for our minds” or is it a treadmill in a maze of strangers? the platforms that have survived over the last two decades did so because of the people and the culture those people cultivated, not because of software features. the apps that were coercive or prescriptive about how a user should use the app were niche and cutesy and maybe had their fleeting moment of fame, but inevitably died. software should be seen as gardening hand tools over landscape equipment, imo—it should facilitate and amplify our ability to nurture and create; not carve rigid paths and engineer manicured, homogenous experiences.
(DIR) Post #AboD42BZItBtJ8KmhM by tothedaring@kolektiva.social
2023-11-14T19:48:50Z
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@bart @wjmaggos @tchambers @rolle @mammoth i think people will *say* they need certain features from a platform or thing like “mastodon is just too confusing and bluesky isn’t” but what they mean yet can’t articulate is that they want easy access to culture and their friends. if bluesky is any example, people are willing to sacrifice features for friends (and i can’t blame them). mastodon has features ppl on bluesky and X are itching for but they won’t budge because their favorite podcast hosts aren’t here and their friends are over there.
(DIR) Post #AboDIUyT44h2eG6UJU by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-11-14T20:55:00Z
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@tothedaring @bart @tchambers @rolle @mammoth Twitter and the web were not easy, but eventually there were enough reasons to figure it out.